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Messianic Judaism

Does Yeshua = Imanu-El ?

The whole point why Messiah first came was to deal with sin, and those who believe in Him will be justified by their faith, Jew or Gentile." where do you find support for this notion in the tanach?  (Mar 10, 2010 | post #75)

Messianic Judaism

Does Yeshua = Imanu-El ?

tell me bruce, what, if anything, in your belief system/theology differentiates you from mainstream christianity?  (Mar 7, 2010 | post #64)

Messianic Judaism

Does Yeshua = Imanu-El ?

there are numerous Divine/supernatura l attributes that The Tanakh Tells us that HaMoshiach would have. Again I point to Mal’akhi 3:1-4. If HaMoshiach would be a mortal human being, then this would plainly contradict The Torah which Tells us that the Kohanim (Priests) were the Highest mortals next to HaSHem whom would be allowed to function as priests. Yet since we know that HaMochiach is from The Tribe of Y’hudah, and it is evident from this passage that the Priesthood of HaMoshiach is Greater than that of the Kohanim, (since they require accepting Him for their offerings to be accepted by HaSHEM), then it follows that HaMohsiach is a Divine Being." do you know you are making absolutely no sense at all? where does scripture tell us Kohanim were the Highest mortals? mal. 3:1 says G-d will send His angel. where does it say 'hamashiach' here? this is all a twisting of our jewish scripture to support christian theology, which it doesn't.  (Mar 7, 2010 | post #63)

Messianic Judaism

Does Yeshua = Imanu-El ?

According to The NT, those Jews who don't acknowledge that yeshu`a is HaMoshiach are not adhering to G-d's Judaism. Furthermore, this is in total harmony with The Tanakh, namely Deut. 18:15-19. And YOU claim I misquote and twist Scripture" bruce, puleeeeeeese. this must be one of the most misused verses in the jewish scriptures. christians claim it is about jesus, muslims claim it is about muhammed. what JEWS say is that it is referring to all the prophets that come after moses. and pray tell, where does it say in jewish scripture that 'those jews who don't acknowledge that yeshu`a is HaMoshiach are not adhering to G-d's Judaism.'? the messiah is never even called 'hamashiach' in the jewish scriptures. and why would we care what the GT has to say?  (Mar 7, 2010 | post #61)

Judaism

New Messianic Judaism congregation meets in Euless

the jewish scriptures tell us "yes we can!". we can keep the law read deut. 30. verse 14 says "but the word is near to you, in your mouth and in your heart, THAT YOU MAY DO IT". show me anywhere in jewish scripture where G-d tells us we can't keep His law. we sin, but we are not sinners. we sin, then repent and return to G-d-that's judaism. we are sinners-that's christianity. what a difference. if we are all sinners, as you claim, how did G-d proclaim so many people righteous in the bible? avraham, calev, asa, josiah and hezekiah, for example.  (Mar 7, 2010 | post #270)

Judaism

New Messianic Judaism congregation meets in Euless

no problem. nice to meet you! and welcome home! how's the weather down there in georgia? all the best, aviva  (Feb 28, 2010 | post #203)

Judaism

New Messianic Judaism congregation meets in Euless

i think ex-mess is referring to romans 11:26,27: "and so all Israel shall be saved, even as it is written, 'there shall come out of zion the Deliverer. HE SHALL TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB'. for this is my covenant unto them, WHEN I SHALL TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS." contrast this with isaiah 59:20,21: "and the redeemer shall come to zion and UNTO THEM THAT TURN FROM TRANSGRESSION IN JACOB, saith the Lord. as for Me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord, My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in they mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, not out of the mouth of they seed , nor out of themouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever." i heard an ex-missionary who has converted to judaism and now learns in yeshiva, quote this verse, among others, when he said that when he learned hebrew and actually read the jewish scriptures he realized that he had been taught,and in turn taught to others, lies. notice that the message of romans 11:26 is very different from that of isaiah 59:20. also notice that romans 11:27 contains a phrase, purportedly from the jewish scriptures, which simply doesn't exist in the jewish scriptures. what say you, bruce?  (Feb 28, 2010 | post #199)

Messianic Judaism

Does Yeshua = Imanu-El ?

i will not knock myself out. i'll just give a few examples. if you know greek and work from the most original source they have, fine by me. i don't know greek, but i do know hebrew. i have an NIV GT. so tell me if these translations are inaccurate. matthew 2:15 quotes hosea 11:1. but look at the difference between the two: m. 2:15 "and was there until the death of herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying. 'out of egypt have i called my son' ". the writer of matthew want us to understand that the prophet hosea was referring to jesus (my son). only problem is, the writer of matthew cut off the first half of the verse because that's the only way an uneducated reader would be able to understand that this verse is speaking about jesus. hosea 11:1 "when Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of egypt" hosea is recounting how G-d called His chosen people out of egypt. if you continue reading ch. 11, you will find out that Israel (the son) sinned by worshipping baal. so if the son in verse one is jesus (not Israel, as clearly stated in the text), then jesus sinned by worshipping baal. we do not accept a document which rips half a verse out of the text and uses that to prove a foreign theology.  (Feb 28, 2010 | post #51)

Messianic Judaism

Does Yeshua = Imanu-El ?

to reiterate what i posted to you (i'm assuming you are the same bruce) over on the 'messianic congregation in euless' thread, the GT, if you read the clear, simple reading of the text, quotes from the jewish scriptures in many places, taking verses out of context, quoting incorrectly and MISQUOTING the clear, simple text. if you want some specific examples, tell me. i'll provide them and you can see for yourself.  (Feb 27, 2010 | post #45)

Judaism

New Messianic Judaism congregation meets in Euless

1) you are correct that the GT itself never actually says that people should WORSHIP jesus, altho that is what all mainstream christians do. 2) you are INCORRECT in claiming that the christian bible is in total accordance with SCRIPTURAL Judaism. if you read the GT carefully, you will find many places where it quotes the jewish scriptures out of context, incorrectly and even clearly MISQUOTES the clear text.  (Feb 27, 2010 | post #193)

Messianic Judaism

Does Yeshua = Imanu-El ?

it is not relevant to jews what is written in the christian bible.  (Feb 27, 2010 | post #43)

Messianic Judaism

Does Yeshua = Imanu-El ?

ummmm, try Isaiah 7:14. :)  (Feb 27, 2010 | post #42)

Judaism

New Messianic Judaism congregation meets in Euless

anyone who worships jesus as G-d and claims that what they believe is in accordance with the jewish scriptures is being deceitful or just exposing their horrible ignorance. if you want to worship jesus, then come out and say the truth...what you do is practicing christianity. that's anyone's choice. but to deceive in order to get someone who is ignorant to worship as a christian while telling them they are practicing judaism is despicable  (Feb 24, 2010 | post #151)

Jews for Jesus

Jews for Jesus Hit Town and Find a Tough Crowd

if you ARE jewish (born from a jewish mother or had a conversion according to halachah), then you will BE jewish. however, if you believe that jesus was/is the messiah as well as G-d incarnate, what you BELIEVE will not be jewish, no matter how many feasts and traditions you keep. does this clear things up for you? aviva  (Feb 1, 2009 | post #1384)

Messianic Judaism

New Messianic Judaism congregation meets in Euless

chris, you don’t seem to understand that one doesn’t become an observant jew just by putting a keepa on one’s head, or by eating an empire chicken instead of a purdue. There are two components to the covenant that G-d made with the jewish nation: 1)we must love G-d and 2) we must keep His commandments.(deut . 7:6-9,12; deut 30:15-20; deut 10:12-13) Loving G-d means not accepting any false gods in His place. How do we know which are false gods? G-d tells us not to worship any god that our fathers did not know. (deut. 13:1-12; deut. 32:7-9,17). Our fathers did not worship jesus. According the the description of him he was born on dec. 25, died and rose again to save mankind, you must consume his flesh and blood to partake of his salvation…all these are descriptions of pagan gods that were abundantly worshipped at that period of time, for example, mithra. Google ‘mithra’ and read what it says about him. Just jesus with anther name. this is forbidden for jews. And how exactly do these ‘messianic jews’ keep kosher? According to which laws? You cannot keep the laws of kashrut nor any of the commandments without accepting the Oral Law. And, as Christians by another name, messianic jews reject the oral law. So you are incorrect when you claim that they are ‘just as observant as Orthodox Jews’. Orthodox jews live by the oral law. Messianic jews, as Christians, reject it. As far as the days of Paul, it may be that there were observant jews, who accepted the torah and the oral law who also believed that jesus was the messiah. However, they did not believe that jesus was G-d, nor did paul ( I Corinth. 11:3; I timothy 2:5 for example). Believing in a false messiah is, according to jewish theology, a mistake, but not blasphemy since the messish is not G-d. only according to Christian/pagan theology, which claims that a man can be G-d, would believing in a false messiah be blasphemy. There have been many false messiahs down thru history. We know they were false because they are dead and the messianic age has not yet arrived. Ipso facto, they were not him. Eating a kosher chicken is not the be-all and end-all of Judaism. We have to observe BOTH parts of the covenant or we are not fulfilling G-d’s will.  (Dec 2, 2008 | post #94)

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