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Senator to Propose Ga. Smoking Ban

I read that, and I think I learned something new... I had no idea that the ACS and them had already started about ETS in the 70's. I didn't think they even begun that until the early 90's or so. I guess it took them 15+ years to pull it off (Referring to the 1993 EPA Study, of course.) Of course I'm still learning about this issue. And it's not one that I have studied for as long as most of them (Abortion, Capitol Punishment, Flag Burning, Freedom Of Speech, Seperation Of Church And State, etc., etc., etc.) I've only been studying this issue for about a year and a half, so there's probably a ton of stuff I still don't know... Anyway TY for that info. Like I said, that's deep... I'm gonna do some thinking about that..... And I'm sure glad to know it. It raises a few questions (about the Anti-Smoking Orgs) which I am going to try to figure out answers for... And again, good luck with that class. I know how it is to have certain things about it that just aren't your strong-points. Believe me, I know how that is. But you'll get through it. You can accomplish anything you set your mind to :)  (Oct 12, 2007 | post #473)

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Schwarzenegger Signs Bill Banning Smoking In Cars With Ch...

Ok, how about 50%, that's simple enough. Right? And besides, "simple" is not really where it's at. It would be simpler if many things were certain ways... but that's jut not how it is in the real world, of coruse. But the main thing about this case is, even if we presume ETS is harmful (which it theoretically could be in extremely high concentrations, although I'm talking EXTREMELY HIGH), even if we go with that presumption..... The fact that, as I stated previously, if the window is down, the smoke goes out (If it doesn't a small fan will fix it so that it does.) So with the window down, even if we presume that ETS is harmful, is the fact that there's not no ETS, as long as the window is down. See what I'm saying? That's where the difference is. And like I said before, if it had that exclusion, I still wouldn't like the Government Intervention issue, but at least they would have a serious point.  (Oct 12, 2007 | post #26)

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Schwarzenegger Signs Bill Banning Smoking In Cars With Ch...

LOL, I couldn't have said it better myself :)  (Oct 11, 2007 | post #11)

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Schwarzenegger Signs Bill Banning Smoking In Cars With Ch...

Yes but who are those studies by? Entities who have a clear, provable history of Wrongdoing (including, without limitation, Dishonesty)? LOL ;) What's up, you? Long time, no see. Of course I haven't been on Topix very much latelyNow wait a minute, that, on the surface, would be a good point. But if you look at my post above (my second post, the 3rd in the thread), specifically about the part about having the windows rolled down. But like I said, anybody who is anybody knows to roll down the windows when they smoke (Anybody who doesn't, I wouldn't want to ride with them either, LOL) But if the law did specifically exclude situations where the window was rolled down at least 30% (or 50% or whatever), I could concede. And what you said is pretty much the reason... I still don't like the Government telling people what to do (in matters regarding smoking), but if it had that exclusion, I could see where they were coming from.  (Oct 11, 2007 | post #10)

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Schwarzenegger Signs Bill Banning Smoking In Cars With Ch...

I am going to elaborate on my previous comment. Laws against Child Abuse? Good? Absolutely. Laws against Murder, Assault, Kidnapping, Sexual Abuse, etc.? Good? Absolutely. However, ETS is about 99.999% harmless to adults, children, infants, unborn children, pets, and household plants! Yes there are some people who don't like the smell and yes, there are certain people who have certain VERY RARE serious conditions which HIGH AMOUNTS of it can affect. However other than that, there is simply no truth to the notion that ETS (Environmental Tobacco Smoke, or Second Hand Smoke) is harmful to children or anybody else. It is a lie used by Pharmacy Companies who profit from laws like these who probably paid off Schwarzenegger and his buddies to pass this junk, I would bet my last dollar. Point #2: I recall saying months ago, on another thread: Why don't they re-word the law so that it only applys if the window is not down at least X percent (like 30% or whatever). Presuming they were serious, why would that not be the appropriate solution? If the window is down, 99% of the smoke goes out. If it doesn't you place a small fan so that it does. So what's the problem? And who would be stupid enough not to roll down the window when they are smoking? If there is such a person, I wouldn't want to ride with them either! But I doubt you will find anybody like that. With as many people as I have met, I don't remember ever meeting anybody who doesn't know to roll down car windows while smoking. And I'd rather it stay that way to be honest. Somebody like that is certainly not the brightest spark. Anyway once again, people like Schwarzenegger (etc) who abuse power will be held accountable for the wrong they do to good people.  (Oct 11, 2007 | post #3)

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Senator to Propose Ga. Smoking Ban

Yeah I know what you mean. And I'll tell you honestly this is one of the biggest enigmas within the Tobacco Issue. It is very complex. Basically there are 3 different "types" of Anti-Smokers. Type A.) Believes in others having the right to do it but doesn't want them doing it around him/her. (Which is fair enough, in most cases.) BTW, these "Type A" ones make up the majority of them. Type B.) Doesn't like smoking AT ALL, (to say the LEAST!) Tries to get laws passed and stuff like that. Type C.) Passionately hates smoking, and dislikes people who do it and are not trying to quit. (This type is less than .01% of the popultation. However, they do exist, so you should be aware of them.) http://forum.aweso mestdude.com/viewt opic.php?p=822#822 The ones you are talking about are Type A. Not only are they usually very resonable, they are actually "in the right" to feel that way (Kinda like what we were talking about just then, about how them not liking it is ok...) But on the other hand, not everybody who doesn't smoke dislikes the smell or anything like that. In fact some actually like the smell. And on the other side of that coin, there are also people who smoke who are Anti-Smoking (Usually either type B or A. Plenty of Type A's who smoke! As unbelievable as it sounds...) There's even some Type B's who are fairly reasonable, such as Dr. Michael Siegel, for example. Equally complex is the term "Anti". It is actually a slang term for a very millitant Anti-Smoker (Type B or C) It's really not that difficult other than not confusing it with the Type A Anti-Smokers, even though "Anti-Smoker " is, I believe, where the word originated from. So that falls back to the complexity of the term "Anti-Smoker " which like I said before, is one of the biggest enigmas of the Tobacco Issue! I didn't understand what "Anti" meant when I first started studying the issue (About a year and a half ago.) It took me about 3 or 4 weeks before I finally got it, LOL I kinda kept reading and learning... I just kept reading and kept learning. Learning is awesome! And BTW, that class you take (which I read about on another thread although I can't recall at the moment..), I wish you well in that. That is a very good thing. Education is very good. The more you learn the less people like the RWJF can take advantage of you! I sure do hope you do well in that :) Anyway about that, like I said, it is a true enigma! It's one of those sub-topics that could actually be it's own discussion. We had a thread about it somewhere but I think it was a little before you got here. Let me see if I can find that (I'm sure it's in my bookmarks.) Because yeah that's something that rarely gets raised. Although it should, because it is one of the biggest enigmas within the Tobacco Issue. It is very easy to get wrong and very difficult to get perfect. It's a true enigma! Let me find that link... It'll probably be tomorrow or so. I'm about to hit the sack. It's like 4 AM where I'm at, I guess I need to go to bed, LOL  (Oct 11, 2007 | post #460)

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Schwarzenegger Signs Bill Banning Smoking In Cars With Ch...

If there were the slightest bit of truth to the claims that ETS were harmful to children (or anybody else), that would be a different matter. Yes, protecting children is good. However, ETS is harmless. If it wasn't somebody would have proven otherwise by now... http://forum.aweso mestdude.com/viewt opic.php?t=181 So the fact remains that ETS is harmless to children and anybody else. People like Schwarzenegger (etc) who abuse power will be held accountable for the wrong they do to good people.  (Oct 11, 2007 | post #2)

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Senator to Propose Ga. Smoking Ban

I know how that isActually I like it. I think it's a great ideaI'm about to fire up Acrobat and look at that. And I'm also about to hit those links SassyVarmit posted above. I'll probably be reading well into the night... Which is ok, I finally have the time to do some stuff, for the first time in a while, LOL (I'm sure you know how that isYeah I can imagine. And yeah, you too :)  (Oct 10, 2007 | post #458)

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Senator to Propose Ga. Smoking Ban

No I sure haven't but I sure will! TY very much!!! (I think I've seen one of them... I think... not in a while though... nonetheless, TY!)  (Oct 10, 2007 | post #457)

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Senator to Propose Ga. Smoking Ban

You are absolutely correct! They don't have to be allergic or afraid, just that they don't like it. There is one little thing though. I don't mean to nit-pick or anything but what you meant was "Anti-Smokers ", since not all Non-Smokers dislike the smell or anything, but that's cool, I know what you meant :) http://forum.aweso mestdude.com/viewt opic.php?t=241 Hey I just noticed that has a reply! I haven't even checked that board yet... (I probably should since I moderate it, in fact I administrate it! LOL) OnceNowThen also said something else really good on another threadWow! I couldn't have said it better myself!!! She hit the nail on the head. And I think that more or less goes along with what most of us are saying. Everybody respecting each other and all of us taking responsibility for ourselfs and not the Government doing it. Anyway, BleuJei, I just wanted to say that you are right about that. You are 100% correct. All that matters is that they don't want to be around it, for whatever reason may it be. I haven't seen that addressed very much lately. The fact that Anti-Smokers don't really need a "reason" per say, just the fact that they don't like it is good enough. TY for bringing that up :)  (Oct 10, 2007 | post #455)

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Senator to Propose Ga. Smoking Ban

I kinda agree with some of that. Seperate rooms are good. Of course I don't know about mandating it, other than if they are going to consider themselfs "Mixed", then yeah most definitely. Otherwise they need to call themself "Smoking " even if they do have a No Smoking Section. As for the employees, how about if they are required to sign a waiver stating that they are aware that smoking is allowed on premesis, and therefore the possibility of ETS Exposure? That seems perfect, doesn't it? Whether they smoke or not (which really isn't the issue, but that's another can of worms...), if they sign that waiver, that means that they are choosing to work around ETS. Otherwise they should instead apply at one that doesn't allow smoking. Although I could see the abscence of the waiver if they are never required to enter the rooms where smoking is allowed, and those rooms are sealed with "Zero Pressure" and the such. That would be acceptible, I suppose.  (Oct 10, 2007 | post #452)

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Senator to Propose Ga. Smoking Ban

TY! I clicked that link (before I realised it was a PDF) and uh... Firefox is a great browser but for some reason PDF's don't do well with it... It kinda went haywire but then it started responding again so I got back and saved the document. That's how I like view PDF's anyway. That way I can look at it again later if I want to. And yeah, I'm gonna take a look at that in just a moment... And yeah, the people who want it eliminated are "meddlers ". I usually don't even count them in the 90%. I mean I would like to please them also but in order to please somebody who desires to do wrong to somebody, you have to let them do wrong to the other person. Other than that I like to even please them, whenever possible... it's just not usually possible, for obvious reasons, LOL And yeah I sure know what you mean about not having much time these days. I'm kinda in that boat myself. Like I was just telling somebody (in person), lately I've had just about every kinda problem coming at me AT ONCE... but I'll get through it :) And you will also :) And I most certainly do appreciate your effort and your concern. The Tobacco Issue is one of the most important issues there are at the moment (Due to the underlying issues like Abuse Of Power and the such.) But everything will be ok. Good will conquor evil in the long-run. It might not win every battle but it will win the war :)  (Oct 10, 2007 | post #450)

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Senator to Propose Ga. Smoking Ban

I sure know how that is. My computer crashed on me over a year ago, and I just recently got back the rest of the files from it. I technically still don't have ALL of them, but I've got the stuff I wanted the most... and I can get off the rest of the 160 GIGS later, so that's good enough for now I guess... Of course that's not all of the story! LOL Then about 6 months later (about last February or so) the laptop I bought to use instead, did pretty much the same thing! LOL So I went and bought me a very nice brand new computer, that's totally perfect. Well except it has this program on it called Windows Vista that I am still trying to figure out a way to downgrade to XP. (BTW, anybody who hasn't tried Vista, DON'T! It is not worth the bytes it's made up of! I want XP, or better yet, I'm thinkng of getting Unix or Linux. Windows anything is pretty crappy, but Windows Vista is terrible! I would have bought a used computer if I had known how bad it was!!!) Anyway yeah I sure do feel for you. I've been there... But you'll get it all fixed. Just remember that old saying: To err is human, to really #%@& things up takes a computer :D  (Oct 10, 2007 | post #448)

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Senator to Propose Ga. Smoking Ban

Candid, ol pal, I've got a little news-flash for you (and some other posters who apparantly didn't realise this, probably due to some of my original posts at the beginning of this thread before I realised this was "old news", LOL) Georgia passed the ban in like '05. I think it went into effect July 1, 2005. I found out about it on I think it was July 8, 2005, and I've still got a thing somewhere that I wrote about that. And this was almost a year before I started studying the Tobacco Issue. So I didn't even know about things like the RWJF Conspiracy and all that. If I had it all to do over again, I would have started studying it then. I was actually going to but I kinda had a bunch of other things to do at that time so it kinda didn't happen... I ended up pretty much forgetting about it... Until one day in like May 2006 when I was sitting at some bar in South Carolina watching the TV screens. The volume was all the way down but it was the news which had the little scrolling "headline " things at the bottom. And one of them said something about some place banning smoking (I only caught the very end of it.) I got home and got on the Internet and started LEARNING. It turns out it was somewhere in Canada, a ban that was about to go into effect (Which I saw something recently about, BTW, well it was like last May. It was something on this site, that I commented on, but I can't find the link anywere...) I started LEARNING! And I learned things I didn't even want to know. But of course I would rather know than not know, of course, LOL But yeah some of the things I learned absolutely mortified me! But I kept learning. And I'm sure glad I did. Knowledge is power :)  (Oct 10, 2007 | post #446)

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Senator to Propose Ga. Smoking Ban

You know something, I don't think I have ever thought about things in that way, but you are 100% correct. If a law like that was passed, I would be madder than a wet hornet (Even thought I have no problem with being around smoking, and that I smoke, and that I prefer to go to places that allow it.) That would infuriate me! It would infuriate me in the EXACT same way that a Smoking Ban would. Exactly the same! Half of one, six dozen of the other. It doesn't matter if it's my rights being violated or my neighbor's. I like for things to be 100% fair for EVERYBODY. Let me make my choices, let my neighbor make his/hers, and let the places make there's. That's what I think anyway. What's everybody's take on that?  (Oct 10, 2007 | post #442)

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