Romney-Ryan Debate - Somerset, KY

[Jrer]

Obama's soft on terror apologizing may not be working very well. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/12/di...

[Brian_G]

Tough Love wrote:

Brian G: While I agree that Egypt should have done a better job of protecting our Embassy, the rest of your statements reflect a lack of understanding of the way things work in the diplomatic world. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, but just that it is what it is and always has been .
Ambassadors do serve at the pleasure of the president, but still have a great deal of autonomy in their jobs and that same level of personal latitude has been there since the days of Franklin, Adams and Jefferson. While the Secretary of State is the Ambassador’s direct supervisor, the powers conferred on an Ambassador are done so by an act of Congress. The president doesn’t make the rules, but he can enforce them when broken. Consequently, once things quiet down, it wouldn’t surprise me to see the Ambassador “resign‘ after “consultations” with Washington.
From what I have read, State Department officials tried to convince the author of the Cairo embassy statement to refrain from releasing it, but he chose to ignore the advice. In my view, the statement was poorly written and never explained that freedom of speech is a basic right in the U.S. and even suggested that this right to free speech is abrogated when it comes to criticizing a religion, which is certainly not the case. In fact of you go back to the 2006 USG statement during the riots in response to the anti-Muslim Danish cartoons we said that “Freedom of expression is at the core of our democracy and it is something that we have shed blood and treasure around the world to defend and we will continue to do so.” That has always been our policy and it has never changed.

I blame Obama, for not protecting our diplomats.

Mostly, I blame Obama for not understanding the GWOT. Here's what Obama said at Cairo in June, 2009:

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We meet at a time of tension between the United States and Muslims around the world – tension rooted in historical forces that go beyond any current policy debate. The relationship between Islam and the West includes centuries of co-existence and cooperation, but also conflict and religious wars. More recently, tension has been fed by colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many Muslims, and a Cold War in which Muslim-majority countries were too often treated as proxies without regard to their own aspirations. Moreover, the sweeping change brought by modernity and globalization led many Muslims to view the West as hostile to the traditions of Islam..."
http://www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/print/Wor...

I don't believe "tension has been fed by colonialism", that's Obama's construction, not reality. I think our enemies who distort Islam and attack innocents feed the tension.

I blame Al Azhar University, the President praised them:

"... 53% were in favor or teaching songs about hating Jews in Palestinian schools.

Moreover, Jasser’s immoral equivalence at UCSD exculpates the “non-Hamas” Palestinian Muslims, and the rest of the Arab and non-Arab global Muslim umma incited for almost a century by mainstream, institutional Islam to a hydrophobic, annihilationist Islamic Jew-hating fury. Particularly edifying examples of this incitement were two fatwas produced by Sunni Islam’s Vatican, Al-Azhar University,... Issued at the height of so-called secular Arab nationalism, these two complementary fatwas, one written on January 5, 1956, by then grand mufti of Egypt Sheikh Hasan Ma’moun, and another dated January 9, 1956, signed by the leading members of the Fatwa Committee of Al Azhar University and the major representatives of all four Sunni Islamic schools of jurisprudence, elaborated the following key points, indistinguishable from Hamas’s current Weltanschauung (from my forthcoming Sharia Versus Freedom)"
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2012090316974/us...

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[Brian_G]

Tough Love wrote:

But, here’s where Romney and his supporters really got it wrong and continue to get it wrong: An embassy statement does not reflect “administration” policy -- that comes ONLY repeat ONLY from a State Department spokesperson, the Secretary of State or the White House. This is so basic that I have to wonder why Romney’s foreign policy advisers didn’t catch this. If you look at the first words of the statement “The Embassy of the United States in Cairo....” That tells you right there that it is coming from the Embassy, not Washington and it’s a reflection of the mission’s views, not the USG. Keep in mind that in the diplomatic food chain an Embassy is the lowest common denominator and as I mentioned before all ambassadors have the authority to sign off on statements expressing the opinions of the mission. Some use that power wisely, and other don’t. But again, Romney and his staff should have known this and if they don’t understand their own government’s protocol, well they should have asked.

I disagree, a statement from an embassy represents the ambassador and the ambassador represents our president.

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Tough Love wrote:

Romney would clearly like to put this all behind him and get back to talking about the economy. However, that’s never going to happen until he admits he and his team made a mistake -- just like he did after the London gaff. If he doesn’t, this will continue to plague him right into the debates -- just as his refusal to release more than just two years of his tax returns has. Americans respect leaders who are human, but they have little tolerance for those who refuse to acknowledge their mistakes. I’ve seen lesser blunders sink a campaign.

I don't think Romney has any problem dealing with foreign policy, he's far better qualified than Obama.

[Tough Love]

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>I blame Obama, for not protecting our diplomats.
Mostly, I blame Obama for not understanding the GWOT. Here's what Obama said at Cairo in June, 2009:
"...
We meet at a time of tension between the United States and Muslims around the world – tension rooted in historical forces that go beyond any current policy debate. The relationship between Islam and the West includes centuries of co-existence and cooperation, but also conflict and religious wars. More recently, tension has been fed by colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many Muslims, and a Cold War in which Muslim-majority countries were too often treated as proxies without regard to their own aspirations. Moreover, the sweeping change brought by modernity and globalization led many Muslims to view the West as hostile to the traditions of Islam..."
http://www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/print/Wor...
I don't believe "tension has been fed by colonialism", that's Obama's construction, not reality. I think our enemies who distort Islam and attack innocents feed the tension.
I blame Al Azhar University, the President praised them:
"... 53% were in favor or teaching songs about hating Jews in Palestinian schools.
Moreover, Jasser’s immoral equivalence at UCSD exculpates the “non-Hamas” Palestinian Muslims, and the rest of the Arab and non-Arab global Muslim umma incited for almost a century by mainstream, institutional Islam to a hydrophobic, annihilationist Islamic Jew-hating fury. Particularly edifying examples of this incitement were two fatwas produced by Sunni Islam’s Vatican, Al-Azhar University,... Issued at the height of so-called secular Arab nationalism, these two complementary fatwas, one written on January 5, 1956, by then grand mufti of Egypt Sheikh Hasan Ma’moun, and another dated January 9, 1956, signed by the leading members of the Fatwa Committee of Al Azhar University and the major representatives of all four Sunni Islamic schools of jurisprudence, elaborated the following key points, indistinguishable from Hamas’s current Weltanschauung (from my forthcoming Sharia Versus Freedom)"
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2012090316974/us...
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And I thought you were just clueless on diplomacy. Have you ever taken the time to actually read anything on the history of the Middle East or are you simply one of the many who are content to let others filter the information for you? From your sourcing, I can see it's the later, so don't bother answering. However, if you ever decide you want to move beyond the radical right wing websites you keep quoting, you might want to read some of Bernard Lewis' books on the region. He's one of today's premier scholars on the history of the Middle East.

Having spent many years in third world countries, I agree with Obama's statement that much of the conflict that we see today is a direct result of previous colonial policy -- that and poverty, ignorance and fear -- things that are also present in this country and are shaping the psyche of far too many.

[Tough Love]

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>I disagree, a statement from an embassy represents the ambassador and the ambassador represents our president.
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<quoted text>I don't think Romney has any problem dealing with foreign policy, he's far better qualified than Obama.

Just because you believe something should be a certain way doesn't mean it is so. An Embassy statement does not reflect administration policy -- never has and never will. And if you believe that Romney has the requisite foreign policy skills for the office -- well there you go.

[TRAVEL]

I'd vote for anyone but OBAMA.Anyone that does is a Idiot IMO.Than again look at the world and the USA can see why were in this shape.Go see the movie 2016 Obama America maybe this may help. Yea are not so blind that will not see.

[zipyourlip]

JumperJuice wrote:

Oh yeah, another thing....I travel through those states you mention with exception of Mississippi and Alabama. Florence, Columbia, Charleston, Spartanburg, and Myrtle Beach ALL seem to be doing fine. In fact, a couple of them seem to be booming. As for the rural areas....well you just can't make a living in farming these days thanks to all of uncle Sam's regulations. Asheville, Charlotte metro, Winston -Salem, Raleigh, Greensboro, and Durham are hardly falling off the map. Once again, tell the whole story zipper.

http://www.census.gov/compendi a/statab/2011/ranks/rank29.htm l Here is the whole story, care to venture a guess which states have right to work laws? The state I come from that has union representation ranked 14, the state you come from that also has unions, but no representation from SEIU, or AFCMSE ranks 47. It also appears that most of the lower ranking states are red states. Looks to me that red state America is racing to the bottom when it comes to per capita income. What an honor, lol.

[zipyourlip]

http://click.infospace.com/ClickHandler.ashx...

[zipyourlip]

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2011/r...

[zipyourlip]

Next, I will research which states get the most tax dollars from the Federal Treasury, and pay the least into the system.... I'm thinking the EIC payments to red state America will be staggering. They will look very similar to those that have right to work laws in place, lol!

[JumperJuice]

Thanks zipper, you PROVED the corruption link between the unions and Democrats FOR ME. LOL ...what a maroon. Withholding federal funds over votes and dues. Way to help your brethren .....omg, you can't make this stuff up, thanks for doing my legwork for me. Wow.

[zipyourlip]

JumperJuice wrote:

Thanks zipper, you PROVED the corruption link between the unions and Democrats FOR ME. LOL ...what a maroon. Withholding federal funds over votes and dues. Way to help your brethren .....omg, you can't make this stuff up, thanks for doing my legwork for me. Wow.

Proved nothing other than the poorest states without union representation are the same states that are the biggest drain on the Treasury. Union jobs = tax paying Americans, and EIC = corporate welfare, thus paving the way for union thugs like police officers, firemen, air traffic controllers etc, etc, to subsidize red state America for what employers refuse to pay their workers....a living wage. How many Walmart employees all across the nation qualify for EIC....much more research to do.

[zipyourlip]

States Receiving Least in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:

1. New Jersey ($0.62)
2. Connecticut ($0.64)
3. New Hampshire ($0.68)
4. Nevada ($0.73)
5. Illinois ($0.77)
6. Minnesota ($0.77)
7. Colorado ($0.79)
8. Massachusetts ($0.79)
9. California ($0.81)
10. New York ($0.81)

Two states -- Florida and Oregon (coincidentally, the two closest states in the 2000 Presidential election)-- received $1.00 in federal spending for each $1.00 in federal taxes paid.

[zipyourlip]

The Tax Foundation has released a fascinating report showing which states benefit from federal tax and spending policies, and which states foot the bill.

US 50 States MapThe report shows that of the 32 states (and the District of Columbia) that are "winners" -- receiving more in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes -- 76% are Red States that voted for George Bush in 2000. Indeed, 17 of the 20 (85%) states receiving the most federal spending per dollar of federal taxes paid are Red States. Here are the Top 10 states that feed at the federal trough (with Red States highlighted in bold):

States Receiving Most in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:

1. D.C.($6.17)
2. North Dakota ($2.03)
3. New Mexico ($1.89)
4. Mississippi ($1.84)
5. Alaska ($1.82)
6. West Virginia ($1.74)
7. Montana ($1.64)
8. Alabama ($1.61)
9. South Dakota ($1.59)
10. Arkansas ($1.53)

[zipyourlip]

6) Kentucky
> Federal spending per capita net of income taxes:$12,129
> Total federal spending per capita:$13,198
> Federal income taxes per capita:$1,069

The federal government gave Kentucky more than $7,000 per person on direct payments, which included retirement and disability benefits, unemployment benefits and student assistance — all large programs. Medicare benefits accounted for nearly 57% of such payments. This was partially due to the high amount of government money going toward prescription drug coverage in the state —$5.46 billion in 2010. Kentucky received almost $1.5 billion more for prescription drug coverage than California, a state with almost nine times its population.

[JumperJuice]

Well zippy, we all know how sh***y wal mart is. That's why I don't shop there. I don't care who's red and who's blue....you know the only thing I dislike more than a democrat is a republican. With that said, I noticed you conveniently left out what I brought up about Hoffa.

[zipyourlip]

”Of the 22 states that went to McCain in 2008, 86 percent received more federal spending than they paid in taxes in 2010. In contrast, 55 percent of the states that went to Obama received more federal spending than they paid in taxes. Republican states, on average, received $1.46 in federal spending for every tax dollar paid; Democratic states, on average, received $1.16.”

Candidate Ron Paul has said that he is happy to see natural disaster victims go without federal help, as was done in his days 100 years ago; (when he was alive, this author believes he is in fact a zombie, thereby void of human feelings) something that many conservatives echo…until they are the victims of a Tornado, flood, or hurricane and consequently become the unwilling, kicking and screaming (wink wink) recipients of FEMA assistance.

It is also not a secret that when Republicans are in office; Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush jr…they spend the most and run up the most debt, blowing cash like drunken sailors, sabotaging America’s economy, knowing that when the Democrats hold office, the cry from the Republicans would change to be a deafening one to reduce federal spending. They are nothing but hypocrites and downright liars.

Conservatives have been well known for voting against their own interest and unknown to them, if they are successful in voting-in their conservative political figures, the first programs to be cut or whittled down are the same ones that these conservative states depend on to feed their citizenry. Apparently conservative voters have not yet connected the dots to figure out that Democratic states who are paying more and getting back less are in fact the ones responsible for supporting the real welfare states…the Red states.

In other words the Republican and Conservative citizenry owe their very existence to the Democrats they pretend to hate so much… the Democrats who put food on their Conservative tables and who keep the roof over their Republican heads.

[JumperJuice]

Jimmy Hoffa......

[JumperJuice]

Who. Cares? They both suck......

[JumperJuice]

Here's you some research:

http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topcontri...

Just look at who donates to who. The media and unions DOMINATE the democrat donations, while banks and oil DOMINATE republican donations.....oh, and don't forget the pharmaceuticals and insurance. Then, we have a smattering of big corporations donating to BOTH. Yup, you guessed it, corruption and palm greasing-a-plenty.....for BOTH sides. I just love UN-BIASED websites!

Also, the democrats say they're for education, while they simultaneously support teachers striking, thereby CHEATING students out of an education. Just look at Chicgao....pitiful. Wait, Chicago? Am I the only that sees a connection there? Hmmmmm........