Occupy Wall St Debate - Farmington, NM

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Do you identify with the Occupy Wall Street movement?

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Nov 1, 2011
 
The movement in the USA is primarily groups of students who know nothing of life or it's challenges and rewards. Their complaints are based upon the influences of liberal news, society, and instructors, and have very little, if any, basis in reality. Until they experience some real life, say, about 10 or 20 year's worth, their complaints concerning life in the United States are based upon a false belief system taught to them by others, rather than learned through personal, first hand experience. They are thus invalid.

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#2
Nov 1, 2011
 
1st amend, and this. written in England. which BTW"America the Beautiful", has the same music that WAS, written for "God Save The Queen",mmmm,new regulations, now i have to salute during it.don't forget this, or just don't treed on me, even if i am nobody.

that and when your homeless, its nice to find a community of kindness.

Remember Remember the 5th of November
the Gun powder treason and plot
i can think of no reason why the 5the of November
should EVER be forgot..

Guy Faux
spreading what cannot be killed or nuked,an IDEA
"Freedom"

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Since: Aug 08

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Nov 1, 2011
 
Cary L Nickel wrote:
The movement in the USA is primarily groups of students who know nothing of life or it's challenges and rewards. Their complaints are based upon the influences of liberal news, society, and instructors, and have very little, if any, basis in reality. Until they experience some real life, say, about 10 or 20 year's worth, their complaints concerning life in the United States are based upon a false belief system taught to them by others, rather than learned through personal, first hand experience. They are thus invalid.
I agree to a point, but it depends where when it comes to age. some of the demonstration are not so young, but it does fluctuate widely at times.
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Nov 2, 2011
 
Cary L. Nickel has used the following logical fallacy:

The other type of ad hominem argument is a form of genetic fallacy. Arguments of this kind focus not on the evidence for a view but on the character of the person advancing it; they seek to discredit positions by discrediting those who hold them. It is always important to attack arguments, rather than arguers, and this is where arguments that commit the ad hominem fallacy fall down.

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Nov 2, 2011
 
Local wrote:
Cary L. Nickel has used the following logical fallacy:
The other type of ad hominem argument is a form of genetic fallacy. Arguments of this kind focus not on the evidence for a view but on the character of the person advancing it; they seek to discredit positions by discrediting those who hold them. It is always important to attack arguments, rather than arguers, and this is where arguments that commit the ad hominem fallacy fall down.
Aw, when I was 18 I knew it all too.

Now that I'm several decades older, I've learned that I didn't know as much at 18 as I thought I did.

Pretty much every adult feels the same way, if they have grown up at all.

You don't take advice on life experience from people who have had no experience with life.
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Nov 2, 2011
 
farmington has a street downtown named Wall St. Feel free to occupy it, all of farmingtons evil billionaires live there.
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Nov 2, 2011
 
Cary L Nickel wrote:
You don't take advice on life experience from people who have had no experience with life.
You live on a dirt road in two rented broken down trailers nailed together. And yet you seem to think you're qualified to pontificate on how things ought to work. Pot, meet kettle.

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Nov 2, 2011
 
In the know wrote:
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You live on a dirt road in two rented broken down trailers nailed together. And yet you seem to think you're qualified to pontificate on how things ought to work. Pot, meet kettle.
Sure, I live on a dirt road. There are more miles of dirt road in San Juan County than paved, by far. I prefer rural life to city life any day. You should see the dirt road my backcountry place is on! It hasn't been bladed for about 30 years!

As for trailers nailed together...hmmm...let's see: I've got a horse trailer...three utility trailers...one for the quad and go karts, one for firewood...one for general purposes...oh yeah, got a boat trailer with a boat on it..

...and just checked...none of them are nailed together..and none of them are rented to anyone. You can't be talking about my house, because I'm buying that, and it'll be paid off in just a couple more years. Used to have some rentals a few years back, but they were a big pain in the butt...

So nope, I don't know what you are talking about...and neither do you..

Thanks for making the conversation about me though! Liberals, when out of intellectual ammo, always make personal attacks rather than argue the topic at hand.

And yes, I am well qualified to pontificate on any subject I choose to pontificate on..like the "Occupy Movement", for instance, which has no direction whatsoever, and is just an excuse for a bunch young people to skip class, sleep in the park, whine and moan, and not get a job.
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Nov 2, 2011
 
It's the right thing to do.
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Nov 2, 2011
 
Look like home?

http://www.sjcassessor.net/popup.asp... 01A (Small).jpg&imagepath=Phot os_Web/2912
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Nov 2, 2011
 
Melanie

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Nov 2, 2011
 
In the know wrote:
Do you REALLY think that's the right thing to do?

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Nov 2, 2011
 
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Sure, I live on a dirt road. There are more miles of dirt road in San Juan County than paved, by far. I prefer rural life to city life any day. You should see the dirt road my backcountry place is on! It hasn't been bladed for about 30 years!
As for trailers nailed together...hmmm...let's see: I've got a horse trailer...three utility trailers...one for the quad and go karts, one for firewood...one for general purposes...oh yeah, got a boat trailer with a boat on it..
...and just checked...none of them are nailed together..and none of them are rented to anyone. You can't be talking about my house, because I'm buying that, and it'll be paid off in just a couple more years. Used to have some rentals a few years back, but they were a big pain in the butt...
So nope, I don't know what you are talking about...and neither do you..
Thanks for making the conversation about me though! Liberals, when out of intellectual ammo, always make personal attacks rather than argue the topic at hand.
And yes, I am well qualified to pontificate on any subject I choose to pontificate on..like the "Occupy Movement", for instance, which has no direction whatsoever, and is just an excuse for a bunch young people to skip class, sleep in the park, whine and moan, and not get a job.
most look like Collage grads,or of my age, and i ain't no spring chicken, and they live communicably better than we can in neighborhoods..to bad that IS this country.Depends where they are filming. as its national not local.
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Farmington, NM

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Nov 2, 2011
 
Melanie wrote:
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Do you REALLY think that's the right thing to do?
Why not? Cary based his assessment of the OWS issues on the age and appearance of the participants. Why can't we judge his arguements on his personal attributes rather than the merits? In order to do that we need to know all about him.
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Nov 2, 2011
 
In the know wrote:
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Why not? Cary based his assessment of the OWS issues on the age and appearance of the participants.
No, you're wrong about that. Cary merely repeats what he hears Rush (or some other equally extreme "conservative") say. He may not have any idea of the appearance and age of the occupiers, but it wouldn't matter. He doesn't think; he merely reacts and repeats the talk show rants.

Why can't we judge his arguements on his personal attributes rather than the merits? In order to do that we need to know all about him.
Wrong again. If you're attempting to emulate Cary, you will see that he doesn't know all about anything or anyone he chooses to rant about. As I said, he merely repeats the "conservative" talking heads rhetoric.

But beyond that, I believe it's a violation of his privacy to identify his address on a blog. In fact, you may have crossed a line here.
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Nov 2, 2011
 
Nope. What's posted is public information that's readily available. He chooses to use his real name and a photograph of himself/his horse/his Jeep. Real name + telephone book + assessors web page. Nothing sinister or private about it.
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Nov 3, 2011
 
good to see class warfare alive and well. If you live in a trailer or mobile home in the county you are a low income, welfare sucking, food stamp consuming lazy fat redneck or illegal. While, if you live in the city you are one of the affluent, well dressed, educated upperclass. Gawdf, stereotyping of mass proportions. Most of my neighbors in the county are either retired, close to retired, have nice horse ranches etc. Yes a fe redneck type environs that you can find also on hutton, cliffside etc in town. I owned a house inside farmington for over 15 years, and wanted out of the crime infested rathole and I lived in the Northeast of town, you know the 'good area'. But it is good to see that the esteemed obamas class division rhetoric is working in as small an area as Farmington NM, so you can just guess how it is in an actual city.

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Nov 3, 2011
 
In the know wrote:
Looks like a decent place! Why would anyone be ashamed to live there?

I don't see the "two trailers nailed together" that you spoke of...were you lying, or is it that you just don't know what you are looking at?

And look at those low, low taxes! Outstanding!

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Nov 3, 2011
 
classy wrote:
good to see class warfare alive and well. If you live in a trailer or mobile home in the county you are a low income, welfare sucking, food stamp consuming lazy fat redneck or illegal. While, if you live in the city you are one of the affluent, well dressed, educated upperclass. Gawdf, stereotyping of mass proportions. Most of my neighbors in the county are either retired, close to retired, have nice horse ranches etc. Yes a fe redneck type environs that you can find also on hutton, cliffside etc in town. I owned a house inside farmington for over 15 years, and wanted out of the crime infested rathole and I lived in the Northeast of town, you know the 'good area'. But it is good to see that the esteemed obamas class division rhetoric is working in as small an area as Farmington NM, so you can just guess how it is in an actual city.
To Obama supporters, class warfare is what it's ALL about. Liberals constantly denigrate the "money society" and the "privileged elite", yet they base their entire existence upon their perception of what they believe life should look like.

That's the beauty of conservative/libertarianism. I couldn't care less where a person lives, or how a person lives, as long as it is what makes THEM truly happy. One of my best friends lives in a travel trailer, entirely off the grid, on land he owns outright. He uses kerosene lanterns, battery and hand-crank radios, goes to town maybe once or twice a month for supplies. In the summer he ranches, chops firewood, an improves his homestead. In the winter, he gets on his snowshoes and hunts. His retirement income is MORE than adequate for his needs. What's more, when he leaves his place for "civilization", he can't wait to get back out there to the boonies.

If he wants to go outside and work on building his barn, he does. If he wants to make another pot of coffee and sit inside and watch the rain and snow fall, he does.

If I were to be envious of anyone, it wouldn't be someone like George Soros or T. Boone Pickens who each have far more money than they can ever use. It would be of my friend who lives life the way HE wants to live it, and how he wants to live it, beholden to no one for how he uses his time or effort.

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Nov 3, 2011
 
In the know wrote:
Nope. What's posted is public information that's readily available. He chooses to use his real name and a photograph of himself/his horse/his Jeep. Real name + telephone book + assessors web page. Nothing sinister or private about it.
Correct.

I choose to use my real name, because I stand behind everything I say. I have nothing to hide. The opinions of others concerning my personal life, the home I choose to live in, the vehicles I dive, mean nothing to me. My life is mine to live.

When it comes to political discussion, it's ideas that count. And the ideas of modern liberalism will ALWAYS be wrong, whether they come from someone who lives in a cardboard box, or from someone who lives in the White House on the public dime.

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