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motorhead

Natchitoches, LA

#21 May 30, 2011
Amazed wrote:
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I never said they were going to throw granny off the cliff. I said the plan calls for cutting back on care for the elderly while giving tax breaks to the wealthy. Do you have a reading comprehension problem, or perhaps you’re unsure of what greed is? We need to stop waste, fraud, and abuse, but giving your buddies tax breaks isn’t going to fix any of that. Spin it how you want to, but Medicare is a popular program. Watch how the rats leave the sinking ship before election day.
It is people like you that has caused the deadlock in congress. The Ryan plan gives a set amount to each individual to purchase the plan they want. It actually pays less to the wealthy who can more afford to pay their own way. The benefits are not changed. The current plan is constantly going up each year when the new plan comes out the deductible goes up. The current deductible is over 1,000 and it has a limit on the maximum amount it will pay per benefit period. If you hit the maximum payout it is 100% out of pocket. This is why you must carry a medicare supplement which pays the difference. The Ryan plan will actually do more to hurt the wealthy than the poor, and it will not affect anyone now under the age of 55. If you will read the plan and actually see it for what it is you will see that if something is not done no one will have any coverage after age 65.

Since: Oct 10

Mesa, AZ

#28 Jun 1, 2011
A Democrat disguised as Ryan throwing Granny off the cliff tells me all I need to know about Democratic Tactics. I still haven't seen them submit any kind of plan. Are they that stupid?

Since: Mar 11

Newark, NJ///West Mifflin, PA

#29 Jun 2, 2011
RESP0NSE wrote:
<quoted text>"You know as well as I that is not what the Ryan plan does. How is reducing revenue going to fix the problem?"
Response reply: Eliminating loopholes does not reduce revenue.
You should pay attention to what your friends are putting in ads. Granny did not actually go over the cliff but a panel of bureaucrats rationing out medical treatment amounts to a death panel. No to even mention the folks that are supposed to council you on where you should go on living or not.
Excuse me for joining in from a NE state...first, let me make it clear that the Ryan plan cuts expenses by about $6 trillion but is offset by $2 trillion of tax cuts. The theory is that the tax cuts to corporations and rich individuals will almost totally wipe out unemployment (of course that is pure kool aid BS). Secondly, that "panel of bureucrats rationing out medical treatment amounts" is NO DIFFERENT than private insurers denying treatments for the sake of profit. The Democrats DO have a plan to extend Medicare that is being refined. It includes directly negotiating with the drug companies for lower prices (similar to the VA), finding and implementing methods to LOWER the cost of medical care (something the Ryan Plan TOTALLY avoids)and NOT USING COST SAVINGS FOR MEDICARE TO FUND TAX CUTS.

Since: Oct 10

Mesa, AZ

#30 Jun 2, 2011
JoefromPGH wrote:
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Excuse me for joining in from a NE state...first, let me make it clear that the Ryan plan cuts expenses by about $6 trillion but is offset by $2 trillion of tax cuts. The theory is that the tax cuts to corporations and rich individuals will almost totally wipe out unemployment (of course that is pure kool aid BS). Secondly, that "panel of bureucrats rationing out medical treatment amounts" is NO DIFFERENT than private insurers denying treatments for the sake of profit. The Democrats DO have a plan to extend Medicare that is being refined. It includes directly negotiating with the drug companies for lower prices (similar to the VA), finding and implementing methods to LOWER the cost of medical care (something the Ryan Plan TOTALLY avoids)and NOT USING COST SAVINGS FOR MEDICARE TO FUND TAX CUTS.
At least privates insurers can be held accountable for misconduct. There is no appeal to a government bureau. You should present the Democrat's plan. It doesn't exist. When will you guys ever learn? Targeted tax cuts to businesses creates jobs.

Since: Mar 11

Newark, NJ///West Mifflin, PA

#31 Jun 3, 2011
RESP0NSE wrote:
<quoted text>At least privates insurers can be held accountable for misconduct. There is no appeal to a government bureau. You should present the Democrat's plan. It doesn't exist. When will you guys ever learn? Targeted tax cuts to businesses creates jobs.
How can private insurers be held accountable for anything? They OWN the Republican politicians (and Joe Lieberman). Yes, the Dems have a plan that begins with the Affordable Care Health Care Act and other facets are being refined. Until they get down to hard negotiations, the Dems should not reveal their cards as the Republicans continue to show their true intent. And I agree that targeted tax cuts to businesses helps to create a better job environment (why did the Republicans say "NO" to such tax incentives last year)? Better yet, reform the tax code....that is something we all agree upon and it will happen.

Listen, there is no need to privitize seniors health care. And as far as the Ryan Plan, why haven't we heard a peep about the types of policies and costs that may be offered to seniors? I'll tell you why.......since the Ryan Plan would kill your so-called Obamacare, insurance companies will not be mandated to take those with pre-existing conditions. That means most seniors will be DENIED health insurance, PERIOD.

Since: Oct 10

Phoenix, AZ

#32 Jun 3, 2011
JoefromPGH wrote:
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How can private insurers be held accountable for anything? They OWN the Republican politicians (and Joe Lieberman). Yes, the Dems have a plan that begins with the Affordable Care Health Care Act and other facets are being refined. Until they get down to hard negotiations, the Dems should not reveal their cards as the Republicans continue to show their true intent. And I agree that targeted tax cuts to businesses helps to create a better job environment (why did the Republicans say "NO" to such tax incentives last year)? Better yet, reform the tax code....that is something we all agree upon and it will happen.
Listen, there is no need to privitize seniors health care. And as far as the Ryan Plan, why haven't we heard a peep about the types of policies and costs that may be offered to seniors? I'll tell you why.......since the Ryan Plan would kill your so-called Obamacare, insurance companies will not be mandated to take those with pre-existing conditions. That means most seniors will be DENIED health insurance, PERIOD.
Listen scaredy cat, you need to read the Ryan Plan before spouting off. It would help too if you revealed the non-existent Democratic Plan (There isn't one). Ryan's plan doesn't affect seniors.

Since: Mar 11

Newark, NJ///West Mifflin, PA

#33 Jun 5, 2011
RESP0NSE wrote:
<quoted text>Listen scaredy cat, you need to read the Ryan Plan before spouting off. It would help too if you revealed the non-existent Democratic Plan (There isn't one). Ryan's plan doesn't affect seniors.
I read the Ryan Plan the day it was issued; the PR and outright lies in it almost made me puke. The Republican's plan for America....FIEFDOM. FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS... Wake up!

Since: Mar 11

Newark, NJ///West Mifflin, PA

#34 Jun 5, 2011
One other thing....your claim that it doesn't affect seniors.....it will affect ALL of us under 55 when WE get to the magical age of retirement AND it will affect seniors in nursing homes whose Medicaid may be not enough to keep them there.

Since: Oct 10

Gilbert, AZ

#35 Jun 5, 2011
JoefromPGH wrote:
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I read the Ryan Plan the day it was issued; the PR and outright lies in it almost made me puke. The Republican's plan for America....FIEFDOM. FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS... Wake up!
If you read the Ryan plan, you are ten steps ahead of Obama and the Democrats. I don't believe they have read it at all. Ryan is trying to save Social Security and Medicare. What are the Democrats doing? I'm still waiting for you to present their non-existent plan.

Since: Oct 10

Gilbert, AZ

#36 Jun 5, 2011
JoefromPGH wrote:
One other thing....your claim that it doesn't affect seniors.....it will affect ALL of us under 55 when WE get to the magical age of retirement AND it will affect seniors in nursing homes whose Medicaid may be not enough to keep them there.
Ryan's plan takes that into account. If something is not done, and done quickly, your share of Social Security will be 100% of nothing, and you can kiss Medicare goodbye. It will not affect seniors in nursing homes. Where did you come up with that idea?

Since: Mar 11

Newark, NJ///West Mifflin, PA

#37 Jun 5, 2011
RESP0NSE wrote:
<quoted text>Ryan's plan takes that into account. If something is not done, and done quickly, your share of Social Security will be 100% of nothing, and you can kiss Medicare goodbye. It will not affect seniors in nursing homes. Where did you come up with that idea?
Seniors in nursing homes will be affected on how block grants will be used in each state. I would not trust some of these governors like Rick Scott....period.

As to what if Medicare and Social Security were to say goodbye....you will have a revolution in this country; there ain't NO WAY that the rich are going to continue getting richer on OUR BACKS!

If you want to know how the Dems are thinking, go to the Debt Commission suggestions. THAT IS THE MODEL FOR NEGOTIATIONS; not the Ryan Plan to end the middle class.

Since: Oct 10

Gilbert, AZ

#38 Jun 5, 2011
JoefromPGH wrote:
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Seniors in nursing homes will be affected on how block grants will be used in each state. I would not trust some of these governors like Rick Scott....period.
As to what if Medicare and Social Security were to say goodbye....you will have a revolution in this country; there ain't NO WAY that the rich are going to continue getting richer on OUR BACKS!
If you want to know how the Dems are thinking, go to the Debt Commission suggestions. THAT IS THE MODEL FOR NEGOTIATIONS; not the Ryan Plan to end the middle class.
What do you plan to use for money? There are no negotiations. The Democrats have not come forward with a plan. Do you know the definition of "suggestion"?

Since: Mar 11

Newark, NJ///West Mifflin, PA

#39 Jun 6, 2011
RESP0NSE wrote:
<quoted text>What do you plan to use for money? There are no negotiations. The Democrats have not come forward with a plan. Do you know the definition of "suggestion"?
Response....there are negotiatians going on with the "Gang of Five" (it use to be the Gang of Six before Tom Coburn left). The framework of those talks are the recommendations of the Debt Commission. Until they have an agreed upon plan, they are being very tight-lipped. Why should the Dems come out with something that is dead on arrival (as the Republicans did)? Isn't it better to come out with a plan that has backing from BOTH sides? Isn't that what the American people really want?

Since: Oct 10

Gilbert, AZ

#40 Jun 6, 2011
JoefromPGH wrote:
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Response....there are negotiatians going on with the "Gang of Five" (it use to be the Gang of Six before Tom Coburn left). The framework of those talks are the recommendations of the Debt Commission. Until they have an agreed upon plan, they are being very tight-lipped. Why should the Dems come out with something that is dead on arrival (as the Republicans did)? Isn't it better to come out with a plan that has backing from BOTH sides? Isn't that what the American people really want?
Hell, they held power for two years in Congress under Obama's administration. They could have passed a plan at any time, except they didn't have one, as they have no plan even now. They don't even have an excuse.
polabo

Houston, TX

#41 Jun 14, 2011
Response Jr wrote:
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No he doesn't.
Speaking at a Peter G. Peterson Foundation Fiscal Summit in Washington, Clinton blasted the Ryan proposal, saying it was wrong “in principle” and would saddle future seniors with inadequate health care coverage that would discourage them from seeking medical treatment, even in life-threatening situations.“Medical costs will continue to go up, and older people will use less health care and die” or spend more of their saving, he said.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2011/...
clinton like yourself are libs,so its a no brainer that he is talking down the republican plan,what esle would he say--actually the whole bunch are clueless about what will bring this country around--reduce spending and big govt. and most problems will disappear--
dis ya boy LOGAN

Natchitoches, LA

#42 Jun 20, 2011
i got a smooth butterfinger center

Since: Oct 10

Tempe, AZ

#43 Jun 21, 2011
JoefromPGH wrote:
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I read the Ryan Plan the day it was issued; the PR and outright lies in it almost made me puke. The Republican's plan for America....FIEFDOM. FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS... Wake up!
The Republican plan as opposed to the Democrat's no plan? If you read the Ryan plan, it is more than the Democrats did. They did the same thing with Obamacare. Nancy said, "We must first pass it to see what is in it". What a bunch of dummies!

Since: Oct 10

Tempe, AZ

#44 Jun 21, 2011
Amazed wrote:
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You’re side-stepping the question; “How is reducing revenue (tax breaks) going to fix the problem?”
I try to pick my friends wisely, but I can assure you none of them had anything to with this commercial that offended you so.
You do seem to be avoiding Jr’s question of the “death panels for Granny” rhetoric being any better, or are you that naive?
Kennedy proved that reducing taxes increased revenue. So did Clinton. If you read the Obamacare plan, you will find in it a group of bureaucrats who have the power to ration out or deny health care to whomever they choose. Criteria to be decided by them with nowhere to appeal that decision. In short, they will decide who gets medical treatment or not. In other words, they will decide who lives or dies. That fits all the description of a Deah Panel.
nancy

United States

#45 Jul 25, 2011
because poor people like me pay to much medicare .

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