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Evolution vs. Creation

Well, if the afterlife is merely a dream state, what's so attractive about that? That significantly diminishes the sales pitch. Better not tell any of the faithful.  (Dec 25, 2012 | post #67551)

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Hey Charles, I appreciate where your sarcasm is coming from -- after getting lots from the other direction, and you are also following in the footsteps of the guy who originally used that term as a sarcasm, the great astronomer, Fred Hoyle. But seriously, and sarcasm aside, the scientists who came to the understanding that the universe which we know, seems to have exploded out of one very small area or even a point, came to that conclusion rather reluctantly. If you appreciate how the evidence they found merely led them to that description, you would realize that calling it a "lame excuse" is quite unfair. I am sure you realize that "big bang" was only a summary of the observations of the evidence that they were able to gather, and not any wicked pre-calculated plan to fool the whole population of the earth with lies. Accordingly you might consider retracting the "lame excuse" epithet. Now, any further interpretation of that evidence, as to the philosophical implications of that process, is really outside science for now. So long as science cannot reliably penetrate further than the veil of the big bang, all speculations are still open. Your beef is with those who want to use evidence of the big bang merely to defeat the concept of a loving God behind it all. It is not with the basic science that merely describes what it sees. Moreover, the big bang evidence, for the moment, more like supports a single "creator " viewpoint than refutes it, so while philosophising about about the big bang, if I were you, I'd sooner embrace it rather than scorn it. Myself I merely don't know what to make of it, but I would hesitate to deny any preliminary conclusion that you might make of it. Fair enough?  (Dec 25, 2012 | post #67487)

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How about Earth is the only thing that has no beginning or end. Then it creates God. Does it in 6 femtoseconds, and doesn't even have to take a breather after that. ...which is way mother earth is more powerful than the Jew God.  (Dec 25, 2012 | post #67435)

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In some algebras only some or maybe none of the operators shown may be defined as associative or commutative. Check which algebra your are using first for those qualities of + and = and the implicit times operator. In Python 2x is already a syntax error, but then so is 3x since times is not implicit. Of course both equations do give the same answer in that case: "syntax error", so you would be correct there.  (Dec 25, 2012 | post #67434)

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don't belong to the same cliche -- now that's more than a typo -- it's an honest to bejesus Freudian slip! OK, s/cliché/clique -- see, it shows how badly you need to learn how to express yourself properly in French. Then you might even make sense. What's even more amazing, the little Python script that I wrote, not only shows that you belong to the same clique as KittenKoder, you both in fact belong to the "maximal clique" of this thread. So you are triple wrong. Inning over. A knock out! (You can look up "maximal clique" in math and social science if you like.) Hey, Charles, above is all true but I am just funnin' ya a bit. Still wish you a Merry Christmas.  (Dec 25, 2012 | post #67431)

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Sacre bleu, toi, t'espece de merde, je te fais l'honneur de te parler dans ta langue maternelle et tu deviens arrogant. Si les gens d'ici parlaient français, ils ne se comprennent pas toujours si mal. Une fois que le reste du Canada s'en rend finalement compte ils vont abandonner leur bâtarde dialecte.  (Dec 24, 2012 | post #67430)

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All my postings here are going to appear as a new book in the Bible. Then you have to believe them. Sorry, the council didn't include yours... too many unsubstantiated assertions.  (Dec 24, 2012 | post #67421)

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Given all the sub cults within the two, it matters to me more which sub-cult prevails than which general framework prevails. Actually, Islam is itself a sub-cult of Christianity. Now isn't that scary!  (Dec 24, 2012 | post #67417)

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A prophet are you? One who doesn't care very much about others, eh? Doesn't sound very Christian. Merry Christmas!  (Dec 24, 2012 | post #67415)

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I doubt you even understand what faith is, so you might reflect on it a bit more before you go throwing it around as the ultimate qualifier.  (Dec 24, 2012 | post #67414)

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Despite those handicaps, he looks to have been a better man than those of the establishment of his time. Sometimes it takes a crazy to bring us to our senses. First reading through the old testament, I am grateful for the change of tone in the New. Thank God, or man or schizophrenia, or what ever it took. Even so, it took a few thousand years for the egalitarian parts of his instinctive viewpoint to actually see some practice. Not that he was the only one in history to have good ideas, but it seems his passion lingers and persists more than most.  (Dec 24, 2012 | post #67411)

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Historically it was the believers who seemed to have a harder time forgiving that the non-believers did -- despite all Jesus' teaching to the contrary. Even now I get the feeling that the born again types are particularly unforgiving. Muslims seem to be more fervent believers than Christians do, and seems to me that a large fraction of them would kill you for just a word of disparagement of their prophet. This believing business, in general, looks to be very unforgiving, as far as anyone can tell from the outside.  (Dec 24, 2012 | post #67409)

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Are you saying that each of the couples went on to establish incestuous tribes?  (Dec 24, 2012 | post #67404)

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Speak for yourself, but no need to project agendas on others unless you ask them what their agenda is. Remember also, that different individuals may vary. You might explain what it mean to worship. I was always a bit confused on the concept. I think there is a lot of ambiguity in the idea at the very minimum. The idea that you know what he expects of you... where did that come from? Did someone tell you... being someone who was closer to God than you are? How did you know he was? Which of the things you believe about God, his son, the flood or which ever are conclusions from other ideas that you established first? And which of them are independent assumptions or postulates in your system of reasoning?  (Dec 24, 2012 | post #67403)

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The facts of love for others speaks for itself. Either the God guy built it into us or we just evolved it. But no knowledge of God is necessary.  (Dec 24, 2012 | post #67372)