Immigrants & K-12 Debate - Phoenix, AZ

Discuss the national Immigrants & K-12 debate in Phoenix, AZ.

Should America provide K-12 schooling for young illegal immigrants?

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klh

Wichita Falls, TX

#2 Dec 20, 2011
why should we be providing an education to someone that is (1) here illegally and (2) not paying into the system?
Martha

Phoenix, AZ

#3 Dec 20, 2011
klh wrote:
why should we be providing an education to someone that is (1) here illegally and (2) not paying into the system?
Agreed.
Obamas Watergate

Monrovia, CA

#4 Dec 20, 2011
Gee, my first post of this disappeared. Wonder what happened....

Want to solve the immigration problem? Stop corruption on both sides of the border.

Recipe for genocide (current day Mexico):

1) International bankers completely buy off a spineless puppet government

2) Guns are outlawed for ordinary citizens to "protect the people" (If Mexico wants their country back they need overturn the gun ban and arm innocent civilians so they can protect themselves -they also need to legalize drugs to put the drug cartels out of business -and their corrupt government knows it)

3) The corrupt church (Catholic in this case) tells people this can all be solved by praying for a better tommorow and by a donation to their world church

4) The international banker's private security force ,In this case the CIA, starts assasinating anyone that tries to get the message out -blaming it on drug related violence that they create a.k.a. Obama and Holders Fast and Furious program modeled after the Iran-Contra deal

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/bank...

5) Kids are forced to take a live cancer shot (Gardasil) to attend school -The shot is said to protect against cancer when it actually infects kids with cancer- Never let your kids take this shot , we did just fine without out it all these years:

http://trenches.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/the-...

And yes they are creating race-specific killer viruses targeting race-specific genetic markers

http://www.byroncrawford.com/2009/04/is-mexic...

Thus the genocide continues because the people just take it...

Genocides are usually hidden in plain sight. Like recessions -we only agree they've occured when they are over and in the history books.

Do you really want to allow this in America next?

Get informed:

http://rss.infowars.com/Alex.rss

Mexico needs to have a revolution right now to fix this before they are exterminated en masse. Running from one country to the next is not an option anymore.

There is no where to run as this tyranny is going global using the same tactics. They can fix their drug problems easily by legalizing drugs so the drug cartels go out of business overnight due to there being no money in this.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...

Beware...

Governor Jerry Brown just passed Gardasil legislation in CA where young kids no longer need parental consent to get the Gardasil shot at school. Expect this in your state soon.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/10/ab499-pass...

Regarding Gardasil, parents will bankrupt themselves handing over every last penny of their life savings to the medical industry to help their kid fight cancer. This is pure evil. The medical industry gets rich of this type of blood money.

Don't let anyone scare/brainwash your kids into getting this killer shot! The flu shots and some vaccinations are already linked to alzheimers, autism and cancer.

Will they start showing Gardasil scare-tactic/propaganda movies to kids in the classroom using peer pressure to get them to take the shot at school without parent's permission? Who knows...

The ellites and their bought out government puppets are out of control. It's now proven they tried to use this illegal gun running program to overturn the 2nd ammendmant and disarm America. It has taken American lives and proven this administration is completley illegitimate. Bush stated it, Obama/Holder expanded it. Is this change you can believe in?

This is Obama's Watergate and it will cost him the 2012 election. They've undersestimated the damage -give it time...
sheba

United States

#5 Dec 20, 2011
"Youhave no longer any cause to fear danger from abroad....It is from within, among yourselves, from cupidity, from corruption, from dissapointed ambition and inordinate thirst for power, that factions will be formed and liberty endangered. It is against such designs, whatever disguise the actors may assume, that you have especially to guard yourselves. You have the highest of human trusts committed to your care. Providence has showered on this favored land blessings without number and has chosen you as the guardians of freedom to preserve it for the benifit of the human race. May He enable you, with pure hearts and pure hands and sleepless dilligence, to guard and defend to the of time the great charge he has committed to your keeping. I thank God my life has been spent in a land of liberty"
175 years later, I believe these words are truer than ever. You spoke of the dis-arming of mexican citizens. There are those here and now trying to see that this happens to us. Taking away an education from someone who may well be a good future citizen is as bad as our government taking our guns.
"We have inadvertenly engaged in a kind of unilateral intellectual disarmament which could well prove more devestating to the cause of liberty than would the voluntary destuction of our arsenals."
You can't expect uneducated people to be able to care for themselves and in turn contribute back to society.
Where else would an immigrant become more "Americanized" than in our schools?

Since: Jun 10

Phoenix, AZ

#6 Dec 20, 2011
sheba wrote:
"Youhave no longer any cause to fear danger from abroad....It is from within, among yourselves, from cupidity, from corruption, from dissapointed ambition and inordinate thirst for power, that factions will be formed and liberty endangered. It is against such designs, whatever disguise the actors may assume, that you have especially to guard yourselves. You have the highest of human trusts committed to your care. Providence has showered on this favored land blessings without number and has chosen you as the guardians of freedom to preserve it for the benifit of the human race. May He enable you, with pure hearts and pure hands and sleepless dilligence, to guard and defend to the of time the great charge he has committed to your keeping. I thank God my life has been spent in a land of liberty"
175 years later, I believe these words are truer than ever. You spoke of the dis-arming of mexican citizens. There are those here and now trying to see that this happens to us. Taking away an education from someone who may well be a good future citizen is as bad as our government taking our guns.
"We have inadvertenly engaged in a kind of unilateral intellectual disarmament which could well prove more devestating to the cause of liberty than would the voluntary destuction of our arsenals."
You can't expect uneducated people to be able to care for themselves and in turn contribute back to society.
Where else would an immigrant become more "Americanized" than in our schools?
********** illegal immigrants?*********

Let them pay for it them selves. or go back where they came from.

*********Not with my taxes. Thank you**********
sheba

United States

#8 Dec 20, 2011
Arizona Spirit wrote:
<quoted text>
********** illegal immigrants?*********
Let them pay for it them selves. or go back where they came from.
*********Not with my taxes. Thank you**********
my husband the illegal, has ALWAYS paid taxes. More of them do than you think. I know ways of thinking can be changed because I used to harbor the same attitude. I would go out of my way to cross the street to avoid a group of hispanics I assumed were illegal, because I thought they might rob me. I would cringe to see groups standing on corners waiting for a chance to work. Wonder, why can't they just learn how to speak english? When my walls fell, I was ashamed at myslef for the way I thought and acted. Why are we too good to learn a new language? I am proud my children and I speak 2 languages and I'm not stopping there. Attitude is everything.
Fred Mertz

Gilbert, AZ

#9 Dec 20, 2011
Every freebie we offer illegal aliens just acts as a magnet to draw even more.

Since: Jun 10

Phoenix, AZ

#10 Dec 21, 2011
sheba wrote:
<quoted text>my husband the illegal, has ALWAYS paid taxes. More of them do than you think. I know ways of thinking can be changed because I used to harbor the same attitude. I would go out of my way to cross the street to avoid a group of hispanics I assumed were illegal, because I thought they might rob me. I would cringe to see groups standing on corners waiting for a chance to work. Wonder, why can't they just learn how to speak english? When my walls fell, I was ashamed at myslef for the way I thought and acted. Why are we too good to learn a new language? I am proud my children and I speak 2 languages and I'm not stopping there. Attitude is everything.
********** ""illegal immigrants?"" *********

Let them pay for it them selves. or "go back where they came from."

********* "Not with my taxes."
Thank you**********

They and you and your children have the same opportunity in their own country. If not then go home and change it.
Don’t try and change America. Don’t bend our laws to fit “your needs”
sheba

United States

#11 Dec 21, 2011
Arizona Spirit wrote:
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********** ""illegal immigrants?"" *********
Let them pay for it them selves. or "go back where they came from."
********* "Not with my taxes."
Thank you**********
They and you and your children have the same opportunity in their own country. If not then go home and change it.
Don’t try and change America. Don’t bend our laws to fit “your needs”
this is our home.

Since: Jun 10

Phoenix, AZ

#12 Dec 21, 2011
sheba wrote:
<quoted text>this is our home.
*** Only if you are here legally!****
sheba

United States

#13 Dec 21, 2011
Arizona Spirit wrote:
<quoted text>
*** Only if you are here legally!****
if it would make you happy for my children and I to go somewhere based on our genetic heretige, and not where we were born and grew up, I guess it would be sweden. I hear the people are wonderful there. My great-great grandfather Anders Perrson Lofgren came here in 1862. I don't know of his "legal" status. I suppose I don't have any rights here any more than everyone else. People have forgotten what our founding fathers established here, the ideas they wished to preserve.
At my work one day, a yound Indian couple walked in together. The place fell silent, and everyone stared at them, then clear as a bell someone states, "Wow! Arabs!" I was so embarresed I wanted to disappear. I could sense their offense being refered to as Arab, and being stared at by a bunch of fat Americans. Its no wonder the rest of the world hates us as a country. We are spoiled and arrogant. I only speak from my experience, growing up between Phoenix and a small community in northern arizona, and spending time in France and Guatemala. I have not been close to everywhere and can't possibly know everyones perspective. I only have my experiences and what I can see from history. The answer isn't deport them all. We are too over-lapped as a country and a people. Gentle persuasion can be far more effective than raging or bullying when it comes to breaking down walls of custom, no matter how old or new they are. But this is not the American way, and we have made many enemies. I want to be proud of my fellow-Americans, not embsarresed and ashamed of the things that come out of their big mouths and the way they treat complete strangers. Bin-Laden had every reason to call us a nation of hypocrites. We must change on an individual level before we can change the world view of us.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#15 Dec 21, 2011
sheba wrote:
"Youhave no longer any cause to fear danger from abroad....It is from within, among yourselves, from cupidity, from corruption, from dissapointed ambition and inordinate thirst for power, that factions will be formed and liberty endangered. It is against such designs, whatever disguise the actors may assume, that you have especially to guard yourselves. You have the highest of human trusts committed to your care. Providence has showered on this favored land blessings without number and has chosen you as the guardians of freedom to preserve it for the benifit of the human race. May He enable you, with pure hearts and pure hands and sleepless dilligence, to guard and defend to the of time the great charge he has committed to your keeping. I thank God my life has been spent in a land of liberty"
175 years later, I believe these words are truer than ever. You spoke of the dis-arming of mexican citizens. There are those here and now trying to see that this happens to us. Taking away an education from someone who may well be a good future citizen is as bad as our government taking our guns.
"We have inadvertenly engaged in a kind of unilateral intellectual disarmament which could well prove more devestating to the cause of liberty than would the voluntary destuction of our arsenals."
You can't expect uneducated people to be able to care for themselves and in turn contribute back to society.
Where else would an immigrant become more "Americanized" than in our schools?
Yes, agree the danger is from within, from those who come here and have no intents of being American citizens. Whether they come from south of the border or from some other foreign country.
sheba

United States

#16 Dec 21, 2011
Dar R - Arizona wrote:
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Yes, agree the danger is from within, from those who come here and have no intents of being American citizens. Whether they come from south of the border or from some other foreign country.
these people want to be citizens. It is next to impossible to attain. Residing illegaly is the next best option for their children. The danger is the ever growing abuse of powers, and hatred for that which we do not understand.
Drama Queen

Ambridge, PA

#17 Dec 21, 2011
Illegals are breaking the law and they have NO rights here!!! They are breaking us financially and I have seen for myself what they are all about..There may be a few that are truly sincere about wanting a better life but there are more that want to create a Northern Mexico!!! I have dealt with them personally and I have no use for the lawbreakers!!! Sorry, they need to go!!!

Since: Apr 10

Chandler, AZ

#18 Dec 23, 2011
Absolutely not! Not only are they getting a free education but they are also receiving free meals at breakfast and lunch year around. Shall we discuss where and how they get their healthcare? That's another boondoggle altogether.
Common Sense

Gilbert, AZ

#20 Dec 25, 2011
They are here ILLEGALLY! We should not be providing them with things reserved for legal residents.
John

Lansdale, PA

#21 Dec 25, 2011
sheba wrote:
"Youhave no longer any cause to fear danger from abroad....It is from within, among yourselves, from cupidity, from corruption, from dissapointed ambition and inordinate thirst for power, that factions will be formed and liberty endangered. It is against such designs, whatever disguise the actors may assume, that you have especially to guard yourselves. You have the highest of human trusts committed to your care. Providence has showered on this favored land blessings without number and has chosen you as the guardians of freedom to preserve it for the benifit of the human race. May He enable you, with pure hearts and pure hands and sleepless dilligence, to guard and defend to the of time the great charge he has committed to your keeping. I thank God my life has been spent in a land of liberty"
175 years later, I believe these words are truer than ever. You spoke of the dis-arming of mexican citizens. There are those here and now trying to see that this happens to us. Taking away an education from someone who may well be a good future citizen is as bad as our government taking our guns.
"We have inadvertenly engaged in a kind of unilateral intellectual disarmament which could well prove more devestating to the cause of liberty than would the voluntary destuction of our arsenals."
You can't expect uneducated people to be able to care for themselves and in turn contribute back to society.
Where else would an immigrant become more "Americanized" than in our schools?
I agree with you with one caviot, they must wait in line and become LEGAL!
John

Lansdale, PA

#22 Dec 25, 2011
sheba wrote:
<quoted text>if it would make you happy for my children and I to go somewhere based on our genetic heretige, and not where we were born and grew up, I guess it would be sweden. I hear the people are wonderful there. My great-great grandfather Anders Perrson Lofgren came here in 1862. I don't know of his "legal" status. I suppose I don't have any rights here any more than everyone else. People have forgotten what our founding fathers established here, the ideas they wished to preserve.
At my work one day, a yound Indian couple walked in together. The place fell silent, and everyone stared at them, then clear as a bell someone states, "Wow! Arabs!" I was so embarresed I wanted to disappear. I could sense their offense being refered to as Arab, and being stared at by a bunch of fat Americans. Its no wonder the rest of the world hates us as a country. We are spoiled and arrogant. I only speak from my experience, growing up between Phoenix and a small community in northern arizona, and spending time in France and Guatemala. I have not been close to everywhere and can't possibly know everyones perspective. I only have my experiences and what I can see from history. The answer isn't deport them all. We are too over-lapped as a country and a people. Gentle persuasion can be far more effective than raging or bullying when it comes to breaking down walls of custom, no matter how old or new they are. But this is not the American way, and we have made many enemies. I want to be proud of my fellow-Americans, not embsarresed and ashamed of the things that come out of their big mouths and the way they treat complete strangers. Bin-Laden had every reason to call us a nation of hypocrites. We must change on an individual level before we can change the world view of us.
It is pointless to have a discussion with you you simply want to modify our laws to suite your needs. Your rambling logic does nothing but hide the truth and that is you are here illegally! It is rude of you to ignore the truth.
John

Lansdale, PA

#23 Dec 25, 2011
sheba wrote:
<quoted text>these people want to be citizens. It is next to impossible to attain. Residing illegaly is the next best option for their children. The danger is the ever growing abuse of powers, and hatred for that which we do not understand.
Wrong again you are making excuses to suite your needs.
My friends daughter in law just became legal after 2 years. She did it the right way by waiting in line!
sheba

Phoenix, AZ

#24 Dec 27, 2011
John wrote:
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It is pointless to have a discussion with you you simply want to modify our laws to suite your needs. Your rambling logic does nothing but hide the truth and that is you are here illegally! It is rude of you to ignore the truth.
if you're not going to read what I post you don't need to reply to me. I was born here numb-nuts. My husband has been here since he was a baby. He graduated, speaks english and has ALWAYS paid taxes. I'm just saying he has done all the things a citizen does ALL of his life. He has a family to care for. Why break up the family for 2-4 years when there is not guarantee they will let him come back? There are thousands in our situation.
And further more, I'm not trying to bend laws to fit my needs. I am simply speaking out against all the hate that gets thrown around by people who think "mexicans" are to blame for all the crime that happens. I understand, I'm blonde haired, blued eyed, the best kind of white there is (sarcasm). I know how they think because I used to also. There is a better way, blood isn't the only asnwer and that's what some people want to see right now

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