Offshore Drilling Debate - Albuquerque, NM

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Bruno

Albuquerque, NM

#107 Aug 7, 2011
We need to develop nuclear energy and the method of safely disposing of the spent fuel. It could supply almost all of our electrical needs while petroleum (and natural gas) would be used for transportation and other products, i.e., plastics. Using fuels where they are most productive is going to be a necessity in the future.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

Since: Nov 08

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#108 Aug 7, 2011
Where is Tesla when we need him?
ZIAmouth585

Albuquerque, NM

#109 Aug 7, 2011
To drill or not should be decided by those that suffer and benefit the most - the residents of the state whose off-shore waters are being drilled. Floridians have decided they don't want drilling while Louisianians support it. Let each state decide.

I'm with Bruno, more nuke plants. Best to use breeder reactors (like the French use) which have very little waste byproducts. Sticking to a smaller, standardized design would cut costs and reduce risks plus allow more integration with existing facilities.

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

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#110 Aug 7, 2011
Bruno wrote:
We need to develop nuclear energy and the method of safely disposing of the spent fuel. It could supply almost all of our electrical needs while petroleum (and natural gas) would be used for transportation and other products, i.e., plastics. Using fuels where they are most productive is going to be a necessity in the future.
Works for me, and look at all the side jobs that would be created for other businesses were some plants to be built. A win-win for America.

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

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#111 Aug 7, 2011
Willothewisp wrote:
Where is Tesla when we need him?
He was a VERY intriguing person with a boatload of foresight. I've studied him some and was most fascinated with his insight and abilities. HBO did a nice piece on him a few months ago too, A Modern Marvels segment I think it was.

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

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#112 Aug 7, 2011
ZIAmouth585 wrote:
To drill or not should be decided by those that suffer and benefit the most - the residents of the state whose off-shore waters are being drilled. Floridians have decided they don't want drilling while Louisianians support it. Let each state decide.
The problem with that scenario is there is no feasible means of keeping any spillage from getting to another bordering state that does not allow drilling. The Ocean does what it does in spite of our laws and rules. However...
WorkingStiff

Albuquerque, NM

#113 Aug 8, 2011
Jim-Bo wrote:
Plenty of oil out there, enough for our generations to come. Lets use that until we find other means.
We have so much oil that we could almost be self sufficient. If not self sufficient, it would definately bring the cost of energy down. The gasoline side of the equation may still be high due to limited production plants within the US. Result of high costs and stiff liberal regs to build them.

We have untapped reservoirs (in shallow waters) on the east and west coast that will never be exploited again due to liberal thinking and harsh regulations.

Yet countries like Brazil drills ultra deep off their coastlines for oil using cutting edge technology just off the white sandy prias (beaches) that bring them plenty of touristas and dinero that they thrive on.
ZIAmouth585

Albuquerque, NM

#114 Aug 8, 2011
Would not bring the cost of energy down even IF we were fully self-sufficient. Would likely bring down the cost of gasoline and other refined fuels but the basic commodity - oil - is a globally priced resource. If the world market dictates $200 dollar per barrel you think oil companies are going to cut Americans a special price deal. No, its about profit and making money thus the product follows the higher price.

Has little to do with "liberals". Ask Florida business owners who make their living off tourism what they think about drilling off the coast.

Brazil is not America. Poor countries have little concern for environmental issues until they become wealthier. Want to see a quick change of opinion, let oil wash a shore at Ipanema. I see Brazil is already caught up in a storm about how to divide the royalties up. Lulu wanted to equal sharing amongst the states; but looks like only a few coastal states will win. What's good for Brazil is good for America as that's where the oil will end up. Mexico oil exports are declining so Brazil provides a new source.

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

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#115 Aug 8, 2011
It would be nice if we did for ourselves for a change by using some of our own resources - oil in this case. Just as the government advocates them as the "storehouse" with entitlement and other social programs designed to make us dependent upon them, they tend to do the same with other countries for oil. That being making oil dependent upon someone else instead of ourselves.

A global economy is fine, as is worldwide trading and barter, but this is getting ridiculous. The rainy day for tapping our own oil reserves has arrived.
ZIAmouth585

Albuquerque, NM

#116 Aug 8, 2011
America does NOT have sufficient oil reserves to supply our needs. We supply half now. We have to get 9 million barrels a day from abroad.

Funny how people think "others" have no right nor say in where oil comes from. Its blame the govt simply because they don't like the guy in power. If "their" guy is in power, then there's validity. I think I have a voice in how NM resources are used. I'm a resident of this state thus should have an opinion which I pass on to those who seek favor when they run for elected positions. The same applies to other states. People in Florida don't want oil wells - but its Obama's fault. Uh, isn't Florida a RED state.

I love all this "govt wants to control us" nonsense. Have been hearing that crap for many years. Really, they give me money and I move to Mexico. How can they control me? Can't take away the money, would cause rioting plus would result in removal from power.
WorkingStiff

Albuquerque, NM

#117 Aug 8, 2011
The US is still the biggest consumer of crude oil and gasoline. If we became only 50% sufficient, this would lead to lower prices worldwide. Simple supply and demand. Of course over time the price will still rise because China, India and others are steadily climbing.

The problem with gasoline is that there are not enough refineries to keep up with demand. Most refineries are running at 100% capacity and not one has been built in over 20 years due to environmentalists, poor economy, and the sheer cost of building one.
WorkingStiff

Albuquerque, NM

#118 Aug 8, 2011
Oh, and Brazil is not a third world country. Far from it. It is however a developing country that needs to clean up its corrupt government and police force before it falls into a Mexico like state.
ZIAmouth585

Albuquerque, NM

#119 Aug 8, 2011
Brazil is a developing nation, yes but also third world. Its made great strides under Lulu but its still has a long way to go. Mexico is a developing country too. I've driven deep into the interior three times in the last 10 years and its third world in many, many areas. Yeah, its better to be called "developing" but look behind the fence and its "third" world.

Refineries are a problem but its more than environmental issues. They are extremely expensive to build thus capital is an issue. There is also NIMBY attitude of many that are close to populated areas. US refineries still refine over 17 million barrels a day. US still has to import refined products though.

US does supply half its own oil. Over 9M barrels daily come from US sources. Another 9M must be imported. Fortunately Canada and Mexico supply much of our imports.
WorkingStiff

Albuquerque, NM

#120 Aug 8, 2011
ZIAmouth585 wrote:
Brazil is a developing nation, yes but also third world. Its made great strides under Lulu but its still has a long way to go. Mexico is a developing country too. I've driven deep into the interior three times in the last 10 years and its third world in many, many areas. Yeah, its better to be called "developing" but look behind the fence and its "third" world.
Refineries are a problem but its more than environmental issues. They are extremely expensive to build thus capital is an issue. There is also NIMBY attitude of many that are close to populated areas. US refineries still refine over 17 million barrels a day. US still has to import refined products though.
US does supply half its own oil. Over 9M barrels daily come from US sources. Another 9M must be imported. Fortunately Canada and Mexico supply much of our imports.
Brazil is NOT a third world country although favelas are prevalent. And Lula (not Lulu) is no longer the president yet his predecessor was from his cabinet.

It is a very nice place to live actually and I plan to move back because of two things: a booming economy there and my wife would rather live there than here. Cost of living overall is slightly higher. But they have better medical and a better work regimen IE vacation, sickleave holidays.

I have worked in Villahermosa, Comacalco, Paraiso and other parts of Tabasco for Pemex and I have to agree with you that Mexico IS a third world country.

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

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#121 Aug 8, 2011
ZIAmouth585 wrote:
America does NOT have sufficient oil reserves to supply our needs. We supply half now. We have to get 9 million barrels a day from abroad.
I'm not talking 100%, however we could easily supplement our production with more domestic oil. The government has led us to believe we should only get crude from abroad.

“Not a fan of big government”

Since: Apr 08

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#122 Aug 8, 2011
WorkingStiff wrote:
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We have so much oil that we could almost be self sufficient. If not self sufficient, it would definately bring the cost of energy down. The gasoline side of the equation may still be high due to limited production plants within the US. Result of high costs and stiff liberal regs to build them.
We have untapped reservoirs (in shallow waters) on the east and west coast that will never be exploited again due to liberal thinking and harsh regulations.
Yet countries like Brazil drills ultra deep off their coastlines for oil using cutting edge technology just off the white sandy prias (beaches) that bring them plenty of touristas and dinero that they thrive on.
Years ago I worked for a company that searched for new oil reserviors.I want to correct your statement as it is a little mis-leading. The truth is.... There is plenty of oil to be self - sufficient for generations. The issue is the liberal agenda and the act of refining it. We can drill all we want, but we have a big bottle neck with refining (haven't built one since the 70s). Get rid of the liberals, build a few more refinaries, spend the next 50 years developing a better alternative and we are good to go.
WorkingStiff

Albuquerque, NM

#123 Aug 9, 2011
Jim-Bo wrote:
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Years ago I worked for a company that searched for new oil reserviors.I want to correct your statement as it is a little mis-leading. The truth is.... There is plenty of oil to be self - sufficient for generations. The issue is the liberal agenda and the act of refining it. We can drill all we want, but we have a big bottle neck with refining (haven't built one since the 70s). Get rid of the liberals, build a few more refinaries, spend the next 50 years developing a better alternative and we are good to go.
I dont really see where my statement was misleading. I thought I covered why refineries aren't being built today which I explained in more detail in posts thereafter. I mentioned stiff regs (due to liberal politicians and environmentalists), poor economy and the sheer cost to build them. Digressing, I will say that there are valid environmental concerns with these mammoth plants.

So did you work as a wildcat or do seismic logging? which company?
Jon

Albuquerque, NM

#124 Mar 14, 2012
I oppose, we need to find more other ways to find energy. We only have so much.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

Since: Nov 08

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#125 Mar 15, 2012
Oil is the energy of the past. To look to our future...the future...we need C4538hange...we need a new clean energy source. Where is Tesla when we need him? We will only develop this new source once the prices at the oil pumps stop us from using this source of energy. Save it for important things like plastic plates and forks.

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