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Joe Lieberman Says He'll Block Reid's Health Care Bill

Hes reliable to the people who contributed the cash to his reelection campaigns. That is the "common sense" for today's congress.  (Nov 3, 2009 | post #56)

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I hate Jesus (non believers ONLY)

Is it important that we all believe in jesus? If it is, then why on earth should it be so unbelievable that you have to forgo all empirical fact and rely on emotions instead? Can the believers see how easy it would be for jesus or an all-mighty god to do something significant that would get everyone's attentions and finally put an end to non belief with a demonstration of fact? This is asking nothing that wasn't done before, so why cant we see the examples of proof that were shown 2000 years ago, that got people to be the initial believers. If demonstrations of fact were good to do then, why not some in later years too, like once a century even, just to keep up appearances? That way, there would be absolutely zero non believers. If it was important that everyone believe in the supernatural, then there is a measure of incompetency here for the way the all-powerful are handling it. Why should mankind instead suffer the horrors of war and strife on earth in the name of defining competing gods? What kind of god would be that carefree and still deserve love? It would have to be a sadistically sick form of entertainment to them to watch all this going down.  (Nov 3, 2009 | post #25307)

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I hate Jesus (non believers ONLY)

I think as long as they cant see why non believers aren't scared of the main reason to believe (to believers - unspeakable horrors for eternity) then we could try to help them appreciate the evidence of that actually happening. Another avenue might be to suggest the scribes of that day were the equivalent of the much hated "liberal media" - you know, the people that 'just make things up'. But, would we really want to convice believers to not believe? Think of the chaos that might result. They just need to stop forcing their religion on society to the point of requiring we believe like the islamic cultures do - and to stop hating non believers and non conformers so much. Its ironic that jesus's teachings didn't tell them to hate things so much of the time, so they could better mirror their own religion.  (Nov 3, 2009 | post #25306)

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I hate Jesus (non believers ONLY)

What is the advantage of knowing god in the eternal life? You mean theres no pain and suffering for eternity? That would be another interpretation of hell i've not heard. They all have to have a measure of uncomfortablity to appeal to the human senses. We all have heard enough examples of what hell could be - theres a never ending flood of that explanation. But what we seldom hear though is what eternity would be like in god's house, beyond very, very vague generalities. Heaven suggests a nice secure neighborhood, but would "good" be someone else's perception, ...like sitting in a church pew 24/7 wearing wool clothing? "Good" to the victorians might be forced to forgo having any fun and having to sit still for eternity while being lectured about "good things" you'd likely hear from the dark ages. What rules are there and can you be free to roam, etc. etc. Isn't the truth that defining heaven is not necessary, when the main motivation to believe is simply that you will suffer unspeakable agony for eternity if you dont believe? No wonder then why theres no definition of heaven - its simply the absence of extreme horror. Fear is a great motivator with humans to believe in anything, as long as they can be scared by stories of the unknown. I dont believe this deception has to be something negative though - just the contrary - religions have been a positive force for human development. Religion can be credited with motivating early cultures into developing past their more animalistic origins to orderly societies. Thanks to religions, mankind has reached a point of order where individuals can chose to survive without it, if they can. It can always be available as a crutch for those who need it though and thats why it wont ever be banned. Theres nothing wrong with that.  (Nov 3, 2009 | post #25305)

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I hate Jesus (non believers ONLY)

I thought Aurora was the one who claimed to appreciate logical discussions? More likely though, theirs is the only logical argument. Its getting easier to see who is listening to others and who are just listening to themselves, by the way they dont specifically address what other's points are. They should know that they will need to do this if they truly ever want to influence others, What else would justify their time in forums, if it wasn't just to rely on applying the mother of all logic to non believers - believe, or fear the eternal agony for not doing so. And that must be from smugness, knowing that fate wont happen to Them. (Do they know that non believers believe it wont happen to them either?) Hell is the fate of the pointy-headed people that appreciate facts and reason. God damns those pointy-heads to hell - you can see them drowning from noah's arc in those children indoctrination videos. Very simply, eternal hell is what the doubting poiny-heads got for laughing at christian belief. Its too late to get on the boat once the flood starts - you have to be a believer before the storm (so dont do that kids, or you'll end up like them too!!).  (Nov 3, 2009 | post #25302)

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I hate Jesus (non believers ONLY)

While its possible someone with that name existed, we dont what all the possibilities are with the surrounding stories, given how they were scribed hundreds of years later and didn't pass any credible review for facts. It would be very simple for me to believe though - all that has to happen is a simple demonstration, like was given to the people 2000 yrs ago, that made people believe in something. Why cant we see just a sample of that? Seems it would be easy to do and would end the deathly strife on earth over defining which god is the true one. (Or, would that be entertainment to all-powerful dieties, who need me to love them?) Does it look to you like this thread is being used by believers to bash the unbelievers - again? If they cant get non believers to agree with their flawed, faith based logic, they brush them off and damn them to the mother of all, catch-all logic of religion.... You either believe what they do, or you suffer unspeakable agony for eternity. To me, believers seem glad to scare the non believers with that fear, especially those who argue effectively against their belief structure - because that is the only consolation they can get when their faith-logic fails to convince non believers. They should instead learn what logic doesn't work and refrain from using it in the future.  (Nov 3, 2009 | post #25301)

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I hate Jesus (non believers ONLY)

What will you be doing for eternity? I've already heard the many thousands of versions for hell - and its understandable why they rely on that as the last logic to bring out in a losing argument. If you dont believe, then unspeakable horror awaits you for eternity. Holy cow! No wonder its better to be "right" and believe in something that can never be proven, than to believe in the heavier evidence against it and be "wrong", eh? After fear has their focus, they find other reasons to build on that so their faith wont just be about fear alone... But, as you reminded us, it certainly is the biggest factor. Fear of eternity is the very first "logical argument" that makes people believe, as well as it is the last. Believers conveniently forget about that from their initial indoctrination, but its always on their minds. Eternity is a very long time to be doing anything, so please tell us what you believe will be the best way to spend it and what will you be doing in 4000 earth years? Folks, isn't it very strange that we dont hear much in the bible about what heaven is like? Why is that, Aurora? ps - these ghost stories are annoying too - when will the day be when the ghost whisperers ever solicit information about the afterlife from these "spirits "? Have any ghosts come forth to endorse christianity, islam or any other organized faith? (Credit to rabbi boteach) "I would think that if someone is up there in the cosmos, unrestrained by the constraints of the body, they could tell us about the great secrets of existence, where is God, and how can we better human life." http://transcripts .cnn.com/TRANSCRIP TS/0103/06/lkl.00. html  (Nov 3, 2009 | post #25296)

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FOXNEWS; POLITICAL OPINIONATORS.

Fox claims the critics dont know how to distinguish between an editorial page and the news page, so they showed the way today. Fox news sunday, nov 1 2009, brought hate radio to their "news" division, by giving their microphone to rush limbaugh - as if he didn't get enough air time as it is to state his opinions. (Nothing he said was anything new and hadn't been said earlier, so what was the point?) Then, after their sunday show finished and their "news" hour began again, the scroll at the bottom reiterated the things limbaugh had said earlier. All incredibly negative opinion thats characteristically void of fact (as is the norm) So, they couldn't have "news" without their opinion page dominating the crawl at the bottom of the screens. Fox would claim a rehash of rush's old comments was "news". ps - dyhard, ya think i should use insulting terms to get through to the righties?  (Nov 1, 2009 | post #2)

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Joe Lieberman Says He'll Block Reid's Health Care Bill

Is this "wino", from the bully pulpit? (just curious - korbett would like to know)  (Nov 1, 2009 | post #47)

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I hate Jesus (non believers ONLY)

I believe what the questioner is saying from asking this inane question, is, ... "I know non believers hate Jesus and I hate them for that!" The questioner believes you can hate something you dont believe in because they haven't given enough thought to realize that isn't possible. They're programmed to believe that non believers dont believe in god because they hate god. Hate is something they understand and can use to "understand " what kind of emotions other people might be feeling in any given situation. But all they're doing is projecting their own emotion on to others - its really just their flawed logic leading them to believe in incorrect conclusions. Whats true for even the believers is you cant hate anything you dont believe exists, period. (No? What then can you hate if you believe it doesn't exist, please?) Most are too proud to even consider this, so they wont.  (Nov 1, 2009 | post #25251)

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I hate Jesus (non believers ONLY)

I hate Mr Spock and Capt Kirk more than Jesus. The question for believers needs to be, why do you folks hate Mr Spock and Capt Kirk so much? More appropriately, why do the believers hate things and people so much of the time, when the lessons of Jesus are about how to substitute that with love? Believers asking inane questions as this thread title still haven't learned anything from the new testament and its doubtful they ever will.  (Nov 1, 2009 | post #25247)