Immigrants & K-12 Debate - Alamogordo, NM

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Should America provide K-12 schooling for young illegal immigrants?

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“Pro-Constitution , Anti-Obama!”

Since: May 10

Capitan, NM

#23 Dec 30, 2011
Jean Rankin wrote:
Well, the children are clearly here to stay. So why would we not educate them? Perhaps go back to the system we had over 100 years ago, where parents pay to send their children to school.
Parents were in more control of education in those days. Government should not have so much "control" over education, nor the budget for education.
The 1965 Elementary and Secondary Education Act sparked a huge increase in federal education spending and regulations. The legislation’s Title I was supposed to provide aid to K–12 schools in high-poverty areas, but by the end of the 1960s it was providing aid to 60 percent of the nation’s school districts.
Today, Title I is the largest federal subsidy program for K–12 education.
Parents need to take back control of the education system in America.
NO we shouldnt educate them! They need to be deported right along with their criminal parents. Now you do have a point we need to take control of our kids education, how bout we start be enacting laws that REQUIRE citizenship to go to school here. And if the child is an anchor they MUST speak learn english because their will be NO interpretors!!! That will go along way in cleaning up our system. Especially in the SW where illegal kids are destroying the quality of education!

Since: Nov 11

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#24 Dec 30, 2011
@ Chaos Undercover. I can understand Americans are tired of paying school and other taxes that support illegal immigrants and their families. But what concerns me is the cost of NOT educating the children of these people could be far greater.

As per my initial comments, these children will probably remain here and become adults who either contribute to the economy or do not.

I do agree they need to have english as their first language.

Your thoughts? Thanks, JR

“Pro-Constitution , Anti-Obama!”

Since: May 10

Capitan, NM

#25 Jan 1, 2012
Jean Rankin wrote:
@ Chaos Undercover. I can understand Americans are tired of paying school and other taxes that support illegal immigrants and their families. But what concerns me is the cost of NOT educating the children of these people could be far greater.
As per my initial comments, these children will probably remain here and become adults who either contribute to the economy or do not.
I do agree they need to have english as their first language.
Your thoughts? Thanks, JR
You have a valid concern/point. I have thought of that. But being illegal the ways they can contribute are very limited. Yes many will get jobs and buy goods and services here but thats the extent of it. I am all for immigration reform but no amnesty. But before we reform anything we need to fix the problem. Reform will not work until the border is secure.

Since: Nov 11

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#26 Jan 1, 2012
Thanks Chaos. Although my thoughts are that Public education is the means by which we train our children to become citizens, and if we aren't going to deport them, schooling them is our only option.

However, on the other hand, I did do more research on the cost and the benefits, etc. I must say it shook up my initial thoughts.

Found this to be an interesting site.
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org ...mevictims.html

I realize there is no quick fix for this problem,but full amnesty is not the answer. What are we really going to do as a nation to fix this problem? Both the Democrats and Republicans are weak on this issue because they do not want to loose votes, so they sit back and do NOTHING. All lips service.

In my opinion we need to halt immigration period until we get the present problem under control. If we can put a man on the moon we can solve this problem.

Now I may go read up on the cost of healthcare, or instead make a cup of coffee and go outside and smell the roses.

“Pro-Constitution , Anti-Obama!”

Since: May 10

Capitan, NM

#27 Jan 1, 2012
Jean Rankin wrote:
Thanks Chaos. Although my thoughts are that Public education is the means by which we train our children to become citizens, and if we aren't going to deport them, schooling them is our only option.
However, on the other hand, I did do more research on the cost and the benefits, etc. I must say it shook up my initial thoughts.
Found this to be an interesting site.
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org ...mevictims.html
I realize there is no quick fix for this problem,but full amnesty is not the answer. What are we really going to do as a nation to fix this problem? Both the Democrats and Republicans are weak on this issue because they do not want to loose votes, so they sit back and do NOTHING. All lips service.
In my opinion we need to halt immigration period until we get the present problem under control. If we can put a man on the moon we can solve this problem.
Now I may go read up on the cost of healthcare, or instead make a cup of coffee and go outside and smell the roses.
I agree Jean. The problem can be fixed but like you said in Washington its all about the votes. They are making rocket science out of simple addition, but thats politics for you!
No illegals

Albuquerque, NM

#28 Jan 1, 2012
Jean Rankin wrote:
@ Chaos Undercover. I can understand Americans are tired of paying school and other taxes that support illegal immigrants and their families. But what concerns me is the cost of NOT educating the children of these people could be far greater.
As per my initial comments, these children will probably remain here and become adults who either contribute to the economy or do not.
I do agree they need to have english as their first language.
Your thoughts? Thanks, JR
They will not contribute to the economy. They will continue as their parents did, to drain the American system of Medicaid,food stamps and cash assistance. These subsidies were meant for citizens, not illegal immigrants. By reducing the attractiveness of the benefits these illegal immigrants receive, you will reduce the amount of illegal immigrants who illegally come into the country. This includes not allowing them to be educated by our school systems. We have enough children of our own who are in disadvantaged situations, which is what Title I is provided for. It is not provided for illegal immigrant children.

Since: Nov 11

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#29 Jan 2, 2012
Well I know when we raised our two we started a savings account for both boys when they were babies. This was an education fund and all monies they received for gifts (birthdays, Christmas, etc.), went into their accounts. By the time both had graduated high school there was enough money to pay for their college funds, books, and even travel.

That was a long time ago and even with our grandchildren we see education is slacking in this country big time. I read somewhere that U.S. Grade 12 Math and Science scores were bottom of the list - in the world!

I think there is no doubt that our education system needs serious reform, and that we need to look to countries such as France for guidance. India, China, and many other up-and-coming developing nations understand the importance and practicality of math and science and force their children into these fields.

We Americans don't have this same drive. We now allow their kids to pick and choose their experiences and careers. It's a double edged sword. Freedom is great, but it costs us valuable manufacturing and innovative jobs.

As for illegal immigrants not paying taxes, etc. I have to disagree on some level, as they have to pay sales taxes, and I've heard of many illegal employers who are aware their laborers are illegal, but nonetheless withhold payroll taxes from their paychecks, and rather than pay those taxes to the government, simply pocket them.

What is the draw to the US (other than providing their families with a better way of life). Well, think about it, American farmers who knowingly employ undocumented workers at sub-standard wages (and in sub-standard conditions). These employers are a major source of the DRAW of immigrants into California, but are rarely if ever portrayed as criminals who deserve to be "severely punished".

They are indeed breaking the law by employing undocumented workers, but this law is lightly enforced if at all whereas it is becoming quite fashionable for politicians in America to call for increasing efforts at enforcing laws against illegal border crossings (and for Usenet demagogues to scream for severe punishment of "illegals").

I would imagine since illegal workers live in fear of deportation, they rarely seek social services or file for income tax returns for fear of being discovered and deported.

Although I digress from the topic. Back to why I think we are the ones "at fault" if we haven't changed the immigrant children of today to become American in the sense of being appreciative of their new Homeland. Where have we as Americans gone wrong in not wanting to "draw" these children in to become American citizens who contribute to a proud nation?
me

Alamogordo, NM

#30 Jul 15, 2012
they are ILLEGAL and need to go back to their own country. Other countries would NOT allow us to just invade them and live there like the mexicans do to us.

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