War on Christmas Debate - London, OH
Is the "War on Christmas" real?
Since: Aug 10
#1 Dec 15, 2011
What a bunch of bull$hit. Christmas itself is a fictional holiday where people apparently believe that stringing lights up on a pagan symbol somehow is a reflection of their god who apparently was born in the summer (because lets face it, if shepherds are in the fields, it's probably not December). And that somehow giving your child a mountain and acquiring a mountain of toys and debt commemorates the birth of said god? Really now... believing there's a war on Christmas is about as gullible as believing in the whole nativity. The holiday if largely apocryphal Christian mythology tempered with a few pagan beliefs (used to incorporate pagan Europe into the Church).
If anyone has a right to say there's a war on Christmas, it would be the people who Celebrated it before it was corrupted by Christians (and later corporations).
#2 Dec 17, 2011
don't ruin christmas. it's the only time i get new underwear and socks.
#3 Oct 19, 2012
You know, you can have any opinion you want. Yes, Christmas has been commercialized beyond recognition, but for those who understand the true meaning of Christmas, it can be a wonderful thing. And you shouldn't be so careless to make fun of people who believe in a God. What does it hurt? And I would hate to live in a world where Christian beliefs weren't the backbone of our society. If you don't follow those rules, then murder/adultery/rape/and any number of things wouldn't be considered illegal.
And for all your "research"...the sheperds in the field weren't in Ohio. I would think one would realize that different countries have their seasons at different times.
But I too think people spend way to much money on "things" to celebrate this holiday. Christmas in my family is time for everyone to get together. We take turns as to who hosts, and we all get together and have a meal and talk into the wee hours of the morning. Presents are hardly ever involved except for needed items given to the elders of the family.
But I do believe that there is a war on Christmas. As we try to become more "politically correct", we have allowed everyone to make us feel bad for what this country was founded on. It's no different than reverse racism. We can have college funds for any race where only people of that race are eligible, but you can't do the same if the race is caucasion (white). We can allow other religious symbols to exist, but a Christian one receives threats of lawsuits. Why? Yes, things in this country have not always been fair, and many things still aren't. But the old saying is true, "two wrongs don't make a right".
Since: Aug 10
#4 Oct 22, 2012
Israel is the North Hemisphere. Therefore winter in Israel is Winter in Ohio. Seasons are not divided like hours on the face of the planet. There are two seasons per year. The North Hemisphere experiences one and the South Hemisphere experiences the other. And since Israel is not south of the equator, the season is the same there as it is in Columbus, Los Angles, and Tokyo.
I'm not making fun of beliefs, per say, I am more mocking the fact that so many people claim there's this war on Christmas, and then they go out, get loaded with debt, and really don;t think much about what Christmas was.
Though, to be fair, Christianity co-opted the holiday as a way to convert pagans. So if you REALLY want to go back further, Christmas is not originally about Jesus. but rather the celebration of the midpoint of winter (Yule).
And it is not fair to say that Christianity prevents crime. Christians can commit crime just like any9one else. And before Christianity existed, there were laws that dictated moral behavior. I mean, after all, Judaism is the source of the Ten Commandments, and that's not exactly Christian. And other societies also put heavy penalties upon behaviors like murder and rape. Christianity didn't change anything. It borrowed from other sources and then asserted itself as superior.
I'm not Christian and I do not break the law, not because of god or divine punishment, but because I choose not to break the law on my own volition. The scary thing to me is if a Christian who follows the law only because of god, if he or she were to lose their way, then they are in more danger of being a criminal because they pinned their behaviors on a deity that they feel is no longer supportive of them. THAT is something terribly fearful.
#5 Oct 23, 2012
I in no way meant to imply that Christianity prevents crime. But you have to agree that crime would most likely increase if a percentage of people didn't think that there would be an eternal damnation for some of their actions. The justice system alone with its failings does little to scare anyone anymore.
Religion isn't something I want to argue over, I'm definitely not an expert at the subject. I believe that there could most absolutely be something out there completely beyond our comprehension. But have I schooled myself in the subject? No. I am like most others, where my beliefs lie in the religion in which my parents raised me.
My thoughts are that if someone wants to celebrate the "true meaning of Christmas", which for a long time now has been the birth of Christ, then they should celebrate it as intended. I am sickened by what the holiday has become...kids crying for more, parents scrambling and going into debt to give them the latest electronic devices, competition over what everyone has or what they received...it's just disgusting.
Since: Aug 10
#6 Oct 27, 2012
I find it difficult to believe a god who created us with free will and loves us would damn us to hell because of that gift. I don't believe in damnation and I do not break the law. I have my own rather strong set of morals that keep me from doing things that are illegal. And there are people who do believe in damnation and they break the law anyway. I know more "Christians" who have broken laws as opposed to atheists and agnostics.
I do not believe that crime decreased much when Rome switched form a polytheistic empire, to a monotheistic one. I do not think the same happened to the Middle eastern empires that converted to Zoasterism. Nor do I think crime changed much when Egypt switched to a monotheistic kingdom briefly. Even the Kingdoms of Judea and Israel still had crime, even with the threat of damnation in Sheol. Crime happens regardless of the presence of religion.
Morality is inscribed on the hearts of people, not just their religion.
#7 Oct 30, 2012
You are not damned because of free will. You are damned for making the wrong choice WITH your free will.
Example: You give birth to a child, love it, allow it to grow and make decisions. Child decides it wants to kill everyone it sees. Can you allow that? No, even though you love your child.
Evil is in every heart. Whether you allow it to consume you is your choice. But I do agree that a religious upbringing can keep those choices to a minimum.
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