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#1 Apr 12, 2012
if I need to explain it, then you'll never understand. wORSE. Much worse.

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#2 Apr 12, 2012
Actually our economy has been going down the hole for a couple decades now. I am not sure it is worse or better. The smoke has yet to clear. One thing is for certain, we need to stop throwing money that we don't have at a failing system and find a new one that does work. As a rule people call this a democracy or a capitalistic society. Truth is, we are running several socialistic programs, with people screaming for more socialistic programs and no socialistic funding to back it up!! We need to stop riding the fence and choose one side or the other!

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#4 Apr 14, 2012
yup. Hybridized socialism. After the european model. And so here we are. but until we get a president who ONLY cares about fixing the system (or resetting it) and a congress (both house AND senate who love their country enough to do what's right for it (and stand no chance in hell come time for re election) we will continue to have the morass we have now.

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#5 Apr 14, 2012
I do not think there are enough people in the political world with enough guts to do what needs to be done. To be honest, I am not sure Obama was trying to fix anything. The president does not have enough power. I honestly wonder if some of his actions were not simply to wake a sleeping dragon and cause the beginning of the end. But that is just a rambling of a red head :)

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#6 Apr 14, 2012
towards validation of your comments, Google "lindsey williams+youtube+the beginning of the end"
AND
gerald celente or trends research journal, his web journal.

If you can sleep tonight after watching the williams video (2 yrs old) and then futurist celente's more recent stuff, you're a better man than I.

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#7 Apr 14, 2012
Well I was talking about the beginning of the end of our current political system. I have seen many things on Gerald Celente before. I deal in patterns myself through my work and I have always been fascinated by him. As for the end of the world... I always have to giggle some when people are predicting when it is going to happen. There is a passage in the Bible that states "No man shall no the day, nor angels in Heaven. Only God knows when he will bring about the end" Or something of that effect. Although here is a thought, with the world becoming as globalized as it is, if the USA falls, what will happen to all the countries depending on us??

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#8 Apr 14, 2012
Oh and, I sleep well, but that is because I tend to live my days to the fullest, and know that I can not control the actions of others, only my reactions to what happens. I don't wanna be all groggy and grumpy :)

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#9 Apr 14, 2012
no man shall know the hour~ actually a referemce to The Feast of Horns.

2012 the beginning of the end~
is about the end of America, not the world.

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#10 Apr 14, 2012
I am guilty of posting while waiting for the first video to load. I agree with some of the things, although I think that he is reading too much into superficial problems at some point.

As for the bible verse, it is repeated several times in the new testament as well. Mark and... Romans I think. Been a while since I studied, and too lazy at the moment to look it up.

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#11 Apr 14, 2012
I have been doing a lot of research into what is happening in our country in my classes this term and the reality of the matter is that our government, Bush or Obama, are not totally to blame for our current situation. The blame lies more on the financial institutions that can not figure out how to manage their money more efficiently than a bum on the street.
Take for example Bank of America. This is one of the United States biggest banking institutions and they only have enough equity to cover 11% of their current accounts. When these banks fail they take others down as well because they are all intertwined with each other with loans from one bank to the other which causes the domino affect we are seeing now.
This is the reason that in 2008 over $700 million was dolled out to the banks, to keep our stock market from completely failing and millions of United State citizens from loosing everything they had minus the $100,000 that the FDIC has insured.

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#12 Apr 15, 2012
I'm not going to say the economy is totally obama's fault either, but he certainly hasnt helped anything by doubling down on the bailouts or allowing QE 1-3 to go on, as he constantly lobbies for debt ceiling hikes.

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#13 Apr 15, 2012
btw, there are standards for liquidity, asset to investment, etc set for All banks set by thetreasury, fed, imf and bis. Look em up.

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#14 Apr 15, 2012
Yes there are standards for liquidity and asset investments now. However, these standards did not go into affect until after the first collapse (late 2008 for the international standards). By this time the damage had been done. The loans that were given out in the first part of 2007 are still failing fast. I know someone who does the dirty work for foreclosures and his work load just keeps increasing.
I am not saying that our current financial situation is all the banks fault though. A president can not triple a national debt in the first year in office and not be held accountable.

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#15 Apr 15, 2012
http://m.facebook.com/home.php...

look @ the videos there. 4 sources all agreeing.

They probably wouldnt agree on Anything else but this:

we're screwed.

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#16 Apr 15, 2012
I'm sorry but that link you posted took me to the mobile version of my own facebook account. I would gladly look over the videos if you can find another link to them.

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#18 Apr 16, 2012
several videos (#1 is long, but it kinda summarizes all the others) they're from opposing "camps" politically, which is what I look for before I pay attention...
When enemies agree, the point carries more weight.

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#19 Apr 16, 2012
Ok, first off I am not a big fan of Glenn Beck. With that said, I watched your videos with an open mind however, most of what he was saying in the first video was very twisted to his own agenda, trying to scare people. In respect to our aircraft carrier in the strait, it was already in the gulf and was sent to monitor what Iran was doing in the strait. I watched this particular story closely for the two or three weeks that Iran was there. Iran claimed that they were going to mobilize their Navy to try to come around the Cape of Good Hope and attempt to cross the Atlantic and launch an attack on the U.S. not block oil lines. The joke at the time was that Iran doesn't have the naval capability of making it halfway across the Atlantic much less to our shores.

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#20 Apr 16, 2012
Glenn Beck also lumps socialists and the Islamic extremist groups (which in reality are a small portion of the Islamic population) together. These two groups could not be more different. Socialists are a group that want government ran programs for the betterment of all people (something that I don't totally believe) however, the Islamist (the extremist groups) are more intent on stopping "Western ideas" from spreading to more of the world.
As for the protests, yeah, they did destabilize governments in the Middle East, but these governments had already had years of discontent towards the government. In Greece it was a similar situation. There the protests began when the public found out that their money was worthless (which is what our government was trying to avoid with the bank bailouts.) I will agree that we at risk for a financial meltdown here in the U.S. and it will happen.
I just find it funny that bankers are bringing the world down. I figured it would have been the lawyers.

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#21 Apr 16, 2012
I have to admit that I did not know about the anti semitic issues going on in Germany. I do not condone such ideas but, given that it can take generations for those hatreds to go away (look at racism here in the United States and that dates back well before WWI) it stands to reason that there would still be a problem with it today. I do not think that anti semiticism is an issue in our own government however, given that 99% of our government is one certain religion, I can not be so sure. Some of the points that he brought up were interesting and definitely worth a little more research.

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