Romney-Ryan Debate - Elizabethtown, KY

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Are you happy that Romney picked Paul Ryan as his VP?

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believe a cracker

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#21
Oct 2, 2012
 
The Point wrote:
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Sorry, but manipulating monetary and fiscal policy is what Central Banks and Treasury Departments do. We've been doing it here since Hamilton, long before there even was a Karl Marx. Now you can debate appropriate policy (Keynes and Hayek seem to be the two most debated schools of thought), but blaming the sitting president is a little deceitful because Keynes is the prevailing economic theory for both parties. You sound like you need to look to the Libertarian candidate (Johnson) for someone you can get behind.
But, newsflash, the government spending isn't going to stop and deficits aren't going to drop under either party unless the economy takes off again...everyone sees what happened to Europe when they turned off the government spigots, and it ain't pretty. So your choice is to either spend that money domestically (Obama) or militarily (Romney). To put it in more concrete business terms, Obama wants to develop new products and customers, while Romney wants to reduce global competition and barriers. Obama is the internet company, Romney is the industrial manufacturer; so invest in whichever you think will perform better.
so why not keep the tax reductions, while increasing the tax deductions that reagan took away? think about it,it would be interesting....every capitlist dream. it would be like a "hail mary" to capitalist and a good "i told you so" to people like you...;)
if it didnt work, it would end the capitalist america. if it did.........hahahaah
believe a cracker

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#22
Oct 2, 2012
 
The Point wrote:
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Sorry, but manipulating monetary and fiscal policy is what Central Banks and Treasury Departments do. We've been doing it here since Hamilton, long before there even was a Karl Marx. Now you can debate appropriate policy (Keynes and Hayek seem to be the two most debated schools of thought), but blaming the sitting president is a little deceitful because Keynes is the prevailing economic theory for both parties. You sound like you need to look to the Libertarian candidate (Johnson) for someone you can get behind.
But, newsflash, the government spending isn't going to stop and deficits aren't going to drop under either party unless the economy takes off again...everyone sees what happened to Europe when they turned off the government spigots, and it ain't pretty. So your choice is to either spend that money domestically (Obama) or militarily (Romney). To put it in more concrete business terms, Obama wants to develop new products and customers, while Romney wants to reduce global competition and barriers. Obama is the internet company, Romney is the industrial manufacturer; so invest in whichever you think will perform better.
do you know whats the funniest thing ever......before long someone will have to click off a goofy advertitement to here either of our opinions,
so who owns topix? have you ever tried to inform yourself of that?
The Point

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#23
Oct 3, 2012
 
believe a cracker wrote:
<quoted text>so why not keep the tax reductions, while increasing the tax deductions that reagan took away? think about it,it would be interesting....every capitlist dream. it would be like a "hail mary" to capitalist and a good "i told you so" to people like you...;)
if it didnt work, it would end the capitalist america. if it did.........hahahaah
OMG, I think you're finally starting to understand economics ;)

Yes, tax deductions are stimulus = good for economy, while tax reductions for higher incomes are just lost revenue. Your boy Romney yesterday said he wanted to eliminate deductions to pay for reductions...worst possible thing to do for the federal budget, and he knows it...but most of his voters don't, and that's all he cares about. You're right that bringing back the deduction on credit card interest would send consumer spending through the roof and create millions of new US jobs, and we'd be well on our way to reducing the deficit. But that wouldn't help the mega-rich any, so the GOP wouldn't be interested, unfortunately.
believe a cracker

Campbellsville, KY

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#24
Oct 3, 2012
 
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OMG, I think you're finally starting to understand economics ;)
Yes, tax deductions are stimulus = good for economy, while tax reductions for higher incomes are just lost revenue. Your boy Romney yesterday said he wanted to eliminate deductions to pay for reductions...worst possible thing to do for the federal budget, and he knows it...but most of his voters don't, and that's all he cares about. You're right that bringing back the deduction on credit card interest would send consumer spending through the roof and create millions of new US jobs, and we'd be well on our way to reducing the deficit. But that wouldn't help the mega-rich any, so the GOP wouldn't be interested, unfortunately.
dont get to excited,i am talking about coorperate deductions.
buckeye independent

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#25
Oct 4, 2012
 
People say Obama looked uncomfortable in the debate, da. He was in uncharted waters, his whole career has been about seeking the next higher office therefore he could pick the negative aspects of the incumbent and go on the attack. He has spent each term in a office running for the next office, offense only no defense needed. It can be uncomfortable to be the target, to explain increased unemployment, doubling the budget when you promised to cut it in half, redeployment of troops not bringing them home, how health care has continued to go up under his plan and inflation is going crazy. He looked like someone that had to defend his lack of production for four years of work. He did that by stating in his term he has reduced taxes on middle income earners by over $3000, is the check in the mail or is that a bald face lie?
The Point

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#27
Oct 4, 2012
 
buckeye independent wrote:
People say Obama looked uncomfortable in the debate, da. He was in uncharted waters, his whole career has been about seeking the next higher office therefore he could pick the negative aspects of the incumbent and go on the attack. He has spent each term in a office running for the next office, offense only no defense needed. It can be uncomfortable to be the target, to explain increased unemployment, doubling the budget when you promised to cut it in half, redeployment of troops not bringing them home, how health care has continued to go up under his plan and inflation is going crazy. He looked like someone that had to defend his lack of production for four years of work. He did that by stating in his term he has reduced taxes on middle income earners by over $3000, is the check in the mail or is that a bald face lie?
I'll fact check your post for you. Unemployment was 7.8% when Obama took office and currently stands at 8.1%, so you're technically right on this one, but it is currently much lower than the 10% it reached in Oct. 2009. Federal spending in 2008 was 2.9T and this year it will be about 3.6T, which is nowhere near doubling. But what he said he would cut was the deficit, not the budget. The deficit is actually three time higher on lower revenue and unchecked Medicare/Medicaid growth. Inflation is not going crazy; gas and food prices are higher, but those aren't counted in inflation...real inflation is actually frustratingly low per the Fed. Yes, Obama did renew the Bush tax cuts and instituted his own payroll tax cut (both mistakes in my opinion)...check your pay stubs if you work. Also, you'll definitely see the difference when those cuts expire in January. Finally, you're definitely right about it being easier to be the challenger and make promises than to be the incumbent and defend them!
The Point

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#28
Oct 5, 2012
 
As of today, the unemployment rate is 7.8%, the same as when Obama took office.
believe a cracker

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#29
Oct 9, 2012
 
The Point wrote:
As of today, the unemployment rate is 7.8%, the same as when Obama took office.
i am not trying to be an as$, but it wasnt good then or now. thats why we have four year terms.
not foreign policy

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#30
Oct 9, 2012
 
The Point wrote:
As of today, the unemployment rate is 7.8%, the same as when Obama took office.
This won't be on the debate this week. Oh, but there is the rest of the figures on unemployment. Know what Stuart Varney said -- some quit looking. The trend is swinging toward Romney and I understand Obama actually thinks he won the debate! By the way, Red Lobster, Olive Garden, Long Horn --must provide 'affordable' health care if they employ more than 50. These restaurants have now gone to part-time employees to avoid the mandate. Listen up to the FACTS!
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#31
Oct 10, 2012
 
not foreign policy wrote:
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This won't be on the debate this week. Oh, but there is the rest of the figures on unemployment. Know what Stuart Varney said -- some quit looking. The trend is swinging toward Romney and I understand Obama actually thinks he won the debate! By the way, Red Lobster, Olive Garden, Long Horn --must provide 'affordable' health care if they employ more than 50. These restaurants have now gone to part-time employees to avoid the mandate. Listen up to the FACTS!
Hey, the numbers are the numbers. You can't gig the guy using the official numbers and then turn around and say they don't mean anything once they trend his way. And, no, these numbers never consider labor force participation; if they did, we would have had 50% unemployment in the 50's and 60's when women stayed home to raise kids. And, yes, the goal of Obamacare is to get everyone covered. Either the businesses that employ young people cover them, or they have to pay a penalty and the workers have to find their own...their choice, but either way, my tax dollars don't have to pay for uninsured people anymore, which is good. Olive Garden can charge me more for bread sticks if they need to recover the costs, but at least I get to make the decision instead of the tax man.
The Point

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Oct 10, 2012
 
believe a cracker wrote:
<quoted text>i am not trying to be an as$, but it wasnt good then or now. thats why we have four year terms.
I actually wish the founders would have made the President's term match the one 6-year term of Senators. Currently, Presidents spend their entire first term just trying to get reelected to a second term. That means they can't do anything unpopular with the people (like entitlement reform) or with donors (like military reform) until their second term. That's the primary reason I'm not excited about resetting the whole thing with Romney...don't want to wait another four years for something to get done on the deficit. If Romney actually did anything in his first term, we'd have a Democratic House in 2014 to stop all progress, and a Democratic President in 2016, thus repeating the cycle all over again. It's not a system built for change (which is usually good except for when you've gotten to the point that you've spent yourself into oblivion).
believe a cracker

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#33
Oct 11, 2012
 
The Point wrote:
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I actually wish the founders would have made the President's term match the one 6-year term of Senators. Currently, Presidents spend their entire first term just trying to get reelected to a second term. That means they can't do anything unpopular with the people (like entitlement reform) or with donors (like military reform) until their second term. That's the primary reason I'm not excited about resetting the whole thing with Romney...don't want to wait another four years for something to get done on the deficit. If Romney actually did anything in his first term, we'd have a Democratic House in 2014 to stop all progress, and a Democratic President in 2016, thus repeating the cycle all over again. It's not a system built for change (which is usually good except for when you've gotten to the point that you've spent yourself into oblivion).
im glad you mentioned spending.....i just tried to watched the vp debate , i couldnt make it through the whole thing! alot of talk about how we will spend money we dont have! i was left with the feeling that the election is determined by "what government can do for you". its so dishonest on both ryan and biden. only dramatic cuts and reform will work. nobody wants to tell the truth!
believe a cracker

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#34
Oct 11, 2012
 
The Point wrote:
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I actually wish the founders would have made the President's term match the one 6-year term of Senators. Currently, Presidents spend their entire first term just trying to get reelected to a second term. That means they can't do anything unpopular with the people (like entitlement reform) or with donors (like military reform) until their second term. That's the primary reason I'm not excited about resetting the whole thing with Romney...don't want to wait another four years for something to get done on the deficit. If Romney actually did anything in his first term, we'd have a Democratic House in 2014 to stop all progress, and a Democratic President in 2016, thus repeating the cycle all over again. It's not a system built for change (which is usually good except for when you've gotten to the point that you've spent yourself into oblivion).
i wanted to try to have faith in the system,but thats simply not true! we are screwed!
The Point

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Oct 12, 2012
 
believe a cracker wrote:
<quoted text>im glad you mentioned spending.....i just tried to watched the vp debate , i couldnt make it through the whole thing! alot of talk about how we will spend money we dont have! i was left with the feeling that the election is determined by "what government can do for you". its so dishonest on both ryan and biden. only dramatic cuts and reform will work. nobody wants to tell the truth!
Well, I'll recap for you. The first half of the debate was Ryan telling Biden that he isn't giving away enough of our money to military contractors; the second half of the debate was Biden telling Ryan that he won't give away enough of our money to the healthcare industry. And then both sides said they won because everyone was confident that all of our money would, in fact, be given away to one special interest or the other. Now we get to go vote on which industry gets it.
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#36
Oct 12, 2012
 
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Well, I'll recap for you. The first half of the debate was Ryan telling Biden that he isn't giving away enough of our money to military contractors; the second half of the debate was Biden telling Ryan that he won't give away enough of our money to the healthcare industry. And then both sides said they won because everyone was confident that all of our money would, in fact, be given away to one special interest or the other. Now we get to go vote on which industry gets it.
bring the troops back,seal off the border(israel can take care of themselves....im a zionist,but truth be known they would kick our as$ in a war). second, end nafta , this country can serve itself. third , enforce social security and welfare fraud! the money saved from these SIMPLE actions would generate more revenue than we could steel from tax paying citizens. who spoke of true liberty at the debates? not one. thats not thier concern or yours!
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#37
Oct 26, 2012
 
great choice
Janet S

Louisville, KY

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#38
Oct 29, 2012
 
old white woman wrote:
Our choice is clear. We choose a woman's right to birth control and equal pay. Or a loss of those rights. We choose Social security, medicare and health insurance choices that will save lives.
We choose a man who cares about the average American or we let billionaires buy an election for the own advantage.
We choose a man who tells us what is in his heart, what he wants for American or one who will say anything that he thinks will get him elected whether true or not, who cares more about getting the job than doing it. The President has not let us down, we let him down during the mid terms, but even worse we let ourselves down.
You are an ignorant old white woman who doesn't know the Supreme Court ruled on abortion not any President. It doesn't matter what they say. I'm happy to see the Democrats decided to go ahead and include God in their platform. So sad they weren't smart enough to agree on that.
Earl

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#39
Oct 29, 2012
 
The Point wrote:
As of today, the unemployment rate is 7.8%, the same as when Obama took office.
You have been all over this board pushing Obama down our throats yet are too ignorant to realize KY is a red state and all of your posts are a moot point. Obama has given up on KY. Better yet, Obama never thought KY was in play. He goes to Ohio every other day but never comes to KY. Why is that? Because KY will not vote for him. Why don't you know this? Louisville and Lexington, Jefferson and Fayette Counties will swing for Obama but all the other counties will vote for Romney just like they voted for McCain, just like they voted for old Bob Dole.
Your boy Obama will not win KY. Harden county will go Romney. Post 100 more thoughts on the subject if you wish, it won't change the outcome.
BTW a poll now says Romney is winning in OHIO.
IT MAY BE OVER, OBAMA LOSES = AMERICA WINS!!!!!!
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#40
Oct 29, 2012
 
Earl wrote:
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You have been all over this board pushing Obama down our throats yet are too ignorant to realize KY is a red state and all of your posts are a moot point.
I think I've said about 100 times that Romney will win KY by at least 15%. I'm not working for anyone's campaign, so I really don't care who you vote for. I'm just mildly committed to Obama as the lesser of the two evils myself, so I'm not trying to convince you of anything. But you should know that whoever is telling you that OH is going Romney is full of BS. In fact, looks like women are now breaking back to Obama after all the "rape and binders" stupidity. So try not to get all Confederate when things don't go your way.
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#41
Oct 29, 2012
 
Janet S wrote:
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You are an ignorant old white woman who doesn't know the Supreme Court ruled on abortion not any President. It doesn't matter what they say. I'm happy to see the Democrats decided to go ahead and include God in their platform. So sad they weren't smart enough to agree on that.
I think she's talking about the next President appointing enough Supreme Court justices to make a big difference should these types of cases come back up. You shouldn't be so condescending to someone who probably knows what she's talking about.

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