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Jackson, TN

God, Who Needs Him? Who Don't? It's Your Choice.

As a null hypothesis on the god question, atheism offers nothing emotionally to a person. As an atheist, I freely acknowledge that is the one weakness of our position. But then, atheism is just one position. It is just one answer to one question. What follows answering that question is up to each individual person. Now, the majority of atheist have chosen to see the universe as it is rather than choosing a comforting path. Most theists always seem to think atheism is intrinsically depressing. Atheists are depressed thinking of living their whole life believing a myth. They are also depressed seeing the many negative effects of blind faith and dogma. How can you bear to live in a universe created by a bullying, jealous, neurotic, vindictive, vengeful, incompetent, prurient, petty-minded tyrant? (Old testament god) Given that this vision of God evidently rules the inside of your head, it's not surprising to me that your projection onto atheists is so ugly. Many people in the world live without a personal god.  (Yesterday | post #6)

Jackson, TN

just a thought

Sorry, but that guy was correct. Human reproduction is a natural event. It has been around longer than your choice of religion. As for your stories, they are just that, stories. No evidence they are even partially true. I have been around death as well, and have seen no difference between a believer and non-believer's passing. You do know that when they body dies it goes through some crazy stuff. The brain freaks out and will release extra adrenaline, or cut off oxygen at the wrong times and the body reacts. We are a very large amount of biochemical reactions. One wrong brain cell misfire and all goes wild. I had an old time friend who had localized brain damage caused by the removal of a tumor. We were out one day when my friend said that he was having a very strong visual hallucination. I asked about it and he said "it is very odd, I am floating above you" and he looked at the ground and waved downward as if waving to me from above. This is very much like what many people who lived through a near death event. "Scintillatin g scotoma" is similar to the "tunnel of light" many NDEs contain as well. And to top it all off: http://www.ncbi.nl m.nih.gov/pubmed/1 6861170  (Yesterday | post #17)

Jackson, TN

Believers-In-God

No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Just before and during the first century, the Jews had prophesied about an upcoming Messiah based on Jewish scripture. Their beliefs influenced many of their followers. We know that powerful beliefs can create self-fulfilling prophesies, and surely this proved just as true in ancient times. It served as a popular dream expressed in Hebrew Scripture for the promise of an "end-time " with a savior to lead them to the promised land. Indeed, Roman records show executions of several would-be Messiahs, (but not a single record mentions a Jesus). Many ancients believed that there could come a final war against the "Sons of Darkness"-- the Romans. This then could very well have served as the ignition and flame for the future growth of Christianity. Biblical scholars tell us that the early Christians lived within pagan communities. Jewish scriptural beliefs coupled with the pagan myths of the time give sufficient information about how such a religion could have formed. Many of the Hellenistic and pagan myths parallel so closely to the alleged Jesus that to ignore its similarities means to ignore the mythological beliefs of history. Dozens of similar savior stories propagated the minds of humans long before the alleged life of Jesus. Virtually nothing about Jesus "the Christ" came to the Christians as original or new. For example, the religion of Zoroaster, founded circa 628-551 B.C.E. in ancient Persia, roused mankind in the need for hating a devil, the belief of a paradise, last judgment and resurrection of the dead. Mithraism, an offshoot of Zoroastrianism influenced early Christianity. The Magi described in the New Testament appears as Zoroastrian priests. Note the word "paradise " came from the Persian pairidaeza. Osiris, Hercules, Hermes, Prometheus, Perseus, Romulus, and others compare to the Christian myth. According to Patrick Campbell of "The Mythical Jesus", all served as pre-Christian sun gods, yet all allegedly had gods for fathers, virgins for mothers; had their births announced by stars; had tyrants who tried to kill them in their infancy; met violent deaths; rose from the dead; and nearly all got worshiped by "wise men" and had allegedly fasted for forty days. Even Justin Martyr recognized the analogies between Christianity and Paganism. To the Pagans, he wrote: "When we say that the Word, who is first born of God, was produced without sexual union, and that he, Jesus Christ, our teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven; we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter (Zeus)." [First Apology, ch. xxi]  (Sunday Aug 30 | post #12365)

Jackson, TN

So who's the gayest church

This is a very old argument that has been retried over the past two years or so. I am, not Auntie, I am who I am. Posting locations, style of writing etc all show that. It is just another in a long series of attempts at confusing the issue without addressing it.  (Sunday Aug 30 | post #257)

Jackson, TN

So who's the gayest church

Your definition of Atheism is incorrect. It is simply that we do not see any evidence for any god working it's power on this world. Atheism is not a stand alone belief system. It is just a position. It is just one answer to one question. Morality is a human phenomenon, the product of our evolution as a social species, and “good” and “evil” have nothing to do with any god. The concepts of “good” and “evil” and “virtue” and “vice”, then, do not suddenly lose all meaning if god does not exist, in the same way as the concepts of “true” and “false” remain unchanged. People who answer the question "atheist " prefer to base their morality on the potential of human beings to mature morally, to assume ethical principles and respect them, not out of fear of some god, but rather because they recognize the value of these principles for their own quality of life and that of others around them. In fact, by not blindly following religious dogma and scripture, atheists are forced to make responsible moral choices, having reasoned through the available choices and the consequences of what we do. In practice, even religious people cannot avoid making personal choices about which moral principles should be accepted, even when ostensibly guided by their religion, whether it be Abraham deciding whether to accept God’s command to sacrifice his son Isaac, or a suicide bomber deciding whether to accept a terrorist mission “for the faith”, or the government of a whole country deciding whether or not to enforce the hardline Muslim punishment of death for apostacy and blasphemy. I do understand that religious scriptures such as the Bible do contain a certain amount of commonsense moral education. But they are also bursting with celebrations of cruelty, slavery and violence, both human and divine,and are not the best guides to how to act morally or ethically. But I also know that morals, as stated in the bible, did not originate from those texts. They came from prior works from other religions. Because atheists do not believe in a god who will magically forgive their sins, nor in the existence of some cosmic judicial balance whereby justice is to be administered in the “next life”, they are forced to face up to the responsibility to do all that they can in the here and now to ensure that justice is done.  (Sunday Aug 30 | post #255)

Jackson, TN

Believers-In-God

All you have to do to show that your god answers prayers is to simply pray to remove cancer from everyone that has it tonight. Simple enough a request for a being that you think made the universe. Review Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. Prove that "And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." is a real quote from the being you believe to be related to your god.  (Saturday Aug 29 | post #12356)

Jackson, TN

My love to Auntie Theist

Yes, that silly old book that christians believe and follow to the letter, or else their choice of god will smite them. If they can not follow their own book of rules, how can we take them seriously. When they lash out against the truth they do not want to hear they show just how false their religion really is.  (Thursday Aug 27 | post #16)

Jackson, TN

So who's the gayest church

If you think a god did it, you are a sheep. Since you have not done the necessary research that will show you that there are no god(s) and they did not make any humans. We are the current product of an evolutionary chain that will continue well after our species is gone.  (Wednesday Aug 26 | post #237)

Jackson, TN

My love to Auntie Theist

ugly bast was right, so many people who claim to know 100% that their god exists, do go around and ignore it's instructions. "There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers." - Proverbs 6:16-19  (Wednesday Aug 26 | post #14)

Jackson, TN

One Nation Under God

At least that would be more neutral. But it is still a sticker that does not need to be on there. It is more neutral because everyone trusts in some kind of technology that developed via science. I bet they even have computers, radar guns, bullet proof vests, a forensic kit to take finger prints and DNA samples and so on. When taking down an armed trigger happy criminal, which would you rather trust in: god or a bullet proof vest?  (Wednesday Aug 26 | post #329)

Jackson, TN

atheists please explain this

Jewish concept of "unclean animals" arose out of public health concerns by community leaders, since, in the conditions of the times, some of those animals are indeed more likely to cause food poisoning or transmit diseases to people who consume them. And some of the other animals list that are unclean are because of their scavenger nature and their diet. They thought that because these animals were scavengers and ate things that humans do not eat, they figure humans should not eat them. They didn't have refrigerators or disinfectants or the special UV light to kill the parasites at that time, so as science has improved, the number of people who consume these items and get sick because of them are down. But since stupid people still exist, food poisoning still exists.  (Wednesday Aug 26 | post #2)

Jackson, TN

So who's the gayest church

It is good that you are willing to look at evidence, but every time you come to the conclusion of "god did it" you are ending the search for what actually happened. You are trying to mix "religious faith" with common everyday "faith". Science is a process, not a belief system, and therefore cannot engender "faith" in any religious sense. The product of the scientific process, i.e. technology, medical advances etc, however, can inspire a confidence, rather than a "faith", in its current and future ability to solve a large number of problems, due to its historical high success rate.  (Monday Aug 24 | post #226)

Jackson, TN

Campbell Street Church

Yes, I did notice the page links to a philosophy site. Thus showing that religions are not sciences, they are opinions and philosophy. Maybe another link is in order: http://www.schools observatory.org.uk /astro/cosmos/bb_e vid  (Monday Aug 24 | post #107)

Jackson, TN

Campbell Street Church

Then I question the quality of these science textbooks. There are a ton of proof for both. http://evolutionfa q.com/ has a links to many of them, from multiple sources. http://www.big-ban g-theory.com/ also has the top 5 proofs listed.  (Sunday Aug 23 | post #104)

Jackson, TN

So who's the gayest church

I know you are asking Auntie, but I have a question about the information given in the science books. On the BBT: Did it cover "Big Bang Nucleosynthesis "? Did it cover "Cosmic microwave background radiation"? Did it cover "Hubble's law"? The book might not have covered everything and I am sure a lot of information has been left out due to the complex nature of the math involved. Now, as a side note, it is a common misconception that the Big Bang theory explains how the universe came into existence. That is false; the Big Bang theory is a model of how the early universe developed, not how it appeared. There are a number of other hypothesis still being worked on that covers what was before our current universe. Including the one that I have studied which is the Cyclic model. Now, as for Evolution: People have been misquoting Darwin for many years. It is not "survival of the fittest" It is actually "survival of the fit". Compare what the science book says vs http://evolutionfa q.com/ Same can be said about evolution as about the BBT, there is more information out there that a typical school book just does not have the space to cover.  (Sunday Aug 23 | post #223)