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I would appreciate it you refrain from further comments. Call me at once! (Monday Nov 30 | post #87)
It isnt because the Holy Spirit doesnt indwell the believer, if that is where you are headed Shawn. As I said, this opens the door for more threads which we will discuss at a later date. You seem to be changing your mind a bit so lets ask you once more. Does the Holy Spirit personally indwell every believer? You stated yes last time, but since Johnnies comments you have changed your wording a great deal. hhhhhhmmmmmmmmm (Nov 17, 2009 | post #9)
Does every doctrinal error lead to condemnation?
Does every doctrinal error lead to condemnation, since that would mean perfection is required in order to be saved? Which doctrinal errors would cost a person his salvation "even if the Christian commits the error after prayerful study of God’s word, honestly believing that he is acting in accordance with God’s will." Johnnie, since Shawn CANT answer, you care to give it a shot? (Nov 16, 2009 | post #9)
Do you use mechanical instruments of music in worship?”
You totally ignored the facts here: "Does the use of music replace singing or aid singing? "Come on stage and sing us a song Shawn" If you played a piano you still would be singing. A first grader knows this. Have you ever attended a school singing where the kids sing various songs? They dont call it singing and playing. Youre invited to hear the kids sing, but we know that music may or may not aid their singing. We know when we hear them sing that music may or may not aid their singing. I once held your view but its far too weak. Must we state "singing and playing" will be performed tonight by Tina Turner or can we simply say Tina Turner will be singing tonight and we infer that she has a band? Come on....a small child knows this. Dont believe me, test a kid on this and see and then test some adults who have not been brainwashed by you guys and they all know that music can accompany singing when the word sing is only stated. You know this too you are just too hard-headed to admit when you are wrong" (Nov 16, 2009 | post #19)
Do you use mechanical instruments of music in worship?”
No the use does not replace sing, no more than using other aids with singing. In other countries rice cakes have been used by Church the of Christ and wine and other juices. Is this sin? (Nov 16, 2009 | post #18)
This opens the door for more threads... ;) But to answer your question, I do not have such power. (Nov 16, 2009 | post #6)
Do you use mechanical instruments of music in worship?”
A fictional episode of one of the local CofC programs. Also a primer on one way to approach their arguments condemning the use of musical instruments in worship. Fictional CofC TV host: “Do you use mechanical instruments of music in worship?” Fictional CofC TV caller: “Yes.” CofC host: “By what authority do you play musical instruments in worship?” CofC caller: “Well, Psalms 150 says…” CofC host: “Woah, woah, woah. Which covenant are you under…the Old or the New?” CofC caller: “What? Well, I guess the New…” CofC host: “You guess. Hmm. Do you practice everything in the OT or pick what you like? Do you sacrifice animals?” CofC caller: “Well, no of course not. But in the New Testament it says that you should worship with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs…” CofC host: “Okay, but by what authority can you play musical instruments, when it only says to sing?” CofC caller: “Well, where does it say we can’t use instruments?” CofC host: “Exactly! The New Testament is silent on the subject. And so how can we presume to say that God gave us permission?” CofC caller: “Now wait a minute. The Bible is silent on lots of issues dealing with worship. By what authority do you have song leaders, song books, pitch pipes, PowerPoint, PA systems, and so on?” CofC host: “Well, now… um… those are worship aids.“ CofC caller: “And where do you find the authority to use these aids?” CofC host: “Let me ask you a question. Do song books, PA’s and things replace or change the command ’sing’?” CofC guest: “Well, let me ask you a question. Does the use of musical instruments replace or change the command ’sing’?” CofC host: [uncomfortable pause] “Er… do you know that the Baptist denomination is not found anywhere in the New Testament?” (Nov 16, 2009 | post #16)
Shawn, you cant make up your mind. Ok, back to the two brethren who disagreed over this doctrine you are sea-sawing on. Which brother was teaching TRUTH in the debate? One is wrong Shawn as evidenced by a debate even occurring. The propositions were opposing. They ended up agreeing to disagree, which is unity in diversity. You took both mens side, thus agreeing to disagree. hhhhhmmmmmmm (Nov 16, 2009 | post #81)
Notice that the pronouns in verse 17 and 18 point back to verse 16 i.e., those who believe and are baptized. The "they" in verses 17&18 are the same people in verse 16. Looks like your verse is proving more than you teach... (Nov 16, 2009 | post #4)
Strange you cite verse 17 above but leave it out. hhhhhmmmmm Maybe you should include verse 18 as well. Oh thats right you guys separate 17 and 18 and apply to the Apostles only. Do you believe as verse 16 states? Then wonder what verse 17 says about those who believe? 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Nov 16, 2009 | post #3)
Johnny and Heath are not real Christians
Boy, Johnnie what a twist. It is you always insisting we prove something. You cant handle the truth, JR. Go sign up Grace Conversation and see how ell you fair there. It wont happen because the best you have is here. lol Keep trying JR (Nov 16, 2009 | post #6)
Johnny Robertson and What Does the Bible Say?
Sorry, but you have it all backwards, it is you guys running into Churches looking for specs. We are just letting you taste your own medicine and you hate the taste. Since you think this is so easy maybe you and John Boy should man-up and sign over at Grace Conversation seeing three conservatives have quit already. Show us all here that you guys can handle the arguments there...pretty please. Folks they wont dare sign up there. Shawn ducked in once and then ran out with his tail between his legs. These men are all talk. They are willing to talk here, so wonder why they are afraid to go there and sign up. hhhhhmmmmmmmmm (Nov 16, 2009 | post #828)
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