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Seventh-day Adventist

p PAUL THE SERVANT OF SATAN

Well now, don't this beat all.....I come here for a good trouncing, and a bible study, and you won't give....You wont answer my questions...you insist that I need to buy your books and when I challenge what you have, you claim that I can't understand YOUR theology.... Hey Dave Koots....would you say that I know a thing or two about theology? What about my bible? The ol' saying is true, stick to your bible and satan's minions run from you.....and yell at you that you are a coward....  (Oct 26, 2010 | post #310)

Seventh-day Adventist

Gods People and His Law

What is your problem with communism? You do know that you WILL be living in a communist state in heaven, don't you? Communisum will work provided that the nature of man is good....which it isn't.... And here you go, crossin' threads....Bad internet ettisquet man..bad ettiquet...You really ought to learn to behave better...You wouldn't want adventist's to have the repuation that they are not nice people, would you? And your understanding of the flesh/spirit, dieing daily is flawed...but what else is knew? I guess that there is no real understanding of what the bible is trying to say in those verses...  (Oct 26, 2010 | post #10)

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p PAUL THE SERVANT OF SATAN

Hey, I got the bible...What other book do I need???? You are begining to sound like the mormons who say, " You need to read the book of mormon..." or the Jehovah Witness who say that I need to read thier Watchtower....Why do I need to read another book??? You even reflect those adventist who continually say that I need to read "Steps to Christ"...Aga in, I ask, "Why, when I have the bible...? If you cant prove your case from the bible, you have NO case!!! As for me using circular reasoning, well, that may be....but you can't seem to offer any evidence from the bible for your case.... Luke offers a perspective that has been collected down from others...and it seems to me, that he did a good job of it....You say that there are discrepencys between Luke and the other writers...well, there are discrepancys between the Matt, Mark and John as well...Are they not inspired writings? And speaking of inspired writing, what make you think that the absence of certain stories from any of the gospels disqualifies the writer's writings? You are going to have to do better than that....Luke stays in the bible.... Oh, and your shot that you go to paradise immediately aafter you die, is more based upon greek punctuation rather than anything that was said...come on, gentlemen...you guys said that you have a case...where is it????  (Oct 25, 2010 | post #293)

Seventh-day Adventist

conservative movement-Is it hurting the adventist church

you know, you really need to stay on topic and not bring the conversations of other threads into this one....You just might give him the benefit of the doubt.....and move the man a bit toward your pov....instead of berating the man.... And for your information, what you are doing is considered against internet ettiquette....Just thought you might want to know...'cause if them heathens act more civil than the God's chosen, ...well, we wouldn't want the world to know that we arent reflecting God's goodness....right?  (Oct 25, 2010 | post #16)

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p PAUL THE SERVANT OF SATAN

So, you have evidence that Luke was not truthful? [quote]1Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.[/quote] and [quote] 1In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach 2until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. 3After his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God. [/quote] If Luke was a true believer, he would have told the truth first and formost, regardless of who it hurt...Recounting Pauls and Peter's life shows his regard for truth...even when Paul and Barnabas disputed over Mark, and Peter's impetuous responses. If Luke was favoring someone, ie Paul, he would have passed over, as was the custom of the times, any bad things that Paul did... The dispute over Mark between Paul and Barnabus shows evidence that your claims are NOT correct.... Wanna try again?  (Oct 25, 2010 | post #270)

Seventh-day Adventist

Gods People and His Law

I don't think that this is what Doug is saying at all... And while you are correct that you "can't have laws for a nation once that nation ceases to be" they can exist as an example of what a person could be... I take this law/grace thing a bit differently....We came into this world without anything...no values, no clothes, no nothing...God provides us with parents, who provides for our physical needs as we grow up....God also provides values for us found in the bible...As we grow, we come to realize that there is a God, and we experience Him...and he reasure us of our place with Him...He gives us a daily plan and the oppertunity to reject it or grow from it....Those doctrines that we reviewed, become our values...and become us...Life is then interpreted thru those values...and since they come from God, we can be assured that they will give us a fuller experience with life..all from God... that's probably a bit more liberal than most of you legal beagles can handle, but it IS what you are experiencing....  (Oct 25, 2010 | post #6)

Seventh-day Adventist

conservative movement-Is it hurting the adventist church

I don't think so....I think that if a person moves toward God, God moves toward that person, no matter where he is in life...and I think that the continued relationship that ensues will improve over time and bring one closer yet....And who knows, maybe God will allow the person to recite all doctrines flawlessly with love....but more often than not, that person will have imperfections, like not being able to repeat the doctrines flawlessly, but having a largeness of love for other people....or maybe he will repeat the doctrines flawlessly, bur his love quotent is lacking for the job needed....[does this occur to anyone who has posted here so far???] :-)  (Oct 25, 2010 | post #14)

Seventh-day Adventist

conservative movement-Is it hurting the adventist church

How can one deny Christ by asking questions??? You jump to too many conclusions and refuse to answer hard but honest questions.... Thats kinda like getting a christmas present and throwing it away before you open it, because you are sure of what's inside it without ever checking....and in the process, you doubly insult the giver of the gift....EEEWwwwwww ww!  (Oct 25, 2010 | post #13)

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p PAUL THE SERVANT OF SATAN

Acts 9:15But the Lord said to Ananias, "Go! This man is my chosen instrument to carry my name before the Gentiles and their kings and before the people of Israel. 16I will show him how much he must suffer for my name." So, God tells Ananias that He has plans for Paul and then God decieves or goes back on His word or...? As I said, you have some serious theological problemms here and you are not addressing them...So what that Satan has the power to blind and heal...God took control and said that Paul was HIS MAN and was HIS CHOSEN instrument...... How do you get around this ?  (Oct 24, 2010 | post #244)

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conservative movement-Is it hurting the adventist church

hehehehehe.....Wel l, I suppose I have heard worse... Okay, So I have been "asleep in the pews", ...at least, I don't have the ulcers that you seem to have, along with your vindictiveness, worrying if I am 'saved' or not...At least I am able to sleep in the arms of Jesus, resting in His merits.... But why is there this push for this type of 'sanctification "? Why is there this need to be 'pure' or have this 'pure religion' and this seeking out of 'heresy'? IOWs, why is there this need to look at ourselves when we can be bringing in others into the fold? where is this push coming from??? All we are asked to do is to be "ambassadors for Christ" and to be "witnesses for Christ"...And all we truely need to do is "Lift up Jesus"....so why the need to self examine? Why the need to focus on self, even our religious self? It's all about Jesus, ....isn't it?  (Oct 24, 2010 | post #7)

Seventh-day Adventist

So I have To Give Up My Pork Roast and Coffee?!!!

give up some things for faith"???? I am new here, but I assure you that I am not new to the Adventist faith....may I suggest that what you give up, if you do give up anything, please give it up because you desire to be a better person...not a slave to your faith.... I have always maintained, that a Christian is a better person than he was when he was an agnostic or pagan...because of Who he now knows...and it is his desire to please Him.... It is Jesus, our maker, who makes us into better people...For some of us, it is giving up lieing...or to commit to working 6 days a week for ourselves and keep a specific one for a date with the King of the Universe...or give up certain foods because they are not as good for you as those that you are giving up...[He loves you and wants to keep you around for a long time, like most lovers/friends do] So do not be a slave to the faith....but rather a friend of God because it's the right thing to do...  (Oct 24, 2010 | post #180)

Seventh-day Adventist

conservative movement-Is it hurting the adventist church

Boy, talk about your being conservative... I just gave evidence that it's not WHAT you know, it's WHO you know....If you don't know Jesus, then it matters not if you are the kindest, most generous despot in the world.... Look, I agree that sanctification/cha racter building is a good thing...but it can get in the way of relationships very easily...Are you sure that being vegetarian is a good thing when you are among redneck cowboys who like thier meat and potatoes? Listen carefully, Tufoboy, you too can be characterised as a bland and tastless person with no meaning in life..[this MAY BE the characterizaton that follows any 'sanctifed adventist/christia n'] at least, none to the redneck cowboysAnd what has that position done for us in North America? Just how close to that "thus saith the Lord" do we need in everyday life? I would submit to you that our conservatism has stiffled our creativity...and we have not been able to complete the great commission because we have been too worried about violating some commandment or health priniciple...Our focus is NOT on building relationships and leading to Christ...It has been about our fear of violating the Commandments of God....What we don't realize is that love fulfills that very law...building friendships that lead to friendships in heaven is more important than violating laws....  (Oct 24, 2010 | post #5)

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p PAUL THE SERVANT OF SATAN

And what of the independant accounts of Paul's conversion? Paul was recieved by believers while he was temporarily blinded...by reluctant believers...who were commissioned to go by Jesus Himself....THEY SAW AND KNEW....they confirmed that Paul was blinded and they confirmed that GOD HIMSELF had a plan for Paul and His church.... To think otherwise is to confirm that God's character is mischievious and playing games with the human population berift of trust....don'tcha think?  (Oct 24, 2010 | post #220)

Seventh-day Adventist

conservative movement-Is it hurting the adventist church

1] You are more concerned about "Truth" rather than relationship? I am reminded of 2 things....the devil knows more about truth than we could ever know....and it's not what you know, but Who you know that gets you into heaven.... 2]EGW was fine, but remember, she claimed to be the lessor light. pointing to the greater light....I believe that she was pointing to the bible when she made that figurative statement....  (Oct 24, 2010 | post #3)

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p PAUL THE SERVANT OF SATAN

Now, Dave, you ol' koot you...I have NEVER known you to be such a lable-er as you have just shown yourself to be...heheheheeh... . said to one YOUNG KOOT, from one ol' koot from C/A.  (Oct 23, 2010 | post #186)