War on Christmas Debate - Leesville, LA

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Caint be 4 Cain

Leesville, LA

#1 Dec 14, 2011
Retailers are trying to eliminate the word "Christmas" every year. They are trying to be politically correct to satisfy athiests and Muslims. When they do this they offend their customers who are Christians or believe that Christmas is a traditional word.

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#2 Dec 14, 2011
We as Christians are in the cross hairs every day, other know this because for the most part we turn the other cheek and just let it go.

I have two cheeks I may turn one of them but don't push your luck.

They are afraid of God .
WTF

Philadelphia, PA

#3 Dec 14, 2011
Has been for 15 years. Walmart stopped the merry christmas and replaced it with happy holidays. Hated it then and hate it now. Thats just 1 big company that loves to take your money and treat you as another number. F'in pisses me off to no extent.
kelsey johnson

Leesville, LA

#4 Dec 15, 2011
I cannot believe the answers on this. Everyone of you has failed 9th grade civics and needs to go back to school. Just because the myth of Santa is false and portrayed as real does not give Christians the right to portray Jesus as real when the story is false. Adding aggression statements makes you look even more dumb, especially since your false icon preached peace. Atheist and Muslims have just as much right to be stupid this time of year as Christians and Jews. I am offended by Christians who believe people can be afraid and offended by something they only believe in.
Barry

Chester, CT

#5 Dec 15, 2011
Well said, Kelsey. The whole "war on Christmas" is a notion fabricated by conservatives looking for something to complain about.
me

Leesville, LA

#6 Dec 15, 2011
No one is going to be shot at or killed because Walmart's tag says,'holiday tree'. There is a serious overreaction, created by some of the craziest pundits on FOX. If your blocked from your church on Christmas, forced not to celebrate the day as you wish, that's when it would become a problem for all Americans. You keep the Christ in Christmas, no one can do it for you, or take that from you. Happy holidays!
Rusty Shackleford

United States

#7 Dec 15, 2011
Every one has a right to celebrate Christmas as they see fit. If Christmas is nothing more to you than a gift giving holiday so be it. I don't like that Nativity displays and Christian type decorations are not allowed on government buildings in many places. Nicalodian (I can't spell it, sorry) has a winter holiday website with crafts for kids and such. They have candle displays for kwanza (a made up holiday), Jewish themed crafts but only a Christmas tree for Christmas. Why not a baby Jesus ornament?

Further more I don't get upset when someone says happy holidays since the word holiday came from Holy day. So these nonchristians are still referencing the Holy spirit even if they don't know it
tapmcfarland

Leesville, LA

#8 Dec 15, 2011
Rusty Shackleford wrote:
Every one has a right to celebrate Christmas as they see fit. If Christmas is nothing more to you than a gift giving holiday so be it. I don't like that Nativity displays and Christian type decorations are not allowed on government buildings in many places. Nicalodian (I can't spell it, sorry) has a winter holiday website with crafts for kids and such. They have candle displays for kwanza (a made up holiday), Jewish themed crafts but only a Christmas tree for Christmas. Why not a baby Jesus ornament?
Further more I don't get upset when someone says happy holidays since the word holiday came from Holy day. So these nonchristians are still referencing the Holy spirit even if they don't know it
i agree with you Christmas is a tradition basically world wide and i think it is up to its own representation. whether it be religous or just about family. i celebrate more of the tradition then the religious aspect i believe in God, the Bible and Jesus, but there is not proof of a December birth. but i dont think Christmas is bad or should be condemned. i just enjoy the holdiay. however, i see the reason why some are against it. i see the religious aspect as well as the historical aspect. in england in the 1700's Christmas was celebrated on Jan. 6 before that it was in September. the puritans and oliver cromwell ended this celebration in the mid 1600's but it was charles II that brought it back. in early america Christmas did not exist. in boston late 1600 early 1700s Christmas i was forbidden. also exchanging gifts or to say st. nicholos was a crime.(the reason is backed by fact in the bible it say not to utter the words nicholos or nicholaitanes) it was not till after the american revelution when it became a custom again. it was not till june of 1870 that it was declared a federal holiday (could be wrong about date). the religous aspect: puritans felt it was a pagan holiday and there in fact were many pagan holidays all celebrated in December. the Yule was a pagan holiday, Sol Invictus some say was a pagan holiday which did not deal with God or Jesus but the worship of many Gods. So puritans did not want to affiliate anything pagan worship to Christ or God.
i was raised by a religous fanatic, he is still that way today but a good man. i was taught the bible four nights a week we did church, bible study, and prayer. i was even made to study the canon laws, which i have forgotten. i was taught that yes jesus was born and we should give thanks but the reason we reach salvation and our forgiven is not because of his birth that some say was pre destined by God but rejoice his death. without that sacrifice no hope would exist for our saving as we all our sinners. also i was taught that no where in the bible does God command celebration of Christmas. in fact i remember Deuteronomy 12: 28-32 commands not to adopt religious or pagan practice other then what God has stated anything other is an abomination. there is no exact date of when Christ was born, many dispute the month of December. the reason for that is fact: before Christ there were many that worshiped multiple gods and they had many pagan holidays in the month of December. many state Christ was born in early fall not winter. the pagan holiday Saturnalia or sun worship was around when the date was chosen for Christmas and also some use the doctrine of Nicolaitanes to back why we should not celebrate, backed by Lev 18: 21,29 and Revelation 2:6,15."Christ hates the followers of Nicholas." there is no evidence that jesus mentioned to his followers the should celebrate his birth or Christmas. whew, just saying it works both ways. i went on a bit, eh?

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#9 Dec 15, 2011
kelseyjohnson,

Do you have proof that the Jesus story is false?

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#10 Dec 15, 2011
This for all you non believers, when your at the end of a gunman's weapon who are you going to call out for ?
when your at the end of your life and want that one extra day who are you going to call?

When are at the end of a great sexual fulfillment who do you call out ?

You are so afraid of knowing that faith in his name can and has moved countries. that you can not think that you will be left behind and your the ones that will take the mark because that's all you know .

I still want to see where you can read in the news a Christian walked into a crowed market and blew them self up to kill others who did not believe.

Please show me just one Christian who pulled out a gun in a mall and started killing others in the name of God.

How many of the people who lost their life's in the twin towers called out his name ?

For the one who don't believe I hope you can find him before your time is near, and yes put God back in Christmas .

“WAKE THE "F" UP”

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#11 Dec 15, 2011
anacocofan wrote:
kelseyjohnson,

Do you have proof that the Jesus story is false?
people with this view can not prove any thing that they say for if they could we would not have all these Christians asking them to put your money where your mouth is
dawg

Lake Charles, LA

#12 Dec 15, 2011
The bible say that many of those calling themselves, christian, Christ is going to tell them, get away from me you evil person. Christ like. How many we see like Christ? How often we witness the principles taught in the Sermon from the Mount? The biggest devil I know claim to be a christian. Satan can act like a christian too.
dawg

Lake Charles, LA

#13 Dec 15, 2011
To the christian, its all about love. If you can't love, you won't be in the few (few) thats chosen. Many will be called.
dawg

Lake Charles, LA

#14 Dec 15, 2011
iplo39465 wrote:
This for all you non believers, when your at the end of a gunman's weapon who are you going to call out for ?
when your at the end of your life and want that one extra day who are you going to call?
When are at the end of a great sexual fulfillment who do you call out ?
You are so afraid of knowing that faith in his name can and has moved countries. that you can not think that you will be left behind and your the ones that will take the mark because that's all you know .
I still want to see where you can read in the news a Christian walked into a crowed market and blew them self up to kill others who did not believe.
Please show me just one Christian who pulled out a gun in a mall and started killing others in the name of God.
How many of the people who lost their life's in the twin towers called out his name ?
For the one who don't believe I hope you can find him before you time is near, and yes put God back in Christmas .
These suicide bombers displays true FAITH. They are willing to die for what they believe in. Unlike us christian. We will not die for Christ. Remember Peter? He was a Christian. Judas, he was a christ. Faithless christians.

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#15 Dec 16, 2011
dawg,

Actually Judas was never a Christian (John 17:12) and Peter died a martyr's death for Christ. Though he stumbled at the denial of Christ and was often known for sticking his foot in his mouth, the entire book of Acts shows Peter's faith lived out. The end result, not the past, is what all should be concerned with. That is, where do you stand before God? Do you stand condemned or are you justified by the grace of Christ?

Furthermore, in the context of the Sermon on the Mount Jesus compares that group with the those who profess Christ but their actions prove otherwise (Matthew 7:15-20). This leads to verses 21-23.

The principles taught in the Sermon on the Mount are far out of reach that they are only able to be lived out through a relationship with Christ. That's one reason why the people marveled at the conclusion of Jesus' teaching.

To be a Christian is not all about love, for there are many who love but do not believe. Love, as 1 John says, is vital for "he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he as not seen" (1 John 4:20). Because of the work God wrought in our sinful hearts love is an outpour of the grace of Jesus. "We love because he first loved us" (1 John 4:19).

But sadly you are correct in your assessment. There are many Christians who profess Jesus with their lips but their lifestyle speaks a different story. Therefore those who profess Christ must be like the tree in Matthew 7:17. We must bear good fruit.
Just passing thru

Leesville, LA

#16 Dec 16, 2011
Barry wrote:
Well said, Kelsey. The whole "war on Christmas" is a notion fabricated by conservatives looking for something to complain about.
Sure, it is. Let someone try to change the name of Chanukkah or Kwanzaa to pacify someone who might be offended by those names. Most of all, there is no telling what trouble would break out if you tried to change the name of Ramadan.
dawg

Lake Charles, LA

#17 Dec 16, 2011
anacocofan wrote:
dawg,
Actually Judas was never a Christian (John 17:12) and Peter died a martyr's death for Christ. Though he stumbled at the denial of Christ and was often known for sticking his foot in his mouth, the entire book of Acts shows Peter's faith lived out. The end result, not the past, is what all should be concerned with. That is, where do you stand before God? Do you stand condemned or are you justified by the grace of Christ?
Furthermore, in the context of the Sermon on the Mount Jesus compares that group with the those who profess Christ but their actions prove otherwise (Matthew 7:15-20). This leads to verses 21-23.
The principles taught in the Sermon on the Mount are far out of reach that they are only able to be lived out through a relationship with Christ. That's one reason why the people marveled at the conclusion of Jesus' teaching.
To be a Christian is not all about love, for there are many who love but do not believe. Love, as 1 John says, is vital for "he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he as not seen" (1 John 4:20). Because of the work God wrought in our sinful hearts love is an outpour of the grace of Jesus. "We love because he first loved us" (1 John 4:19).
But sadly you are correct in your assessment. There are many Christians who profess Jesus with their lips but their lifestyle speaks a different story. Therefore those who profess Christ must be like the tree in Matthew 7:17. We must bear good fruit.
Maybe Judas wasn't a christian. I don't know. I thought the 12 disciples was christians. Jesus was running around with thugs? I beg to differ. Judas was a follower of Christ. He just loved money like the preachers of today. Martyr's, Peter wasn't no darn Muslim. You really think I am sam sauagehead. martyr's, that's for muslims, not christian.
tapmcfarland

Leesville, LA

#18 Dec 17, 2011
i celebrate christmas but as a family gather and a tradition in which we do remember the birth of Jesus. but i think this holiday has become too comercialized. and there is a history as to why some think it is false worship. some say this holdiay is a roman pagan holiday which was saturnalia. the romans hated and killed christians. the date of Jesus birth is not known. in the early times the celbration was in september then moved to january then december. the birth of Jesus was for him to teach and to die. no where in the bible does it claim or command to celebrate his birth. it does say to remember and have a memorial for his death. 1 Corinthians 11:23-25,Luke 22:19. also in the bible God commands us not to utter the words "nicholos or nicholaitanes meaning nimrod this is found in Revelations, stating the very words an abomination. in early american christmas was considered a pagan holiday, it did not become a holiday till 1800's in america. in early europe it was banned by oliver cromwell as pagan worship. the bible does not state to celebrate christmas but it does not say not to either. it does state to stay away from pagan worship and false gods. Jesus came to earth to die. Luke 2: 25-28, also Jesus knew the mirth of his disciples before they were chosen. when Jesus got older he knew his fate was death. he knew it was his death that would save man. yet we celebrate his birth more so then his death. we were commanded not to celebrate his birth but his death, its in the bible. Luke 22: 19-20 someone give me the scripture where it commands the celebration of Jesus birth or the celebration of christmas or to celebrate st nick. not saying i dont follow the tradition but i dont think everyone has the history or biblical facts. i could be confused. it happens.

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#19 Dec 17, 2011
merry christmas and happy holidays from troy and angie and the rest of our family!!!!!!!

we hope and wish for all of the love and compassion inside each of us to shine through in difficult times for so many and that everyone enjoys this holiday season. the best of everything for everyone.

that's about all i have to say on this......
tapmcfarland

Leesville, LA

#20 Dec 17, 2011
swamp people wrote:
merry christmas and happy holidays from troy and angie and the rest of our family!!!!!!!
we hope and wish for all of the love and compassion inside each of us to shine through in difficult times for so many and that everyone enjoys this holiday season. the best of everything for everyone.
that's about all i have to say on this......
well said, i think thats what its about. "love and compassion" you and a few others always seem to nail it. nice! i sometimes ruin things with "history" cant help it is a curse.

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