Occupy Wall St Debate - Farmington, NM

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bob

Carlsbad, NM

#41 Nov 5, 2011
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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I've always believed that clinging to the modern liberal ideology, and preoccupation with sex, are both symptoms of the same mental disorder.
I don't suppose you realize how homophobic your post makes you sound?
i guess i'll try to be more tolerant. just don't be pushin your lifestyle choices on others.

Since: May 10

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#42 Nov 5, 2011
bob wrote:
<quoted text>i guess i'll try to be more tolerant. just don't be pushin your lifestyle choices on others.
I've always found it interesting how liberals preach "tolerance", yet the average conservative is far more tolerant of other lifestyles than most libs.

Conservatives just don't need to get loud about preachy about it. We leave that to the pastors.

Since: Jun 08

Farmington NM

#43 Nov 5, 2011
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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I've always found it interesting how liberals preach "tolerance", yet the average conservative is far more tolerant of other lifestyles than most libs.
Conservatives just don't need to get loud about preachy about it. We leave that to the pastors.
Wow thats a whopper. I think you might be confusing a libertarian view with mainstream conservative view? Last I heard, most conservative republicans favor a constitutional amendment, in effect, prohibiting gay marriage. Most conservatives also favor the prohibition of victimless crime such as making marijuana illegal. Libertarians like Gary Johnson are not in the mainstream republican spotlight.
bob

Carlsbad, NM

#44 Nov 5, 2011
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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I've always found it interesting how liberals preach "tolerance", yet the average conservative is far more tolerant of other lifestyles than most libs.
Conservatives just don't need to get loud about preachy about it. We leave that to the pastors.
indeed. privately conservatives are not only tolerant of the lifestyles they thump the bible and denounce, but, all too often are secretly practicing the actions they're trying to write litigation against.

Since: Jun 08

Farmington NM

#45 Nov 5, 2011
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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No, my logic is the epitome of rational thought.
I cant quite put my finger on it concisely, but there is something seriously wrong with this statement.

Obviously, a wise man would never say such a thing.

Its false because he cannot objectively analyze from various angles and he contradicts himself.

We have been under a conservative movement for the past 30 years, slashing taxes on the wealthy during wartime, deregulating wall street, killing off unions, allowing corporations to keep profits tax free overseas, and eliminating tariffs on imports. What is the result? The worst disparity of income we have ever seen, a government teetering on default, and a crummy economy.

Since: May 10

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#46 Nov 5, 2011
ephotonic wrote:
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I cant quite put my finger on it concisely, but there is something seriously wrong with this statement.
Obviously, a wise man would never say such a thing.
Its false because he cannot objectively analyze from various angles and he contradicts himself.
We have been under a conservative movement for the past 30 years, slashing taxes on the wealthy during wartime, deregulating wall street, killing off unions, allowing corporations to keep profits tax free overseas, and eliminating tariffs on imports. What is the result? The worst disparity of income we have ever seen, a government teetering on default, and a crummy economy.
Of course you would find something wrong with my statement. You are a liberal, and liberals, as a rule, abhor self-confidence.

And no, we have NOT been under a "conservative movement" for the last 30 years. The last true conservative president was Ronald Reagan, the standard by which others are judged.

Clinton was a mixed bag, I've heard him described as liberal during his first term, and somewhat more like a "Country Club" Republican during his second term. He certainly was not conservative by modern standards. George W. Bush was conservative socially, but somewhat more liberal economically, and when it came to big government. Obama is in no way a conservative, he is a socialist.

The reason we have a government teetering upon bankruptcy, and a lousy economy, is precisely because we do NOT have conservative governance.

A truly conservative government would cut taxes, AND cut government. It would cut spending, AND cut expensive and job-killing over regulation.

The nation we have today is the result of far too much compromise in exchange for political expediency. Everyone wants the benefit of government largess, while at the same time cutting revenue sources.

Can't happen.

We need to actually cut government, and cut it drastically, to match tax cuts, and the decrease in revenue caused by the downward spiral of economic decline. Families must live on a budget, government must do the same.

Since: May 10

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#47 Nov 5, 2011
bob wrote:
<quoted text>indeed. privately conservatives are not only tolerant of the lifestyles they thump the bible and denounce, but, all too often are secretly practicing the actions they're trying to write litigation against.
Wrong again.

True conservatives, by the modern definition of the word, simply do not care what other people's private lifestyles are. The vast majority of conservatives don't even "thump the bible". "Bible thumpers" are just the ones you libs target so you have something to attack. Modern liberals needs their scapegoats.

Same with the conservatives who practice what they denounce. Very few and far between. Far less than one percent, really. But they get the news because sensationalism sells, and again, libs need their scapegoats.

Class warfare and pitting segments of society against each other is really the liberal's only remaining effective tactic, being that the ideology has failed so miserably. Modern liberalism feels no regrets in taking down our entire nation on their way down.

“getting closer to home...”

Since: Aug 08

middle of nowhere NM

#48 Nov 5, 2011
Oakland Calif: another Iraqi Veteran hurt in clashes with police.. yup to young to know anything, and top it off with no clue why.. to young to make policy, or a difference to..what a shame

you think this way, of our military, that kept OBL out of your bed. Proud of my military, and our current Commander-in-Chief.Man is it going to be a blast, to read history, of the great white Obama...When America learned the true definition of a President.so young,, then why are they old enough, to die for you?

“getting closer to home...”

Since: Aug 08

middle of nowhere NM

#49 Nov 5, 2011
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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No, they do not.
then who did? last i read he was anti-color,anti-un-American [by his definition]white supremest,and very hateful of GW Jr. so who did? don't try to give a gun toting, short haired, anti-color piss ant to the hippies either..so who did it? ya ya i know his name, and you understand the question.your not stupid,thick,mmm, maybe a tad, but not stupid.

Since: May 10

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#50 Nov 5, 2011

“getting closer to home...”

Since: Aug 08

middle of nowhere NM

#51 Nov 5, 2011
bob wrote:
<quoted text>conservative young Americans blow up federal buildings in OK city.
to bad he is way to right. like this far right!

McVeigh, who had served in the U.S. Army from 1988-91, was an extreme conservative who later told investigators he was angry over the federal government's clashes with white separatist Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho in 1992 and with David Koresh and the Branch Davidians at Waco, Texas in 1993. McVeigh was convicted of the crime in 1997 and sentenced to death

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/timothy-mcveigh#...

Well Cary you got this one wrong,he was not JUST a conservative, but an "EXTREME" one,, as admitted by McVeigh himself.

Since: Jun 08

Farmington NM

#52 Nov 5, 2011
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Of course you would find something wrong with my statement. You are a liberal, and liberals, as a rule, abhor self-confidence.
And no, we have NOT been under a "conservative movement" for the last 30 years. The last true conservative president was Ronald Reagan, the standard by which others are judged.
Clinton was a mixed bag, I've heard him described as liberal during his first term, and somewhat more like a "Country Club" Republican during his second term. He certainly was not conservative by modern standards. George W. Bush was conservative socially, but somewhat more liberal economically, and when it came to big government. Obama is in no way a conservative, he is a socialist.
The reason we have a government teetering upon bankruptcy, and a lousy economy, is precisely because we do NOT have conservative governance.
A truly conservative government would cut taxes, AND cut government. It would cut spending, AND cut expensive and job-killing over regulation.
The nation we have today is the result of far too much compromise in exchange for political expediency. Everyone wants the benefit of government largess, while at the same time cutting revenue sources.
Can't happen.
We need to actually cut government, and cut it drastically, to match tax cuts, and the decrease in revenue caused by the downward spiral of economic decline. Families must live on a budget, government must do the same.
Nope, our predicament is a combination of deregulating wall street, and perpetual unsustainable war spending. I'll give you Fannie Mae Freddie Mac and blame the liberals on that. Otherwise, everything you say is false borne out by evidence. Government is shrinking, and taxes are at an all time low. And yet, we are not booming.

Since: Jun 08

Farmington NM

#53 Nov 5, 2011
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Of course you would find something wrong with my statement. You are a liberal, and liberals, as a rule, abhor self-confidence.
I respect self confidence when its displayed through performance and competency. I don't respect anyone who boasts how great they are.

“getting closer to home...”

Since: Aug 08

middle of nowhere NM

#54 Nov 5, 2011
ephotonic wrote:
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Nope, our predicament is a combination of deregulating wall street, and perpetual unsustainable war spending. I'll give you Fannie Mae Freddie Mac and blame the liberals on that. Otherwise, everything you say is false borne out by evidence. Government is shrinking, and taxes are at an all time low. And yet, we are not booming.
Good answer.. considering there new GOP Pledge, when elected.As Stated by Bohnner "That is, to do absolutely NOTHING DIFFERENT, than what they were doing under Bush Jr." before he left office:((( you got a great answer,, proving even after 15+yrs, of the rich getting richer. it don't and never has trickled down!! except in the Caymans in there banks,it will never trickle down to Americans.See even the Koch bros don't like it to trickle to the poor, or needy.. it goes to Cain, the puppet, from another mother..

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#56 Nov 5, 2011
just_nobody wrote:
<quoted text>to bad he is way to right. like this far right!
McVeigh, who had served in the U.S. Army from 1988-91, was an extreme conservative who later told investigators he was angry over the federal government's clashes with white separatist Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho in 1992 and with David Koresh and the Branch Davidians at Waco, Texas in 1993. McVeigh was convicted of the crime in 1997 and sentenced to death
Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/timothy-mcveigh#...
Well Cary you got this one wrong,he was not JUST a conservative, but an "EXTREME" one,, as admitted by McVeigh himself.
Of course I didn't get it wrong.

I could call myself a Marxist/Leninist, and a cared carrying member of the Communist Party, USA.....

...but that wouldn't mean I was telling the truth.

Simply put, McVeigh was a neer-do-well who turned into a terrorist. He didn't represent conservatism or libertarianism in any form whatsoever.

Conservatives don't gloss over terrorism, the way you libs do in Bill Ayers. We call 'em as we see 'em. McVeigh deserved the death penalty he got. But I DO believe that we will likely NEVER hear the full truth of the Oklahoma City bombing. Bill Clinton made sure of that.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#57 Nov 5, 2011
ephotonic wrote:
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I respect self confidence when its displayed through performance and competency. I don't respect anyone who boasts how great they are.
You talk as if I require your respect, or even desire it.

Personally, I'm proud of the namecalling and vile attacks you libs direct at me. If I weren't riling you up, I'd feel like I wasn't being very effective.

You see, I have no desire to compromise with you. I have no desire to offer an "olive leaf" in truce.

I'm in it to win it.

This is a culture war, for the soul of our nation. As so eloquently stated by Patrick Buchanan in 1992:

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/patr...

“getting closer to home...”

Since: Aug 08

middle of nowhere NM

#58 Nov 5, 2011
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Of course I didn't get it wrong.
I could call myself a Marxist/Leninist, and a cared carrying member of the Communist Party, USA.....
...but that wouldn't mean I was telling the truth.
Simply put, McVeigh was a neer-do-well who turned into a terrorist. He didn't represent conservatism or libertarianism in any form whatsoever.
Conservatives don't gloss over terrorism, the way you libs do in Bill Ayers. We call 'em as we see 'em. McVeigh deserved the death penalty he got. But I DO believe that we will likely NEVER hear the full truth of the Oklahoma City bombing. Bill Clinton made sure of that.
thats what he is called on the net. i just re-wrote what was already written, so he will go down in history as an extreme conservative,i just call em as they are written in history. he did deserve death, no argument there. you can say Bill Ayers all you want.. when he [ayers] was a punk radical,right or wrong.. Obama was 12, big deal, get over it.Im sure anyone who ever dealt with the ROTC guard who killed four in Ohio [funny considering the current political setting there today]just snapped to that,suffer as do those who knew Ayers. he don't does he, as times a fittin was ,screw it i will not go there, but if it was McCain who knew Ayers, and did, in political circles, not formally,not a word would be said,Obama did not go neg., neither of them did.. thats what made it that much better, for the country.

Since: May 10

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#59 Nov 5, 2011
just_nobody wrote:
<quoted text>thats what he is called on the net. i just re-wrote what was already written, so he will go down in history as an extreme conservative,i just call em as they are written in history. he did deserve death, no argument there. you can say Bill Ayers all you want.. when he [ayers] was a punk radical,right or wrong.. Obama was 12, big deal, get over it.Im sure anyone who ever dealt with the ROTC guard who killed four in Ohio [funny considering the current political setting there today]just snapped to that,suffer as do those who knew Ayers. he don't does he, as times a fittin was ,screw it i will not go there, but if it was McCain who knew Ayers, and did, in political circles, not formally,not a word would be said,Obama did not go neg., neither of them did.. thats what made it that much better, for the country.
Sorry, but intelligent people, who do their own research, will always know that McVeigh was not a conservative.

The idea that McVeigh was a conservative does work for the left though. The left always needs it's scapegoats.

McVeigh was more along the lines of the Occupy folks who keep trashing Oakland...he was a terrorist, as they are terrorists.

“getting closer to home...”

Since: Aug 08

middle of nowhere NM

#60 Nov 5, 2011
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Of course I didn't get it wrong.
I could call myself a Marxist/Leninist, and a cared carrying member of the Communist Party, USA.....
...but that wouldn't mean I was telling the truth.
Simply put, McVeigh was a neer-do-well who turned into a terrorist. He didn't represent conservatism or libertarianism in any form whatsoever.
Conservatives don't gloss over terrorism, the way you libs do in Bill Ayers. We call 'em as we see 'em. McVeigh deserved the death penalty he got. But I DO believe that we will likely NEVER hear the full truth of the Oklahoma City bombing. Bill Clinton made sure of that.
"they don't gloss over terrorism" considering Obamas job at war,and black ops, and black bags, ill stop there. this country did a most glorious job at Global presents lately! Bush paid Pakistan billions, to look, for OBL.. i always gotta wounder if we paid Pakistan to ,capture, or ,kill, him to, or was that another multi-trillion dollar contract?? I do agree with your intell assessment of Ok,and Clinton, there is a lot more thats there, but.....Face it hoss, terrorist come in all colors, shades, creeds, and ideology,nationality..as long as its human nature to kill, they will always have access to any device conceived,or invented..to do what man was meant to do,,,,,,,kill,, till your addicted, and its a act of beauty..
Pay attention

Farmington, NM

#61 Nov 5, 2011
Cary L Nickel wrote:
This is a culture war, for the soul of our nation. As so eloquently stated by Patrick Buchanan in 1992:
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/patr...
We're way past that. You don't seem clear on the concept. What does history teach us about nation states in which the population can no longer afford that which they produce and the income, wealth, and political power are concentrated more and more every year into fewer and fewer hands?

The liberal/conservative nonsense is great for talk radio and simple minds but has nothing to do with what is actually happening.

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