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Johnson City, TN

#23 Aug 17, 2012
The AARP plays a starring role in President Barack Obama's new ad defending his record on Medicare. But that doesn't mean the group has to like it.

Hours after the Democrat's campaign released its new commercial, AARP Senior Vice President John Hishta bluntly denied any involvement in the ad and scolded Obama for not telling the truth.

Johnson City, TN

#24 Aug 17, 2012
Former Alabama Democratic Rep. Artur Davis, who defected to the Republican Party earlier this year, appeared with Paul Ryan at a rally here Friday.

Davis, who now lives in Virginia and will be a featured speaker at the Republican Party convention later this month, spoke before Ryan and focused partially on how he predicted Democrats would oppose him throughout the campaign.

"One week ago our Democratic friends believed that they were going to win an election based on fear and they were going to scare our seniors about Medicare," Davis said. "One week later, after Paul Ryan has been doing some truth-telling, America knows that there's only one candidate for president who had a plan to cut Medicare by $700 billion, and that is Barack Obama, the president of the United States."

Davis was one of earliest Democrats to endorse then-Sen. Barack Obama's candidacy for president during the presidential campaign in 2008, was a co-chair for Obama's campaign and spoke in his favor at the 2008 Democratic National Convention.

United States

#25 Aug 17, 2012
For Medicare, the CBO report reveals that the Ryan plan would raise the age at which people become eligible from 65 to 67, even as it repeals the health reform law's coverage provisions.  This means 65- and 66-year-olds would have neither Medicare nor access to health insurance exchanges in which they could buy coverage at an affordable price and receive subsidies to help them purchase coverage if their incomes are low.  This change, which is not mentioned in the 73-page booklet on his plan that Chairman Ryan released,[4] would put many more 65- and 66-year-olds who don't have employer coverage and can't afford insurance into the individual insurance market — where the premiums charged to people in this age group tend to be very high — leaving them uninsured.  People of limited means, such as those who are trying to get by on incomes as low as $12,000 a year in today's dollars, would be affected most harshly because they wouldn't be able to afford private coverage.
The CBO report also reveals that the vouchers, or "defined contribution amounts," that Ryan would provide to seniors to buy coverage from private insurance companies in lieu of current Medicare coverage would be adjusted each year only by the general inflation rate.  For more than 30 years, health care costs per beneficiary in the United States have been rising about two percentage points per year faster than GDP growth per capita.  The Rivlin-Ryan plan of last fall would have provided vouchers that rise with GDP per capita plus one percentage point.  But because they would be adjusted only for overall inflation, the vouchers under Ryan's new plan would rise about two percentage points per year less than the Rivlin-Ryan vouchers and about three percentage points per year less than the rate at which health care costs have been growing.  Over time, the impact on beneficiaries would be huge, as CBO documents.

United States

#26 Aug 17, 2012
Defending Romney, Republicans Accuse AARP Of Protecting Its Profits Over Seniors
Sahil KapurAugust 17, 2012, 4:33 PM

The Obama campaign is responding to attacks from Mitt Romney with a TV ad that cites AARP as evidence that the Affordable Care Act won’t harm seniors despite its payment cuts to Medicare providers.
Republicans on the House Ways & Means Committee on Friday returned fire by seeking to discredit AARP, accusing the influential seniors’ group of sacrificing the well-being of its elderly members in order to boost its profits.
“AARP is being held up again today as a credible source committed to protecting seniors — this time in a new round of attacks on bipartisan policies that would extend the solvency of the Medicare program,” a statement from Ways & Means Republicans said.“This is the same AARP that hailed the law as benefitting seniors, despite a recent estimate by the Congressional Budget Office that the law cuts Medicare by more than $700 billion to fund a new entitlement program.”
Contrary to that assertion, the $716 billion in 10-year Medicare savings under ‘Obamacare’ do not target beneficiaries — they come in the form of payment reductions to providers, mostly hospitals and insurance plans under Medicare Advantage.
Obama’s ad cited AARP’s support for passage of the law in 2010. The group argued that the Medicare cuts wouldn’t harm beneficiaries and it championed provisions expanding seniors’ access to prescription drugs. The ad continued that, by contrast, AARP warned that the Romney-Ryan approach to Medicare “would undermine the market power of Medicare and could lead to higher costs for seniors.”
The GOP statement argued that AARP stands to profit “by more than $1 billion between 2011 and 2021 alone” thanks to the cuts, arguing that the law would shift millions seniors off Medicare Advantage and onto supplemental “Medigap” plans. One of the largest Medigap plans is run jointly by AARP and UnitedHealthcare.
“So, to AARP, reducing Medicare spending is only acceptable when AARP benefits financially, regardless of how it impacts America’s seniors,” said the advisory from the committee, titled Medicare, Money and Motivation: How AARP Stands to Profit under Democrats’ Health Care Law. The committee is chaired by Rep. Dave Camp (R-MI).
A spokesperson for AARP did not immediately return a request for comment.
Earlier Friday, the group — one of many to fall out of favor with Republicans after backing the Affordable Care Act — kept its distance from the ad but didn’t alter its analyses.
“We were not aware of nor have any involvement with this campaign ad,” AARP senior vice president John Hishta said in a statement.“AARP is a nonpartisan organization and we do not endorse political candidates.”
Hishta added:“The next president and Congress will decide the future of Medicare.”

United States

#27 Aug 17, 2012
Presented With Letters, Ryan Admits Requesting Stimulus Cash
Gregory J. Krieg
Today, 10:35 AM

After repeated denials, Paul Ryan has admitted he requested stimulus cash even after sharply criticizing the program.
Ryan had denied doing so as recently as Wednesday, when he spoke to ABC's Cincinnati affiliate, WCPO, in Ohio.
"I never asked for stimulus," Mitt Romney's new running mate said. "I don't recall… so I really can't comment on it. I opposed the stimulus because it doesn't work, it didn't work."
Two years ago, during an interview on WBZ's NewsRadio he was asked by a caller if he "accepted any money" into his district. Ryan said he did not.
"I'm not one [of those] people who votes for something then writes to the government to ask them to send us money. I did not request any stimulus money," the congressman answered.
But as we've now learned, Ryan did write letters. He did request stimulus funds.
"The Olympics may be over but Paul Ryan could have gotten a gold medal in hypocrisy," a senior administration official told ABC's Jake Tapper. "As someone who spends all day every day railing against government spending, but then secretly seeks millions in funds for pet projects, he is as Washington as it gets."
In 2009, Ryan wrote to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis asking for stimulus money to cover costs on two energy conservation projects in his home state of Wisconsin. In the letter, Ryan said the funds would help create jobs and reduce "energy consumption" in the state. At least one of the companies received the requested cash.
The letters were first obtained by The Wall Street Journal through the Freedom of Information Act back in early 2010. The Boston Globe turned them up for the first time during this campaign season Wednesday. At that point, a Ryan aide referred ABC News back to what a Ryan spokesman said when the letters first went public.
"If Congressman Ryan is asked to help a Wisconsin entity applying for existing Federal grant funds, he does not believe flawed policy should get in the way of doing his job and providing a legitimate constituent service to his employers," the spokesman told the Milwaukee (Wisc.) Journal Sentinel.
Thursday, Ryan responded to the questions himself.
"After having these letters called to my attention I checked into them, and they were treated as constituent service requests in the same way matters involving Social Security or Veterans Affairs are handled," he said in a statement. "This is why I didn't recall the letters earlier. But they should have been handled differently, and I take responsibility for that.
"Regardless, it's clear that the Obama stimulus did nothing to stimulate the economy, and now the President is asking to do it all over again."

Charlotte, NC

#28 Aug 17, 2012
Can't go through all the "garbage" item by item here. But just pull back and look at the "big" picture or look at the "whole" forest instead of just the "trees." In a few years, it will eventually come out....that these last four years is the time frame where the"biggest fraud" was ever "pulled-off" on the American people......and their children and grand-children!!

United States

#29 Aug 19, 2012
WASHINGTON (AP)— Rep. Paul Ryan's plan for Medicare gets all the attention, but the GOP vice presidential candidate has proposed more fundamental changes to medical care for the poor and disabled.
Under the Wisconsin congressman's Medicaid plan, states would take over the program. Simultaneously, Ryan's proposed budget would reduce projected federal spending by about $800 billion over 10 years, shrinking Medicaid as a share of the overall national economy. The plan has passed the Republican-led House two years in a row.
Ryan would also repeal President Barack Obama's health care law, expected to add at least 11 million more people to Medicaid.
On both proposals, Ryan is in sync with his new boss, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney. But such cuts would result in millions of vulnerable people losing health insurance, according to advocates for the poor and some nonpartisan economic analysts.
"Medicaid is already a very lean program," said Edwin Park of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, which advocates for low-income people. "It is not a program where you can magically glean huge efficiencies by just devolving it to the states. The only way to compensate for funding reductions of this magnitude would be to institute deep, damaging cuts to beneficiaries and the health care providers who serve them."
Bring it on, says Wisconsin Health Secretary Dennis Smith, who oversees Medicaid in Ryan's home state. Smith, who works for Republican Gov. Scott Walker, says states can cut costs without gutting services by running Medicaid more efficiently.
"Everybody agrees that there is excess cost in the health care system, so by golly, give us the flexibility to address it, and we will," said Smith. "We can serve the people on Medicaid with the adjustments the Ryan budget. We can make that work."
For example, Wisconsin is now charging some low-income adults a modest monthly premium for Medicaid, tapping a new funding source to pay for valuable benefits, Smith said. And the state is looking for ways to help frail elderly people keep living at home, avoiding the costly alternative of a nursing home.
Medicaid serves nearly 60 million people, about 20 percent of Americans, a diverse population brought together by need.
Low-income children and their mothers, people disabled by life-changing injuries or birth defects, as well as elderly nursing home residents would all feel the consequences of the debate.
On average, the federal government pays about 60 percent of Medicaid costs, and states cover the rest. Medicaid has become a big share of state budgets, and since Washington sets many of the rules, the program is a source of constant tension between federal and state governments. The Supreme Court recently gave some latitude to states chafing at Obama's health care law, saying they are free to opt out of its Medicaid expansion.
Obama has largely shielded Medicaid from cuts in budget negotiations with Congress. But his administration has proposed new ways to allocate funding that could be used to dial back the federal share.
Ryan's plan goes beyond tweaking. It would essentially rip up the Medicaid manual and start all over again. States would get a lump sum from Washington, a "block grant" indexed to reflect population growth and inflation. The idea has governors split along party lines.
Ryan's Medicare plan, shifting future retirees to private insurance, would phase in over a decade or more. But the Medicaid changes would come much more rapidly. The proposal has not been fleshed out in detail, leaving many unanswered questions. For example:
—What happens if a state's economy tanks?
Under current law, the federal Medicaid share is pegged to program enrollment, not population growth, said John Holahan, director of the Health Policy Center at the nonpartisan Urban Institute. That means federal funding increases when the Medicaid rolls swell. But under Ryan's plan, "there are no provisions to automatically deal with recessions,"

Statesville, NC

#30 Aug 19, 2012
1throw wrote:
Can't go through all the "garbage" item by item here. But just pull back and look at the "big" picture or look at the "whole" forest instead of just the "trees." In a few years, it will eventually come out....that these last four years is the time frame where the"biggest fraud" was ever "pulled-off" on the American people......and their children and grand-children!!
yeah, but then it will be too late! The USA will have been so weakoned will just be another third world country. Which is what the politicians and hollyweird types,who hate America, really want to happen.

Great Neck, NY

#31 Aug 20, 2012
Ryan seems to be a lot more extreme in his social and financial views. My hope that if Romney gets elected, he will show more moderation is dashed by this pick.

Madera, CA

#32 Aug 20, 2012
brazos wrote:
<quoted text> yeah, but then it will be too late! The USA will have been so weakoned will just be another third world country. Which is what the politicians and hollyweird types,who hate America, really want to happen.
Have you been to a third world country? Like overseas third world countries? I have and it is not a bowl of cherries for these pitiful people. If not, think about stopping your lying and hatred for America yourself. It's sickening to hear people talking about America becoming a third world country because of who is president. Your words sicken me and show how ignorant you are. You stir up hatred is all you know how to do. Hatred among our citizens is what is ruining our people and our country. People like you.

Kings Mountain, NC

#33 Aug 27, 2012
Here is the definition and time span of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.

Federal Assault Weapons Ban
The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB)(or Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act) was a subtitle of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a federal law in the United States that included a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms, so called "assault weapons". There was no legal definition of "assault weapons" in the U.S. prior to the law's enactment. The 10-year ban was passed by Congress on September 13, 1994, and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton the same day. The ban only applied to weapons manufactured after the date of the ban's enactment.
The Federal Assault Weapons Ban expired on September 13, 2004, as part of the law's sunset provision. There have been multiple attempts to renew the ban,[1] but no bill has reached the floor for a vote.

Kings Mountain, NC

#34 Aug 27, 2012
Disgusted, Thank you for your service abroad. Please just look over the spammers who's 'thoughts' are far from true or logical. They don't know how to debate so, they post 'talking points' and swear they are facts. Also, they didn't realize that this thread is connected nationwide and ppl who were not just overlooking them and their ignorant rants would call them out. Have a nice day!

Kings Mountain, NC

#35 Aug 27, 2012
No, COLA increases are solely determined by the Social Security Administration. Nothing whatsoever to do with this being an election year. Conspiracy theories are. very entertaining, but should never be confused with the truth......

Social Security Makes the Call: No 2010 COLA
October 15, 2009

The Social Security Administration (SSA) announced on October 15 that the absence of consumer price inflation means the agency will provide no cost of living adjustment (COLA) for Social Security recipients in 2010. The widely expected announcement comes after last year's 5.8 percent COLA—largest in 25 years—and hits retirees during what's being regarded as the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.

Kings Mountain, NC

#36 Aug 27, 2012
Here is the Assault Weapons Ban the Romney signed into law:

Massachusetts law considers “assault weapons” to be part of a larger class of guns known as “large capacity weapons”. There are restrictions on possession, purchase and transportation of these guns and the penalties for using them in a crime are generally more severe. There is also a ban on “large capacity magazines” made after September 13, 1994.
The definition of “assault weapon” is the same as the federal law that went into effect on September 13, 1994.
Specific guns are banned by name, and guns with certain combinations of features are banned:

a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon ;

(iii) a bayonet mount;

(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

(v) a grenade launcher;
a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip,

or silencer;

(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits

the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and
a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of--"
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and

(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.'“

Kings Mountain, NC

#37 Aug 27, 2012
Offshore Bank....defined......

An offshore bank is a bank located outside the country of residence of the depositor, typically in a low tax jurisdiction (or tax haven) that provides financial and legal advantages. These advantages typically include:
greater privacy (see also bank secrecy, a principle born with the 1934 Swiss Banking Act)
low or no taxation (i.e. tax havens)
easy access to deposits (at least in terms of regulation)
protection against local, political, or financial instability
While the term originates from the Channel Islands being "offshore" from the United Kingdom, and most offshore banks are located in island nations to this day, the term is used figuratively to refer to such banks regardless of location, including Swiss banks and those of other landlocked nations such as Luxembourg and Andorra.
Offshore banking has often been associated with the underground economy and organized crime, via tax evasion and money laundering; however, legally, offshore banking does not prevent assets from being subject to personal income tax on interest. Except for certain persons who meet fairly complex requirements,[1] the personal income tax of many countries[2] makes no distinction between interest earned in local banks and those earned abroad. Persons subject to US income tax, for example, are required to declare on penalty of perjury, any offshore bank accounts—which may or may not be numbered bank accounts—they may have. Although offshore banks may decide not to report income to other tax authorities, and have no legal obligation to do so as they are protected by bank secrecy, this does not make the non-declaration of the income by the tax-payer or the evasion of the tax on that income legal. Following September 11, 2001, there have been many calls for more regulation on international finance, in particular concerning offshore banks, tax havens, and clearing houses such as Clearstream, based in Luxembourg, being possible crossroads for major illegal money flows.
Defenders of offshore banking have criticised these attempts at regulation. They claim the process is prompted not by security and financial concerns but by the desire of domestic banks and tax agencies to access the money held in offshore accounts. They cite the fact that offshore banking offers a competitive threat to the banking and taxation systems in developed countries, suggesting that Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries are trying to stamp out competition.

Lake City, SC

#38 Aug 28, 2012
Wishing the Republicans a very nice Convention and that Isaac misses!

Wise, VA

#39 Aug 28, 2012
Country Club wrote:
This is the winning ticket because they will defeat Obama on the job market and the Medicare debate. It is about time that we have a ticket that is willing to take on Medicare in the right way. Obama is cuttint some 8 billion dollars out of medicare for the current senior citizens in order to fund Obama care. Paul Ryne's plan does not affect those 55 and over in any way other than give them a choice to not have Medicare. By law you must take Medicare even if you don't want it. For those under 55 it will be restructed so that it can surrive. Obam's plan does nothing for the future.
So...Ryan's plan to turn medicare into a poorly funded voucher system is going to somehow SAVE medicare? WTF???
maniac mower

Julian, NC

#40 Aug 30, 2012
Good debating. I'm looking forward to the Presidential/Vice Presidential Debates. I'm going to suggest a couple of questions/subjects.
He ia a joke

Christiansburg, VA

#41 Aug 30, 2012
he is a jole
He ia a joke

Christiansburg, VA

#42 Aug 30, 2012
I watched Ryan speak @ RNC last night, he reminds
me of Pee Wee Herman

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