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Pagan/Wiccan

Anybody home?

yup, that's why I fold up camp and left a few years back. I kind of anticipated some action would continue. Oh well. C'est la vie. Good to see you, anyway.  (Jul 27, 2012 | post #3)

Pagan/Wiccan

Anybody home?

Looks like this site fizzled and died since I was here last. Is anybody still hanging around here? Aremis  (Jul 27, 2012 | post #1)

Pagan/Wiccan

An OOPS moment

Oh, and training from the Pagan or Wiccan point of view takes hard work, dedication, and some very difficult soul searching. I wouldn't go about 'training' someone in 'Wicca' if you don't know anything about it.  (Jul 27, 2012 | post #5)

Pagan/Wiccan

An OOPS moment

Is there a ceremonial magic, paranormal activity, or New Age forum? Paganism and Wicca are very much religions (well paganism is a set of religions) and mysterious languages and powers out of control, while not totally out of the question, are usually discussed in the context of a polytheistic mystery tradition, not as standalone events. That's more the purvue of New Age and paranormal groups. That said, if your friend is interested in help from a Pagan or Wiccan perspective, I would suggest finding a Wicca 101 group, a local Druid grove, or a local reconstructionist group (Hellenism, Kemet, etc). Most groups have a good, strong training system that could help with all of this sort of thing. But per the above, expect that it is approached from the standpoint of reverence for the pagan deities and spiritual development of the self within that context.  (Jul 27, 2012 | post #4)

Pagan/Wiccan

Offensive Vs. Individuality

Side note, my sig still says Pacific Grove, CA as that was where I lived last I haunted the Pagan/Wiccan Topix forums, but I'm actually in Madison, WI. I'll have to fix that.  (Jul 26, 2012 | post #11)

Pagan/Wiccan

Offensive Vs. Individuality

Eworannod, I appreciate your sentiment, but while the US is a LOT more comfortable as a society with paganism than it was even 16 years ago when I first started on the pagan path, there is still a lot of unjustified horror and revision out there. I wear my pentacle in public often and while it usually goes unnoticed and sometimes even gets compliments, occasionally I am questioned rather accusingly or condemned. In rare occasions (twice thus far) I have been denied service. I'm proud of my beliefs and don't venture to hide it. But it has very real, practical implications I can't simply ignore because it shouldn't be that way. It shouldn't, but sadly it is.  (Jul 26, 2012 | post #10)

Pagan/Wiccan

Who exactly was Gjoub, and should I trust him?

A Wiccan friend of mine did a good deal of research on several spell caster websites, which I minimally aided in. In addition to being a Wiccan, he is also an old hat in the conspiracy theory world, which boosted his ability to foresee some of the moves the site owners made. As a result of some of his work, several sites were shut down, a few facebook pages were locked down and as best as we could tell a few charges were filed. The one thing he didn't find, however, was a single spellcaster site that proved genuine in the end. One site managed to keep up the legitimacy image for several years before the site owner's girlfriend confirmed it was indeed a hoax when she discovered it had been registered in her name and featured her picture. Needless to say she was no longer with the person who did it, though I don't know what happened from there. As a pagan I do believe in spell work and believe in its efficacy when performed for others under the right circumstances. And while I really want to believe in the legitimacy of these sites and still hold out some hope that a handful might be the real deal, experience has shown that it is almost never the case. If you're really hellbent on getting a spell cast for you, you're better going to a pagan festival or showing up to a reputable occult bookstore/supply shop. There are a few bad eggs there as well, but you stand a lot better chance than on the net.  (Jul 26, 2012 | post #471)

Christian

The death of organized religion. Validation of the god pa...

Yup. Well said. Thanks for the clarification. My apologies for the misunderstanding, and for taking it that wayBoy do I. Though I'd say there's plenty of it on all sides, admittedly among the faithful of many stripes, it seems more prevalent. I think it's more a general lack of rigor out there with regards to debate. I mostly hung around with people with degrees in Philosophy and/or Religious Studies. Three of them are ordained Lutheran clergy now, one studied Vodun (academically), and one liked to refer to himself as a Buddho-Christian Mystic, and a number were atheists. Any one of them could hold up their end of a debate, and I owe a lot to having been humbled repeatedly when I was forced to acknowledge my own methods were flawed. So I know a person with faith can debate on logical grounds if perhaps acknowledging that their own faith may not be defensible as such. What's actually interesting is to see the early church fathers that used rather strong logic (philosophically, not scientifically) to define much of what became Pauline Christianity. Definitions I'm sure most Christians expect always existed. I won't say all came about that way, certainly the idea that women were more prone to evil because they had a larger body percentage made up of water (they don't) and that they were more heavily impacted by the moon (they aren't) didn't fit the bill too wellActually, I really came here for the Higgs discussion. The reason I haven't been on Topix in the past 3 years or so was that the environment in the pagan/wiccan forums was very toxic and I was spending a lot of time and effort in debates that often walked me into making arguments I neither agreed with nor was willing to defend. I wandered the net for a while looking for a forum to see if what I heard about people's theological claims about the "God Particle" was true and decided I was likely to find that sort of opinion here. I wasn't disappointed. But as before I started admittedly playing forum police (If you didn't catch that, it was an admission of guilt :) ) as I sometimes used to do. So while I actually would enjoy a good debate, I'm thinking I've proven to myself and everyone here that it probably isn't good for me. Thanks for the discussion and I'm sorry to have made the accusations I did.  (Jul 20, 2012 | post #100)

Christian

The death of organized religion. Validation of the god pa...

QUOTE who="Punisher "]<quoted text> Atheism is not a belief system like a Religious belief system. It requires none of the "maintenance " that Religious Faith and the System demands. Atheism is basically a one-off. Finally conclude and accept and assimilate that what Religions and their adherents say about their Gods and the World - is a load of unproven BS - and you're done. Not so with Religious Faith - where all sorts of maintenance and "re-certifica tion" is required and demanded. Having to ignore reality all the time is one of the major maintenance processes that comes to mind. Ignoring that there is zero proof and that most of what you believe was made-up out of whole-cloth...[/QU OTE] That's it, context and all. I'm having a hard time understanding this in any other way than you think maintenance costs of religious belief has a bearing on what people choose to believe. I'm happy to be wrong here, but that's my read of it. Also, the ad hominem "well that's just like a believer" isn't particularly effective either. If you can demonstrate how I read your comment wrong I'm happy to hear it. But if your answer is "You're wrong" or "You WOULD say that", it's not really a defense, it's an assertion. I conduct my discussions on the rules of logical debate. If you don't, then I'm not sure how much further we can take this.  (Jul 20, 2012 | post #95)

Christian

The death of organized religion. Validation of the god pa...

Because you seem to be playing the 'I have no idea why Green won't respond to me' card, and I think the answer is pretty clear. I'm more than happy to drop it. Consider it dropped.  (Jul 20, 2012 | post #94)

Christian

The death of organized religion. Validation of the god pa...

Oh, and as to 'why you', I addressed Green already, and contrary to your insistence found a rather reasonable discussion. I didn't single out Green because when debated, Green gave me no reason to. We had a decent back and forth and came to a rather amicable conclusion. I'm not defending Green so much as I'm questioning your assertions that Green is unreasonable. I've not found that to be the case from observation.  (Jul 20, 2012 | post #93)

Christian

The death of organized religion. Validation of the god pa...

I'm not the forum police. I just fail to see how anything you are doing is constructive, effective, or even remotely logical, as you insist you are. I think anyone who has had someone come at their beliefs, or lack thereof, with the approach you take could tell you it isn't effective. If anything it turns them off to you. If you are, as you say, combating evangelism, your method won't work. No one would be swayed by what you've said here or how you've said it. I just figured you might want to know that if that's your goal, you're wasting a lot of time going about it the wrong way. Frankly, if I were Green, I'd ignore you as well. As to my identity, I've made many a post, mostly in the pagan/wiccan forums, and admittedly out of date, but it shouldn't be hard to figure out that I'm not Green, unless you assert that Green has hacked an account, which you're welcome to take up with site admins.  (Jul 20, 2012 | post #89)

Middleton, WI

Election Poll, June 2012 - Middleton, WI

I simply disagree with Mitt Romney on nearly all of the issues.  (Jul 20, 2012 | post #1)

Christian

The death of organized religion. Validation of the god pa...

Really? I found it weak and unconvincing. I don't think the presence or absence of maintenance has anything to do with someone choosing a faith. If that's what you think it's really about, you're sorely mistaken. Let me ask you, what benefit does your life see for all the maintenance cost of trying to convince Christians that you are right? How does it improve your lot in life to make snide comments about them and demean them as though they are idiots. Fine if you feel that way, but why take it to their doorstep? What's in it for you? I'm guessing concern for how much time Green or I spend on religious 'maintenance' has little to do with it. I came here because I feel by having an honest debate I can further my understanding of the world. I came here because I felt some people might be mistaken about the nature of the Higgs and felt it worth my time to clarify. I can't very well tell what you are aiming to do except laugh at the believers.  (Jul 19, 2012 | post #85)

Christian

The death of organized religion. Validation of the god pa...

My apologies. It looks like I missed a tag somewhere. This thing should really come with a debugger.  (Jul 19, 2012 | post #84)

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The divinity of the natural world. Logical, sensible evaluation of one's beliefs from more than just one perspective. The decent and kind treatment of all, including those I disagree with.