Obama-Economy Debate - El Paso, TX

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Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#22 Feb 7, 2012
Both parties have screwed up the economy that is true but obama and his cronies have doubled down on screwing up the economy.

His continuos spending is killing this country.

Increasing taxes is not an answer. Taxes are already too high and penalize people that work hard and reward those that do nothing.

Tax revenues could be increased by a simple flat tax set up of 15% with a cut on exemptions. Very simple make $1000 pay $150 no exemptions no deductions. Make $100000 pay $15000 no exemptions no deductions.

The Fed printing more money is no answer as it would only drive the value of the money in the dirt and actually have the opposite effect by making the money worthless.

The Fed needs to spend less. That is right, They need to cut many of these social programs that generate nothing but welfare babies.

As to Fort Bliss. It is an illusion. All of the major contracts went to out of town contracters with only the grunt labor being local. Reyes sold a bill of goods to El Paso again. BY sending the ADA to Fort Sill he helped them more than El Paso. Anyone that has been here for a little while can remember the 3rd Cav and all the problems associated with them. That was a regiment he has arranged a Division of heavey Armor.
An Independent

El Paso, TX

#24 Feb 8, 2012
UR BS wrote:
Both parties have screwed up the economy that is true but obama and his cronies have doubled down on screwing up the economy.
His continuos spending is killing this country.
I agree that both parties spend too much. With the democrats, you know what you get when you support a big government party. But let's not just blame Obama, The GOP has controlled the house for well over a year and can you name one significant proposal to freeze spending let alone cut spending? Me neither.

You would never of heard of the tea party if the GOP actually believed in limited government.

Since: Feb 12

Waltham, MA

#25 Feb 8, 2012
An Independent wrote:
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I agree that both parties spend too much. With the democrats, you know what you get when you support a big government party. But let's not just blame Obama, The GOP has controlled the house for well over a year and can you name one significant proposal to freeze spending let alone cut spending? Me neither.
You would never of heard of the tea party if the GOP actually believed in limited government.
There have been multiple proposals to cut spending and to pass a budget but they have all been defeated.

I agree that both parties are at fault but obama has got to take the majority of the blame as he had an unbeatable majority in both houses and him as President and all he did was spend like a drunken sailor.

The Republicans do not enjoy that same advantage. They have a majority in the House of 242 to 159 which is not a super majority like obama had and in the Senate the Republicans are still the minority party at 51 Democrats to 47 Republicans with 2 independents.
So the vast majoprity of the blame for the mess that keeps getting worse is firmly in the Democrat court and as the leader of the Democrats obama's.

Since: Feb 12

Waltham, MA

#26 Feb 8, 2012
Just as an example here is the latest proposal by Republicans to cut spending. It is noteworthy that no cuts to Defense, Veterans or Homeland Security would be included in this plane.
It is called, "The spending reduction Act of 2011" and it wouls cut $2.5 trillion over 10 years. It was introduced by Jim Jordon a Republican from Ohio.

So the Republicans have made proposals to cut the spending but they have been thwarted at every turn by the Democrats, led by obama.
An Independent

El Paso, TX

#27 Feb 8, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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There have been multiple proposals to cut spending and to pass a budget but they have all been defeated.
I agree that both parties are at fault but obama has got to take the majority of the blame as he had an unbeatable majority in both houses and him as President and all he did was spend like a drunken sailor.
The Republicans do not enjoy that same advantage. They have a majority in the House of 242 to 159 which is not a super majority like obama had and in the Senate the Republicans are still the minority party at 51 Democrats to 47 Republicans with 2 independents.
So the vast majoprity of the blame for the mess that keeps getting worse is firmly in the Democrat court and as the leader of the Democrats obama's.
Ohh please, quit the partisanship. Were the demcorats responsible for doubling the size of government during the Bush years? Were the democrats responsible for the biggest entitlemnet program in decades called prescription for seniors? Feel free to point out the GOP proposals to cut Washington spending that you say were defeated? They control the house for well over a year with a clear majority and there is no such thing as a super majority in the house, like the senate. The GOP is every bit as fiscally irresponsible as the democrats. But if you are a partisan hack like most in this country, you will continue to blame the other party that you are not a member of.
An Independent

El Paso, TX

#28 Feb 8, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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It is called, "The spending reduction Act of 2011" and it wouls cut $2.5 trillion over 10 years. It was introduced by Jim Jordon a Republican from Ohio.
And they never even got it to the floor to vote.

Also don't fall for the "cuts" over 10 years. Technically it can be no cuts until years 9&10. Also when Washington mentions cuts, they refer to cuts on currently proposed spending increase. Only in Washington can they refer to a spending cut and spend more the next year than the previous one.

Also, we are currently experience annual deficits in the 1.3 trillion range. Even if they got this bill to be voted on and passed and all cuts did happen evenly over a 10 year period, this would reduce our debt by $250 billion annually, meaning we still would have trillion dollar deficits.

It is well past the time that the GOP takes the "limited government" lie out of their platform. The GOP should listen more to their libertarian wing than their pro life or pro family factions, but they don't.

Since: Feb 12

Waltham, MA

#29 Feb 8, 2012
An Independent wrote:
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And they never even got it to the floor to vote.
Also don't fall for the "cuts" over 10 years. Technically it can be no cuts until years 9&10. Also when Washington mentions cuts, they refer to cuts on currently proposed spending increase. Only in Washington can they refer to a spending cut and spend more the next year than the previous one.
Also, we are currently experience annual deficits in the 1.3 trillion range. Even if they got this bill to be voted on and passed and all cuts did happen evenly over a 10 year period, this would reduce our debt by $250 billion annually, meaning we still would have trillion dollar deficits.
It is well past the time that the GOP takes the "limited government" lie out of their platform. The GOP should listen more to their libertarian wing than their pro life or pro family factions, but they don't.
I am very aware of the Washington double speak.
The reason the bill didn't get to the floor was it was blocked by the Democrats.
Now the Annual deficit of $1.2 trillion falls directly at obama's feet and his Democrat cronies.
I am not sure why you keep trying to deflect the blame from obama and the Democrats but given the choice I would much rather have the Republicans setting the budget than the Democrats.
I did not go into detail on the cuts that were included in this bill but you can find them very easily and many would have gone into effect almost immedialtely while others would have been near the end of the 10 ywear period.
The Republicans have proposed multiple budgets that have all been thwarted by the Democrats.
The Republicans are not blameless in this but the vast majority of the blame must rest squarely on the Democrats and obama.
Having complete control of both houses and the presidency and still not being able to pass a budget is a discrace.

Since: Feb 12

Waltham, MA

#30 Feb 8, 2012
An Independent wrote:
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Ohh please, quit the partisanship. Were the demcorats responsible for doubling the size of government during the Bush years? Were the democrats responsible for the biggest entitlemnet program in decades called prescription for seniors? Feel free to point out the GOP proposals to cut Washington spending that you say were defeated? They control the house for well over a year with a clear majority and there is no such thing as a super majority in the house, like the senate. The GOP is every bit as fiscally irresponsible as the democrats. But if you are a partisan hack like most in this country, you will continue to blame the other party that you are not a member of.
Ihave tried to remain civil with you but yet you find it necessary to start name calling and attacking me personaly.

So oh please stop being an obamabot.

Remember that during the Bush years he had to work with a Democrat controlled congress for the greater part of his presidency. He never had the luxury that obama had for the first 2 years of his administration with control of both houses.
As to the perscription thing look at the make up of congress at the time. Look at the riders that were attached and the bargains that were struck in order to get it. Nothing is black and white as you would like to indicate.
An Independent

El Paso, TX

#32 Feb 8, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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I am not sure why you keep trying to deflect the blame from obama and the Democrats
Because the democrats support big government. They are not the hypocrites.
An Independent

El Paso, TX

#33 Feb 8, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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Ihave tried to remain civil with you but yet you find it necessary to start name calling and attacking me personaly.
So oh please stop being an obamabot.
Name calling and personal attacks? What name calling and personal attacks?
Obamabot? That is funny!
An Independent

El Paso, TX

#34 Feb 8, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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Remember that during the Bush years he had to work with a Democrat controlled congress for the greater part of his presidency. He never had the luxury that obama had for the first 2 years of his administration with control of both houses.
Umm Bush had a republican house for his first 6 years. When President Bush took office, the Senate was split 50-50 between the Democrats and Republicans. With VP Cheney's tiebreaking vote, the Republicans controlled the Senate until Senator Jim Jeffords from Vermont switched from a Republican to an Independent in June 2001 and sided with the Democrats, which controlled that Chamber until November, 2002. The republicans took control of the Senate in 2002 through January 2007. So Bush had a republican house and Senate in 4 of his first 6 years. During those 6 years is when spending exploded, thus my complaint with the "limited government" GOP.

Your next excuse for the GOP and their liberal spending should be coming up shortly I presume.

Since: Sep 08

El Paso, TX

#35 Feb 8, 2012
Lets see...GM, Solyndra, Telling people not to go to vegas, spending millions overseas on personal vacations, Michelle and her 5k dresses... where do i stop?

Since: Feb 12

Waltham, MA

#36 Feb 8, 2012
An Independent wrote:
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Name calling and personal attacks? What name calling and personal attacks?
Obamabot? That is funny!
" a partisan hack "

Not exactly civil.

That is ok because it lets me know exactly where you are coming from.

It is all Bush's fault. Sorry that is lame and has long out run its ability to bear weight.

And yes obamabot. You can not deny that you have bent over backwards defending him on this thread. You can call yourself independent but it is clear that is a misnomer you are actually a Democrat.
As to the other statement about it is OK because the Democrats claim to be big Government that is just plain foolish. The Democrats are class warfare advocates and panderers to anyone they feel they can manipulate.
Many of the Republicans have abandoned their principles and need to be replaced as many were in the last election cycle to conservatives but that does not mean that we should elect or support a party that had no principles to begin with.
So as I have stated the Republicans are not guilt free for this mess but the Democrats and obama must bear the brunt of the responsibility.
Professional Politicians no matter the affiliation, or lack ther of, are a danger to everyone as they have only one interest at heart and that is their reelection and continued tenure.

Since: Feb 12

Waltham, MA

#37 Feb 8, 2012
Grand Old Party wrote:
Lets see...GM, Solyndra, Telling people not to go to vegas, spending millions overseas on personal vacations, Michelle and her 5k dresses... where do i stop?
Agree.

Since: Sep 08

El Paso, TX

#38 Feb 8, 2012
Rules for radicals baby!!

Since: Feb 12

Waltham, MA

#39 Feb 8, 2012
An Independent wrote:
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Umm Bush had a republican house for his first 6 years. When President Bush took office, the Senate was split 50-50 between the Democrats and Republicans. With VP Cheney's tiebreaking vote, the Republicans controlled the Senate until Senator Jim Jeffords from Vermont switched from a Republican to an Independent in June 2001 and sided with the Democrats, which controlled that Chamber until November, 2002. The republicans took control of the Senate in 2002 through January 2007. So Bush had a republican house and Senate in 4 of his first 6 years. During those 6 years is when spending exploded, thus my complaint with the "limited government" GOP.
Your next excuse for the GOP and their liberal spending should be coming up shortly I presume.
At no time did Bush ever have the majority that obama has had.
Now you see your poor attempt at sarcasm brings out your true colors. I was 100% correct when I said obamabot.
Try looking here if you like it may educate a little.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/30/obamas-and-...
An Independent

El Paso, TX

#40 Feb 8, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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" a partisan hack "
Not exactly civil.
Yet you are a partisan hack. Defending the GOP and blaming the democrats, that fits the bill as being partisan.
An Independent

El Paso, TX

#41 Feb 8, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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It is all Bush's fault. Sorry that is lame and has long out run its ability to bear weight.
Let's see, spending exploded under his watch, new entitlements he supported. He supported doubling the dept of education. He supported two unfunded wars. He supported the bailouts.

Who was responsible for this? Obama?

Since: Feb 12

Waltham, MA

#42 Feb 8, 2012
An Independent wrote:
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Yet you are a partisan hack. Defending the GOP and blaming the democrats, that fits the bill as being partisan.
Just as you are a partisan hack defending the Democrats andf blaming the Republicans.
By the way I have stated repeatedly that both parties are to blame but it is the Democrats that are the most to blame. I guess you must have missed that evry time I posted it.

Since: Feb 12

Waltham, MA

#43 Feb 8, 2012
An Independent wrote:
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Let's see, spending exploded under his watch, new entitlements he supported. He supported doubling the dept of education. He supported two unfunded wars. He supported the bailouts.
Who was responsible for this? Obama?
Lets see all the Democrats in congress voted to go and fight those wars. The doubling of the Dept of Ed was introduced in a Democrat sponsored bill. He signed of on the first TARP. The bailouts is obama's baby as is the second TARP and the other unfunded things.
So who's fault is that? Bush?

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