Immigrants & K-12 Debate - Minneapolis, MN

Discuss the national Immigrants & K-12 debate in Minneapolis, MN.

Should America provide K-12 schooling for young illegal immigrants?

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JTY

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Dec 19, 2011
 
You forgot to add the US war on drugs.
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Dec 19, 2011
 
JTY wrote:
You forgot to add the US war on drugs.
-however there is only so much you can fit in a single post -sh!t would you really have read any more? Didn't your eyes fall out after that ...All jokes aside thanks for giving it a once over.

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Dec 20, 2011
 
Every person deserves an education. It is how they learn the laws and the ways to interact with others. None of us are from here anyway, not even those we call Native Americans.

People who wish to become citizens should be eligible for education.
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Dec 20, 2011
 
pauline 2 wrote:
Every person deserves an education. It is how they learn the laws and the ways to interact with others. None of us are from here anyway, not even those we call Native Americans.
People who wish to become citizens should be eligible for education.
OK, Pollyanna, what if they don't "wish to become citizens"? Can we toss them back over the fence? Or you could give them a ride on your rainbow colored unicorn.

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OK, Pollyanna, what if they don't "wish to become citizens"? Can we toss them back over the fence? Or you could give them a ride on your rainbow colored unicorn.
They would still have the civil rights. and a ticket home unless they can demonstrate they can become citizens.

It would give an option to people wanting a start here. It would still allow them to be returned for crimes or just about anything, but they would go home better educated and have some good to say about us.

Not that we are all bigots who hate outsiders. We are all outsiders.

Within the borders of the United States and its Territories we have a Constitution and Civil rights. No special class. Such rights are their until they are deported as well.
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Dec 20, 2011
 
What part of illegal is not understood ... provide ok BUT PAY!!!

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Dec 20, 2011
 
Whose silly idea was this? Do illegals think it's necessary to become citizens so they can help their own children get their education by paying their taxes? Doesn't look like it.

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Dec 20, 2011
 
Now whose silly idea was this? Let me guess; US citizens will be footing the bill for this one too, huh. No wonder illegals love it here and keep piling in by the millions; We give them so much cool stuff!

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Dec 20, 2011
 
pauline 2 wrote:
Every person deserves an education. It is how they learn the laws and the ways to interact with others. None of us are from here anyway, not even those we call Native Americans.
People who wish to become citizens should be eligible for education.
Leftist have a hard time distinguishing between legal and illegal immigration.

If they are found to be illegal, then they should be deported ASAP. This shouldn't even been an issue about if we should be giving them public services.
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Dec 20, 2011
 
My great grandfather went through the legal process to come here from Finland in the early 1900's. If you won't go through the process how do you expect to get free education?

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Dec 20, 2011
 
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My great grandfather went through the legal process to come here from Finland in the early 1900's. If you won't go through the process how do you expect to get free education?
We all cam from somewhere. We have had immigration standards in place since the late 1800's. but they seem to be only enforced in the late 1900's. Those who came from Europe in the late 1800 were coming for a new life, some who came brought disease. that is what immigration laws came out of.

Not where they came from, not their religion, not the color of their skin, and not how much schooling they had. The old Hospital checks and health fears are now very small and not what is checked for.

Today its a nationalistic goal, sold to the public as they steal our jobs. They are bringing in drugs. they are just thieves. Fear tactics, now who would use such tactics?

the goal of the immigration standards is to accept as many people as we can based on equality. We limit how many come from any one country, yet we give special status to those in war torn areas.

Our limits are based on how much housing we have, how much our health system can absorb and How many we can educate. If they get here with out going threw the standard then they need to go back. But we can educate them while they are here, after all they all manage to come back anyway.

We have so many with undocumented status that its appalling. We are not going to locate all of these people by forcing them into hiding and keeping them dumb. All that does is lead to more crime.

Why do they come here?

Have you ever looked at the standards for going anywhere else?

Move to England, or Germany, How about Canada? Australia?

How about South America, do some research.

Look into the US giving you permission to leave the country. No passport you can not even leave.

“We have 545 traitors.”

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Dec 20, 2011
 
HELL NO

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Dec 20, 2011
 
K-12 education is paid for with tax payer dollars. No way should we be paying to educate immigrants who are not here legally.

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Dec 20, 2011
 
pauline 2 wrote:
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We all cam from somewhere. We have had immigration standards in place since the late 1800's. but they seem to be only enforced in the late 1900's. Those who came from Europe in the late 1800 were coming for a new life, some who came brought disease. that is what immigration laws came out of.
Not where they came from, not their religion, not the color of their skin, and not how much schooling they had. The old Hospital checks and health fears are now very small and not what is checked for.
Today its a nationalistic goal, sold to the public as they steal our jobs. They are bringing in drugs. they are just thieves. Fear tactics, now who would use such tactics?
the goal of the immigration standards is to accept as many people as we can based on equality. We limit how many come from any one country, yet we give special status to those in war torn areas.
Our limits are based on how much housing we have, how much our health system can absorb and How many we can educate. If they get here with out going threw the standard then they need to go back. But we can educate them while they are here, after all they all manage to come back anyway.
We have so many with undocumented status that its appalling. We are not going to locate all of these people by forcing them into hiding and keeping them dumb. All that does is lead to more crime.
Why do they come here?
Have you ever looked at the standards for going anywhere else?
Move to England, or Germany, How about Canada? Australia?
How about South America, do some research.
Look into the US giving you permission to leave the country. No passport you can not even leave.
They come here because people like you keep giving them a free ride. Not only is it incredibly easy to sneak into the greatest country on Earth, the gullible citizens make it easy to leech a pretty comfortable living on the public dime.

They don't want to be deported, fine. They can PAY to be here, and not just sales and excise taxes but high monthly fees to reimburse the tax payers for social welfare programs and other support services. Only tax paying CITIZENS should enjoy public services funded by tax payer DOLLARS, certainly including public schools.

Citizenship is too difficult a task? Fine, a basic skills test would have to be passed to ensure that they can communicate with people in our society. A completely new ID system would have to be created, funded entirely by the migrant groups and not tax dollars, that will identify these people as legal non-citizen migrant visitors. If they want public signs and documents changed to include bi-lingual translations, they can form their own groups to fund the project.

This would be a completely conditional visitor program. One arrest for any crime would mean deportation. One missed fee would result in the same. Anyone not able to prove visitor status or citizenship is deported immediately.

America is the land of opportunity, yes, and that opportunity should not be limited. That does not mean American freedom, opportunity and generosity should be taken advantage of.

Obamas Watergate

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Dec 20, 2011
 
Gee, my first post of this disappeared. Wonder what happened....

Want to solve the immigration problem? Stop corruption on both sides of the border.

Recipe for genocide (current day Mexico):

1) International bankers completely buy off a spineless puppet government

2) Guns are outlawed for ordinary citizens to "protect the people" (If Mexico wants their country back they need overturn the gun ban and arm innocent civilians so they can protect themselves -they also need to legalize drugs to put the drug cartels out of business -and their corrupt government knows it)

3) The corrupt church (Catholic in this case) tells people this can all be solved by praying for a better tommorow and by a donation to their world church

4) The international banker's private security force ,In this case the CIA, starts assasinating anyone that tries to get the message out -blaming it on drug related violence that they create a.k.a. Obama and Holders Fast and Furious program modeled after the Iran-Contra deal

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/bank...

5) Kids are forced to take a live cancer shot (Gardasil) to attend school -The shot is said to protect against cancer when it actually infects kids with cancer- Never let your kids take this shot , we did just fine without out it all these years:

http://trenches.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/the-...

And yes they are creating race-specific killer viruses targeting race-specific genetic markers

http://www.byroncrawford.com/2009/04/is-mexic...

Thus the genocide continues because the people just take it...

Genocides are usually hidden in plain sight. Like recessions -we only agree they've occured when they are over and in the history books.

Do you really want to allow this in America next?

Get informed:

http://rss.infowars.com/Alex.rss

Mexico needs to have a revolution right now to fix this before they are exterminated en masse. Running from one country to the next is not an option anymore.

There is no where to run as this tyranny is going global using the same tactics. They can fix their drug problems easily by legalizing drugs so the drug cartels go out of business overnight due to there being no money in this.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...

Beware...

Governor Jerry Brown just passed Gardasil legislation in CA where young kids no longer need parental consent to get the Gardasil shot at school. Expect this in your state soon.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/10/ab499-pass...

Regarding Gardasil, parents will bankrupt themselves handing over every last penny of their life savings to the medical industry to help their kid fight cancer. This is pure evil. The medical industry gets rich of this type of blood money.

Don't let anyone scare/brainwash your kids into getting this killer shot! The flu shots and some vaccinations are already linked to alzheimers, autism and cancer.

Will they start showing Gardasil scare-tactic/propaganda movies to kids in the classroom using peer pressure to get them to take the shot at school without parent's permission? Who knows...

The ellites and their bought out government puppets are out of control. It's now proven they tried to use this illegal gun running program to overturn the 2nd ammendmant and disarm America. It has taken American lives and proven this administration is completley illegitimate. Bush stated it, Obama/Holder expanded it. Is this change you can believe in?

This is Obama's Watergate and it will cost him the 2012 election. They've undersestimated the damage -give it time...

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Dec 20, 2011
 
Blern wrote:
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They come here because people like you keep giving them a free ride. Not only is it incredibly easy to sneak into the greatest country on Earth, the gullible citizens make it easy to leech a pretty comfortable living on the public dime.
They don't want to be deported, fine. They can PAY to be here, and not just sales and excise taxes but high monthly fees to reimburse the tax payers for social welfare programs and other support services. Only tax paying CITIZENS should enjoy public services funded by tax payer DOLLARS, certainly including public schools.
Citizenship is too difficult a task? Fine, a basic skills test would have to be passed to ensure that they can communicate with people in our society. A completely new ID system would have to be created, funded entirely by the migrant groups and not tax dollars, that will identify these people as legal non-citizen migrant visitors. If they want public signs and documents changed to include bi-lingual translations, they can form their own groups to fund the project.
This would be a completely conditional visitor program. One arrest for any crime would mean deportation. One missed fee would result in the same. Anyone not able to prove visitor status or citizenship is deported immediately.
America is the land of opportunity, yes, and that opportunity should not be limited. That does not mean American freedom, opportunity and generosity should be taken advantage of.
Can you prove your here legally?

Your parents, their parents?

Where are your papers?

You were born here you say, Prove it?

Were your parents here legally then?

We all assume we can pass any test. Better look to the Germans in the 1930's.
They found a way to make all Jews non citizens with the same arguments you have.
They were Jews not Germans. it was their heritage that was wrong. they did not belong in Germany. even if they were born there. even if their fathers and grand fathers were born there.

Consider moving back to your country or origin, its not America.

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Obamas Watergate wrote:
Gee, my first post of this disappeared. Wonder what happened....
Want to solve the immigration problem? Stop corruption on both sides of the border.
Recipe for genocide (current day Mexico):
1) International bankers completely buy off a spineless puppet government
2) Guns are outlawed for ordinary citizens to "protect the people" (If Mexico wants their country back they need overturn the gun ban and arm innocent civilians so they can protect themselves -they also need to legalize drugs to put the drug cartels out of business -and their corrupt government knows it)
3) The corrupt church (Catholic in this case) tells people this can all be solved by praying for a better tommorow and by a donation to their world church
4) The international banker's private security force ,In this case the CIA, starts assasinating anyone that tries to get the message out -blaming it on drug related violence that they create a.k.a. Obama and Holders Fast and Furious program modeled after the Iran-Contra deal
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/bank...
5) Kids are forced to take a live cancer shot (Gardasil) to attend school -The shot is said to protect against cancer when it actually infects kids with cancer- Never let your kids take this shot , we did just fine without out it all these years:
http://trenches.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/the-...
And yes they are creating race-specific killer viruses targeting race-specific genetic markers
http://www.byroncrawford.com/2009/04/is-mexic...
Thus the genocide continues because the people just take it...
Genocides are usually hidden in plain sight. Like recessions -we only agree
There is no where to run as this tyranny is going global using the same tactics. They can fix their drug problems easily by legalizing drugs so the drug cartels go out of business overnight due to there being no money in this.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...
Beware...
Governor Jerry Brown just passed Gardasil legislation in CA where young kids no longer need parental consent to get the Gardasil shot at school. Expect this in your state soon.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/10/ab499-pass...
Regarding Gardasil, parents will bankrupt themselves handing over every last penny of their life savings to the medical industry to help their kid fight cancer. This is pure evil. The medical industry gets rich of this type of blood money.
Don't let anyone scare/brainwash your kids into getting this killer shot! The flu shots and some vaccinations are already linked to alzheimers, autism and cancer.
Will they start showing Gardasil scare-tactic/propaganda movies to kids in the classroom using peer pressure to get them to take the shot at school without parent's permission? Who knows...
The ellites and their bought out government puppets are out of control. It's now proven they tried to use this illegal gun running program to overturn the 2nd ammendmant and disarm America. It has taken American lives and proven this administration is completley illegitimate. Bush stated it, Obama/Holder expanded it. Is this change you can believe in?
This is Obama's Watergate and it will cost him the 2012 election. They've undersestimated the damage -give it time...
You have some good points. BUT, I grew up with polio being a real problem.

Many then felt the same as you about mandatory vaccination. In a class of 30 6 tested positive for polio, in the weeks that followed they lost friends, their parents felt depressed, and fear was rampant in the school.

take the vaccine. People who do not are carriers, Typhoid Mary's.

JTY

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Dec 20, 2011
 
pauline 2 wrote:
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Can you prove your here legally?
Your parents, their parents?
Where are your papers?
You were born here you say, Prove it?
Were your parents here legally then?
We all assume we can pass any test. Better look to the Germans in the 1930's.
They found a way to make all Jews non citizens with the same arguments you have.
They were Jews not Germans. it was their heritage that was wrong. they did not belong in Germany. even if they were born there. even if their fathers and grand fathers were born there.
Consider moving back to your country or origin, its not America.
I am suppressed you waited this long to pull out the Nazi card. If they are not here legally then they are not citizens. You do not become a citizen by standing on a countries soil.

P.S. If you are not a US citizen, then are you a US citizen?

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pauline 2 wrote:
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Can you prove your here legally?
Your parents, their parents?
Where are your papers?
You were born here you say, Prove it?
Were your parents here legally then?
We all assume we can pass any test. Better look to the Germans in the 1930's.
They found a way to make all Jews non citizens with the same arguments you have.
They were Jews not Germans. it was their heritage that was wrong. they did not belong in Germany. even if they were born there. even if their fathers and grand fathers were born there.
Consider moving back to your country or origin, its not America.
That is just about the stupidest argument I've seen on this forum. But, to answer your questions in order: Yes, yes, yes, in my personal safe with all other important documents, Hennepin County MN 5/2/73 Certificate on file, yes Rock County MN 8/16/41 and Hubbard County MN 12/18/46.

At some point you must have heard some liberal idiot compare our immigration struggle to the plight of Jews in Nazi Germany and you thought you would be clever and throw that in there. You have instantly, with that idiotic remark, lost all credibility in this discussion.

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Dec 20, 2011
 
Blern wrote:
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That is just about the stupidest argument I've seen on this forum. But, to answer your questions in order: Yes, yes, yes, in my personal safe with all other important documents, Hennepin County MN 5/2/73 Certificate on file, yes Rock County MN 8/16/41 and Hubbard County MN 12/18/46.
At some point you must have heard some liberal idiot compare our immigration struggle to the plight of Jews in Nazi Germany and you thought you would be clever and throw that in there. You have instantly, with that idiotic remark, lost all credibility in this discussion.
Agreed. That was one of the silliest posts I've read in awhile now.

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