Trayvon Martin Debate - Stroudsburg, PA

Discuss the national Trayvon Martin debate in Stroudsburg, PA.

What's your reaction to the Trayvon Martin Case?

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Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#520 Apr 10, 2012
Jeff Woehrle wrote:
<quoted text>
Your posts are evidence of a soft mind.
Soft and easily manipulated by a media that played you like a cheap boardwalk game.
And you STILL don't get it.
A testimony to America's intellectual decline.
then provide your evidence that Trayvon was a gangbanger or a thug? What evidence do you have? Then explain why you make it out to seem that Zimmerman, the guy with the known violent history is so innocent.

Why? Because you're a racist.

“Not an Obumble Voter!”

Since: Dec 08

Bar Harbor, ME

#521 Apr 10, 2012
sofa_king_cool wrote:
<quoted text>There you go again racist. You say white guy vs the gangbanging thug. Which one is the gangbanging thug? The black guy. The black guy that was not in a gang nor has he ever been implicated in any violent act. The killer has.
Your white guilt is showing.

Psst: Zimmerman is Hispanic. Find another scapegoat. America has moved past the media lies and manipulation. You stand alone in your futile struggle to perpetuate the media falsehoods.

:-)
cabin

East Stroudsburg, PA

#522 Apr 10, 2012
sofa_king_cool wrote:
<quoted text>I'm the white guy defending the innocent black kid. How racist of me.
They BOTH are kids.

The only difference between you and jeff is who you demonize without knowing the facts.

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#523 Apr 10, 2012
I hear racism is making a big comeback since it has been proven useful to certain political parties!

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#524 Apr 10, 2012
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120409/A...

Did they ask if he was liberal or conservative?

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#525 Apr 10, 2012
Jeff Woehrle wrote:
<quoted text>
Your white guilt is showing.
Psst: Zimmerman is Hispanic. Find another scapegoat. America has moved past the media lies and manipulation. You stand alone in your futile struggle to perpetuate the media falsehoods.
:-)
I'm not calling Zimmerman white nor Hispanic. He's a killer of an kid that was armed with skittles.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#526 Apr 10, 2012
cabin wrote:
<quoted text>
They BOTH are kids.
The only difference between you and jeff is who you demonize without knowing the facts.
I know for a fact that Zimmerman was arrested numerous times for violent acts and was fired from a job as security for being overzealous and injuring a girl at a party.

Jeff is calling the black kid a thug and a gangbanger. What evidence does he have?
cabin

East Stroudsburg, PA

#527 Apr 10, 2012
sofa_king_cool wrote:
<quoted text>I know for a fact that Zimmerman was arrested numerous times for violent acts and was fired from a job as security for being overzealous and injuring a girl at a party.
Jeff is calling the black kid a thug and a gangbanger. What evidence does he have?
Not one of those things is a fact related to this matter.

In truth he was never charged of anything IIRC.

The one thing we can be sure of is there is no evidence in support of the murder charge.

I still stand by my contention that this is a matter of two kids both making bad choices and one got killed.

“Not an Obumble Voter!”

Since: Dec 08

Bar Harbor, ME

#528 Apr 10, 2012
cabin wrote:
<quoted text>
They BOTH are kids.
The only difference between you and jeff is who you demonize without knowing the facts.
I knew someone would get it sooner or later. Sofa is just a little to occupied with his media-driven agenda.

Bingo.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#529 Apr 10, 2012
sofa_king_cool wrote:
<quoted text>By rules prescribed to neighborhood watch groups... Yes. He can stay home and be armed if he likes.
Try this. He was on his way to the store when he saw an unknown suspicious acting person. He doesn't need to stay home and be armed.

Since: Nov 11

Jacksonville, FL

#530 Apr 10, 2012
America and its people simply just need to be careful of its laws, actions and decisions. I expect stupid reckless incidents to happen like this one in a world that is at war with neighboring nations, promoted by stupid media, led by awful governments, and supported by stupid voters who allow all the above to turn themselves against one another. Not to mention that this case will then be tried by a stupid bias judicial system and jury who will either have the favor of the shooter or the favor of the victim who we are still waiting to get more facts on. Our younger generations are all near hybrids of blacks, whites, Indians and Hispanics. The issues of white versus black should be nearly resolved. But unfortunately the hate still exists between the two extreme opposites of this world, Whites and Blacks. If people don’t find a medium the two races will cancel each other out. Like Stacy (host) of Enlightening the Minds Radio said,“Everyone in this world need to go to the gym and learn how to fight and stop resulting to their cowardly guns just because they can’t defend themselves.” Zimmerman should not have “stood his ground” after all if he couldn’t fight and if he was a sorry coward. He shouldn’t have even been a neighborhood watch guy for those very reasons. If you have a problem with another person then “be a warrior” and stand toe to toe with him; and may the best man wins. But all people would have to be on the same understanding and abolish guns. But it’s understood that people don’t want just their governments to have guns and they not have them and be defenseless. So it’s a “catch 22.”

enlighteningthemind.com
KeepGitmoOpen

Allentown, PA

#531 Apr 10, 2012
sofa_king_cool wrote:
<quoted text>Right. So he doesn't have to follow the rules.
just proves you are wrong yet again dont ask question man up and admit you are WRONG AGAIN!!!

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#532 Apr 10, 2012
cabin wrote:
<quoted text>
Not one of those things is a fact related to this matter.
In truth he was never charged of anything IIRC.
The one thing we can be sure of is there is no evidence in support of the murder charge.
I still stand by my contention that this is a matter of two kids both making bad choices and one got killed.
Those facts are related to one being called a thug and a gangbanger and it isn't the one known to have been violent in the past.
As for not being charged... It certainly helps to have a father that is a district magistrate in the district one is arrested.
Who said anything about murder. The investigating officer wanted a charge of manslaughter. One of those "kids" is a minor, the other is 28 years old. I'm quite sure few people would call a 28 year old a kid.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#533 Apr 10, 2012
hennypennyhag wrote:
<quoted text>
Try this. He was on his way to the store when he saw an unknown suspicious acting person. He doesn't need to stay home and be armed.
And by the Stand Your Ground law, he doesn't have the right to follow and pursue and still use the Stand Your Ground law. If he was at the store and approached by a would be assailant, then he would be able to stand his ground. Following and pursuing negates that STAND YOUR GROUND defense.
cabin

East Stroudsburg, PA

#534 Apr 10, 2012
sofa_king_cool wrote:
<quoted text>Those facts are related to one being called a thug and a gangbanger and it isn't the one known to have been violent in the past.
As for not being charged... It certainly helps to have a father that is a district magistrate in the district one is arrested.
Who said anything about murder. The investigating officer wanted a charge of manslaughter. One of those "kids" is a minor, the other is 28 years old. I'm quite sure few people would call a 28 year old a kid.
ANYONE younger than my son-in-law is a kid.

He is not being charged with murder one because the evidence is not there to support the charges. In fact the case seems so weak that Corey wants to avoid a grand jury throwing the matter out completly. Me thinks she will charge him with something just to 'calm the waters'.
Juan0842

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#535 Apr 10, 2012
Ok, there is no statement on any report or transcript of the phone conversation with the police, that suggest that George was fallowing Trayvon, to date said statement that George was following Trayvon is a manufactured comment with no supporting evidence. When George first described Trayvon to the police operator, per the phone conversation on transcript, George was not near to Trayvon, This is a FACT per the phone transcript, George had stopped his car far enough, where he had problem giving the operator a good description of Trayvon, this action are not indicative of someone who is looking for a confrontation, more so of a cautious individual, concern for his safety. In fact George on other incidents where he has called the police, was recorded articulating the facts that he refuses to get any closer to the suspicious person he was calling about.
George's father on a television interview said that George got out of the car because he could not give the police the exact address to where he was at in the gated community. The street that he was on had no street sign that could be identified from the wide walkway from where he had encounter Trayvon, and as illustrated by the local TV news , both sides of the back of the houses faced the Walkway. This was the reason why George could not give the operator the exact address and was confused as to which entrance the police needed to come in through, ending up initially suggesting the rear entrance to the gated community. This is all documented on the police transcripts of said call.
George then tells the operator that Trayvon took off running, this statement suggest that George was not close to Trayvon and not a threat to Trayvon. The police recording does not indicated that George took off after Trayvon as they would have heard and recorded George running and or the heavy breathing. Again evidence that George was not trying to get close to Trayvon.
Per George's father statement on his TV interview, who by his public statement has made himself a witness and compromises his son if what he said in the interview did not match exactly what his son told the police. His father said "George having lost Trayvon as he ran away, decides to walk to the far end of the street to read the closes street sign, so he could give the police an exact location". George's father continues to say, that George was complying with the safety advice the police operator had given him, to return to his car.(Note: operators have no police authorities, or the weight of the law to tell anyone to stop following a suspicious person, unless they can articulate an obstruction of an ongoing police investigation, The reason why George was told to go back to his car was only for his safety)
George's father continued to recount during the interview and said, "This is when Trayvon revealed himself from the side of a house to George's left, and told George, "do you have a problem with me", George says no! Trayvon then said, "well now you do" and punched George on the nose, jumps on top of George and began to pound George's head against the payment on the side walk. Georges father then says that at a point during the struggle the gun is revealed and Trayvon said. "someone is going to die here", and thereafter George end up shooting Trayvon.
Now, if the statements by George do not match the forensic evidence collected, like blood splatter, gun powder residue, bullet trajectory, muscle positioning as the bullet entered Trayvon's body ,etc... Then it's possible depending on how strong that evidence is, that George can be arrested.
Juan0842

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#536 Apr 10, 2012
Per, the evidence above mention, this is the likely scenario of what occurred the night of the shooting.
But first since there is no direction to the positioning of the Incident, as we all viewed the scene on the television news, let's make it up for the sake of illustration.

First. Trayvon was on the wide walkway in between the back of the houses when George first observed him, as implied by the police transcript, of the call by George. For the sake of illustration lets agree that the walkway runs east to west.
We know that George drove up (on the street) to where he first observed Trayvon, the street as viewed on the news seem to have a semi-circle outline to it. Lets agree here for the sake of illustration that the street in question runs north and south.
Now here is my likely scenario of what occurred, George stops his car on the street as he sees Trayvon east of him on the walkway, and calls the police, George can't fully identify Trayvon because he is sufficiently far for his safety, While George was on with the police he says that Trayvon took off running. That statement can only suggest that Trayvon ran away from George and likely east bound. Georges father said in the interview that George then went to the nearest corner to read the street sign to give the police an address. That would mean that George did not followed Trayvon in an easterly direction on the walkway but rather George walked north to the nearest street sign. As he was walking back to his car, after Per George's father Trayvon approached George from George's left (east). I can only deduce, again from the only evidence available, One, the police call transcript and two, George's statement to the police as recounted by his father, that George never followed Trayvon and that Trayvon doubled back purposely to attack George for likely disrespecting him, the motivating battle cry of our young blacks.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#537 Apr 10, 2012
cabin wrote:
<quoted text>
ANYONE younger than my son-in-law is a kid.
He is not being charged with murder one because the evidence is not there to support the charges. In fact the case seems so weak that Corey wants to avoid a grand jury throwing the matter out completly. Me thinks she will charge him with something just to 'calm the waters'.
Who said he should be charged with murder? MANSLAUGHTER is the charge recommended by the investigating officer. There is a difference.
So as your son-in-law gets older, the definition of a kid gets older?
Would you rather me just say a minor and an adult?
The fact that Corey isn't using a grand jury does not mean the matter is being thrown out. A State prosecutor can charge without the use of a Grand Jury.
Corey, assigned to oversee the investigation, announced Monday that she would not present the controversial shooting case to a grand jury. A grand jury set to convene Tuesday was canceled.
"The decision should not be considered a factor in the final determination of the case," Corey's office said.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/10/justice/florida...

What's even more telling is the fact that George Zimmerman's defense lawyers are dropping him as a client.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#538 Apr 10, 2012
Juan0842 wrote:
Ok, there is no statement on any report or transcript of the phone conversation with the police, that suggest that George was fallowing Trayvon, to date said statement that George was following Trayvon is a manufactured comment with no supporting evidence. When George first described Trayvon to the police operator, per the phone conversation on transcript, George was not near to Trayvon, This is a FACT per the phone transcript, George had stopped his car far enough, where he had problem giving the operator a good description of Trayvon, this action are not indicative of someone who is looking for a confrontation, more so of a cautious individual, concern for his safety. In fact George on other incidents where he has called the police, was recorded articulating the facts that he refuses to get any closer to the suspicious person he was calling about.
George's father on a television interview said that George got out of the car because he could not give the police the exact address to where he was at in the gated community. The street that he was on had no street sign that could be identified from the wide walkway from where he had encounter Trayvon, and as illustrated by the local TV news , both sides of the back of the houses faced the Walkway. This was the reason why George could not give the operator the exact address and was confused as to which entrance the police needed to come in through, ending up initially suggesting the rear entrance to the gated community. This is all documented on the police transcripts of said call.
George then tells the operator that Trayvon took off running, this statement suggest that George was not close to Trayvon and not a threat to Trayvon. The police recording does not indicated that George took off after Trayvon as they would have heard and recorded George running and or the heavy breathing. Again evidence that George was not trying to get close to Trayvon.
Per George's father statement on his TV interview, who by his public statement has made himself a witness and compromises his son if what he said in the interview did not match exactly what his son told the police. His father said "George having lost Trayvon as he ran away, decides to walk to the far end of the street to read the closes street sign, so he could give the police an exact location"....
Actually the transcript does prove, using Zimmerman's words, that he was following a running Martin.
Zimmerman:

Uh, huh.

Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out.

He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is.[01:20]

911 dispatcher:

Let me know if he does anything, OK?

Zimmerman:

OK.

911 dispatcher:

We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

Zimmerman:

OK.

These assholes. They always get away.

When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and you go left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[1:39]

911 dispatcher:

OK, so it’s on the left hand side of the clubhouse?

Zimmerman:

Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left.

He’s running.[2:08]

911 dispatcher:

He’s running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman:

Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood.[2:14]

911 dispatcher:

OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?

Zimmerman:

The back entrance.

[It sounds like Zimmerman says under his breath,‘F-ing coons’ at 2:22]

NOTE:

[Listen here at 1:17 for CNN's edited frame]
911 dispatcher:

Are you following him?[2:24]

Zimmerman:

Yeah.[2:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK.

We don’t need you to do that.[2:26]

Zimmerman:

OK.[2:28]
Juan0842

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#539 Apr 10, 2012
sofa_king_cool wrote:
<quoted text>Actually the transcript does prove, using Zimmerman's words, that he was following a running Martin.
Zimmerman:
Uh, huh.
Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out.
He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is.[01:20]
911 dispatcher:
Let me know if he does anything, OK?
Zimmerman:
OK.
911 dispatcher:
We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Zimmerman:
OK.
These assholes. They always get away.
When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and you go left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.[1:39]
911 dispatcher:
OK, so it’s on the left hand side of the clubhouse?
Zimmerman:
Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left.
He’s running.[2:08]
911 dispatcher:
He’s running? Which way is he running?
Zimmerman:
Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood.[2:14]
911 dispatcher:
OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?
Zimmerman:
The back entrance.
[It sounds like Zimmerman says under his breath,‘F-ing coons’ at 2:22]
NOTE:
[Listen here at 1:17 for CNN's edited frame]
911 dispatcher:
Are you following him?[2:24]
Zimmerman:
Yeah.[2:25]
911 dispatcher:
OK.
We don’t need you to do that.[2:26]
Zimmerman:
OK.[2:28]
The following in question was later explained to have been visiual, again if it were not, like I said you would have heard George running and or breathing hard on the phone recording.

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