Trayvon Martin Debate - Bozeman, MT

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What's your reaction to the Trayvon Martin Case?

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mr b

Bozeman, MT

#1 Apr 10, 2012
the comunity watch dude should have followed police instructions and not followed trayvon, and to shoot a kid because he was scared for his life- really? maybe he was alergic to skittles.
Clyde B

Scott City, MO

#2 May 20, 2012
If that had been a Black man shooting a White man like that, he would have been in prison an hour after the shooting and would have had a bond so high no one could pay it.
Red Dog

United States

#3 Aug 5, 2012
Correction- it was the 911 dispatcher that suggested to Zimmermann not to follow for safety reasons, not the police as you suggest. Note 911 operators have no police authority as to procedure or commands.

Clyde B - Bond is only posted in an appropriate dollar amount as to guarantee your appearance in court when the trial date is set not determined on how much money you have or don't have .

Final thought Zimmerman is the one that had physical injuries after confrontation not Martin. Fact Martin was 17 years old 6 foot 3 inch 210 pounds not as media reports a minor child plus was in Sanford,Fl at fathers house due to being suspended at school for 10 day's due to drugs found on him. Travon Martin had his facebook account posted as a thug "Gangsta "

In Florida Zimmerman exercised the right and legal ( CCW ) permit carry a weapon only to be used upon your life being threatened or endangered don't think anyone disagrees with that. End result Martin was the aggressor. What that mean's don't provoke a gun fight armed with skittles and a ice tea. ZIMMERMAN is innocent. You might not like it but until concealed carry weapon laws are changed or not changed Zimmerman acted within the scope of the law.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#4 Aug 10, 2012
Red Dog wrote:
Correction- it was the 911 dispatcher that suggested to Zimmermann not to follow for safety reasons, not the police as you suggest. Note 911 operators have no police authority as to procedure or commands.
Clyde B - Bond is only posted in an appropriate dollar amount as to guarantee your appearance in court when the trial date is set not determined on how much money you have or don't have .
Final thought Zimmerman is the one that had physical injuries after confrontation not Martin. Fact Martin was 17 years old 6 foot 3 inch 210 pounds not as media reports a minor child plus was in Sanford,Fl at fathers house due to being suspended at school for 10 day's due to drugs found on him. Travon Martin had his facebook account posted as a thug "Gangsta "
In Florida Zimmerman exercised the right and legal ( CCW ) permit carry a weapon only to be used upon your life being threatened or endangered don't think anyone disagrees with that. End result Martin was the aggressor. What that mean's don't provoke a gun fight armed with skittles and a ice tea. ZIMMERMAN is innocent. You might not like it but until concealed carry weapon laws are changed or not changed Zimmerman acted within the scope of the law.
"Final thought Zimmerman is the one that had physical injuries after confrontation not Martin"

Really dude, did you read what you wrote. Travon Martin is DEAD.....I would have to say that's a pretty serious, final PHYSICAL INJURY! I don't believe that George's injuries we so severe that they needed to result in death. One video footage shows him with bandages on the back of his head, and he claims that he had deep gashes from Travon "bashing" his head onto the cement. Well, if you know anything about scars on the scalp that you will know that if the gash is as deep and severe as he claims, his hair would not grow back on that area.....HHHHMMMM look at his footage of the back of his head during the Sean Hannity interview and footage of him walking in and out of court....looks a lot like hair is growing back. Also why is there no facial pics of George from that night to document the "broken nose"? I have yet to see one...Red Dog, if you have one please post the link, I would love to see it. In a shooting that results in a death surely the police would have taken a picture of his injuries that night and in the days that follow (for documentation sake).
A lot of what he said in his interview with Sean Hannity doesn't add up.
Just because George had a legal permit to carry a weapon DOES NOT make him innocent
Red Dog

United States

#5 Aug 11, 2012
Dude you took my words out of context. Sure Travon had a serious injury DEATH but what I was referring to as why Zimmerman pulled out his Kel Tec 9 mm gun and shot Travon. Zimmerman lost sight of Travon and was returning back to his vehicle as instructed by 911 dispatcher when Travon doubled back and surprised Zimmerman approaching him saying " do you have a problem-Zimmerman no- Travon well you do now" Travon was on the phone with girlfriend she heard verbal exchange of words.
Zimmerman injuries: 1- fractured nose 2- two black eyes 3- two lacerations to back of scalp 3- back injury. Google for yourself too many links to post Google<George Zimmerman photo of nose> 10 listed on first page alone.
The reason Sanford police didn't charge Zimmerman they applied the stand your ground defense After Travon was bashing Zimmermans head in the concrete several times along with repeated punches to face. The only reason this case grew legs is because 30 days after incident Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton came to Orlando and organized a demonstration march against Zimmerman that is what civil rights leader's do, from that moment on case grew out of control as to what is has become today. What would your opinion be if Zimmerman would of tolerated assault and had more extensive injuries that resulted in his death ??? Think about it the gated community Zimmerman was watching, he was living there to. In the last 2 years 50 % of homes were broken into. What would be the purpose of having a neighborhood watch person that didn't watch ??
Dude you have a downhill argument if CCW permit holders do not use the weapon they carry when situations like this arise.
Facts are the Facts

United States

#6 Aug 11, 2012
Florida was the first state to enact " Stand your Ground Law " in 2005.

Florida crime rates have declined significantly between 2005 ( law enacted) to 2012 (present)

Florida State Statue Chapter 776 Section 776.013
<<<< Stand Your Ground Law >>>>
Quote from current law on the books.

" A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcibile felony "

Zimmerman was on neighborhood watch patrol, had a right to be in the subdivision, attempted to retreat from Trayvon, was met with physical violence,and therefore employed the use of his legal hand gun in defense of his life.

Sure it's tragic that Trayvon Martin lost his life, but per Florida law George Zimmerman did nothing illegal.

Maybe Zimmermans action were immoral, but most Definitely Not Illegal
Trayvon Trivia

United States

#7 Aug 11, 2012
A few unknown details about Trayvon:
1) Lawyer for Trayvons family seals all of his school records after death. WHY???
2) Trayvon looking good sporting his "RAIL" that is the term referred to wearing gold teeth insert.
3) Several large tatoo's Trayvon has aquired by age 17 one of which his mom's name ( Sylvia )
4)Trayvons My space/Twitter account list his screen name as @ no_Limit_N????, since tray,s death all his postings have been taken down.
5)Just days prior to Trayvons death He " swung on a bus driver" living at Moms house in Miami, Fl.
6)Trayvon received many request on My Space account from others requesting a "PLANT" unless Trayvon had a side deal selling orchids or some other type of flowers this might be code for drugs (Marijuana) leading speculation was Trayvon a small time drug dealer ?
7)A few facts the media has left out when they post that old photo of Trayvon at 13 years old, At time of death coroner list stat's as 17 years old, 5 feet 7 inches tall,weight of 203 pounds.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#8 Aug 11, 2012
RED DOG....Zimmerman should NEVER have continued to pursue Martin after the 911 dispatcher told him not too......FACT.....
you weren't there and nither was I.....FACT
NOONE will ever know what really happened that night other than Zimmerman..FACT
that being said OF COURSE Zimmerman is going to tell people what they want to hear in an effort of pleading innocence....
you failed to comment on my standings regarding his "so called injuries" to his scalp and some discrepancies to his original statement and those he made on Sean Hannity.....

This is your quote from the above post:
What that mean's don't provoke a gun fight armed with skittles and a ice tea....
that leads me to believe that YOU believe Martin "SAW" the gun....from my understanding and the evidence provided Zimmerman claims the gun was concealed UNTIL Martin "BASHED" his head against the cement...then Zimmerman struggled to get the gun out of his pants/pocket while he was on his back with Martin "on top of him"
Dude...Like I said....facts don't add up to George's innocence....I am curious why you are so PRO-Zimmerman...are you that closed minded that you cant see between the lines....
OH and we havent even touched base on his failure to disclose his monetary funding and what he was going to do with that?????

And by the way....out of context? Really I just read what you wrote...you can't go back on that and change your story!
Money Matters

United States

#9 Aug 16, 2012
For all that believe George Zimmerman is not guilty of the charge against him SECOND DEGREE MURDER filed by the state of FLORIDUH.

Website that will allow you to contribute to defense fund to defend the Legal rights of George Zimmerman.

Log on or Google ( gzdefensefund.com )any donation amount is acceptable.

The Castle Doctrine allows for the clause " Stand Your Ground " that is the actions of George.
RE youngmkaren

United States

#10 Aug 17, 2012
It would appear judging by your lack of post you have re -treated back to that hole you live in.
Don't feel bad you just didn't know or contain the facts you were speaking of.
Do not let this post discourage you from voicing your opinion in future but rather educate yourself on subject prior to punching keys on a keyboard.
Later on your buddy, RED DOG

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#11 Aug 19, 2012
RE youngmkaren wrote:
It would appear judging by your lack of post you have re -treated back to that hole you live in.
Don't feel bad you just didn't know or contain the facts you were speaking of.
Do not let this post discourage you from voicing your opinion in future but rather educate yourself on subject prior to punching keys on a keyboard.
Later on your buddy, RED DOG
Frankly, I was waiting for a lame ass remark from you....and you have failed yet again to comment on my remarks (see quotes below) other than to say I am uneducated in the subject....

"you failed to comment on my standings regarding his "so called injuries" to his scalp and some discrepancies to his original statement and those he made on Sean Hannity....."

"OH and we havent even touched base on his failure to disclose his monetary funding and what he was going to do with that?????"

Please try to enlighten me as to why you can defend someone that is clearly hiding information....
stickaneedleinmy eye

Bozeman, MT

#12 Aug 19, 2012
Youngmkaren should get HER facts straight on the Zimmerman case. You sound like a "wannabe know it all", "yet you know nothing".
2nd amendment

Bozeman, MT

#13 Aug 19, 2012
Dude-why have a CCP and confronted with violence and not use it? CCP states "if you fear for your life" Youngmkaren is narrow minded and can't "read between the lines" She/he needs an education!!
Try This

United States

#14 Aug 19, 2012
Youngmkaren,

Instead of singing that old tune you fail to believe George had injuries. Please follow my suggestion outlined couple post ago, Google " George Zimmerman photo injuries" there you will discover on first page alone site after site of photo injuries to Zimmerman. Think this is a better approach versus sitting on your brain on the couch watching Hanety.
Re-member being smart is knowing where to find the information not citing the Youngmkaren way of watching a television program meant to attract as many viewers as possible.

My goal is not to defend anyone I am more of an outcry to defend were there is an injustice. You on the other hand would rather jump on what's popular,see the difference in us. Guess thats one of the reasons I wear testicles.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#15 Aug 19, 2012
Try This wrote:
Youngmkaren,
Instead of singing that old tune you fail to believe George had injuries. Please follow my suggestion outlined couple post ago, Google " George Zimmerman photo injuries" there you will discover on first page alone site after site of photo injuries to Zimmerman. Think this is a better approach versus sitting on your brain on the couch watching Hanety.
Re-member being smart is knowing where to find the information not citing the Youngmkaren way of watching a television program meant to attract as many viewers as possible.
My goal is not to defend anyone I am more of an outcry to defend were there is an injustice. You on the other hand would rather jump on what's popular,see the difference in us. Guess thats one of the reasons I wear testicles.
OK if you "wear testicles" than learn how to spell because Hanety is spelled Hannity!!!
Good Observation

United States

#16 Aug 20, 2012
You got me there I did spell " Hannity " in error. But in my defense you knew who I was speaking of, plus the fact it just demonstrates my knowledge of the case does not originate from Television.

Another observation that was refreshing to note on your behalf I made, is that it appears your getting clued into the true facts that occurred that tragic evening.

Red Dog
Better Observation

United States

#17 Aug 30, 2012
Verdict should be Innocent/Not -Guilty
notta NBC zombie

Enfield, IL

#18 Feb 24, 2013
youngmkaren wrote:
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"Final thought Zimmerman is the one that had physical injuries after confrontation not Martin"
Really dude, did you read what you wrote. Travon Martin is DEAD.....I would have to say that's a pretty serious, final PHYSICAL INJURY! I don't believe that George's injuries we so severe that they needed to result in death. One video footage shows him with bandages on the back of his head, and he claims that he had deep gashes from Travon "bashing" his head onto the cement. Well, if you know anything about scars on the scalp that you will know that if the gash is as deep and severe as he claims, his hair would not grow back on that area.....HHHHMMMM look at his footage of the back of his head during the Sean Hannity interview and footage of him walking in and out of court....looks a lot like hair is growing back. Also why is there no facial pics of George from that night to document the "broken nose"? I have yet to see one...Red Dog, if you have one please post the link, I would love to see it. In a shooting that results in a death surely the police would have taken a picture of his injuries that night and in the days that follow (for documentation sake).
A lot of what he said in his interview with Sean Hannity doesn't add up.
Just because George had a legal permit to carry a weapon DOES NOT make him innocent
I like it when the self appointed injury police come out with"the z-man injuries weren't that bad .The same people would mac 10 a person and put a price on a dudes head for being charged with a crime.
Tolerance is a virtue

Cary, NC

#19 Feb 26, 2013
If "stand your ground" is being used to support Zimmerman, why hasn't anyone pointed out that Trayvon Martin was the one APPROACHED. Therefore, Martin should be the only person able to use "stand your ground", NOT Zimmerman.

I believe this "stand your ground" reasoning is an example of a backwards spin --- possibly to discourage the rightful party from using it to their advantage??

Critical thinking can go a long way in cases like these.
FACT Check

United States

#20 Feb 26, 2013
Zimmie initially was attempting to follow Martin, but for forgo that action after he lost visual sight of him, then advised by 911 dispatcher that won't be needed. As zimmie was retreating back to safety of car it was Martin that doubled back and surprised Zimmerman between two buildings on back side ( you can google shooting location to better view it ) At that point Martin provoked the fight and while on top of Zimmie beating him , Zimmerman withdrew from his holster a 9 mm kel tec pistol and fired 1 shot into Martin around his liver bullet traveled to heart area in return took the life of Martin right away. Now back to stand your ground defense, and your right it is not a defense if you are the agressor. In this case Martin is the agressor of the physical conflict which in turn Zimmie resorted to Castle Doctrine law namely " stand your ground defense " Any loss of life is tragic, but in this case Zimmerman is guilty of nothing but defending himself from a violent assault from Martin. Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him into submission not the other way around. This is why Zimmerman is innocent of second degree murder charge.

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