Obama-Marriage Debate - Somerset, KY

Discuss the national Obama-Marriage debate in Somerset, KY.

Are you with President Obama in supporting gay marriage?

Somerset is not with Obama on gay marriage
Not at all
 
92
Yes, all the way
 
65
I'm on the fence
 
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#1333 Feb 11, 2013
Well it is clear Pollster can't come up with a legal argument so instead decides to use religion. The thing about religion is that it is open to interpretation. There are many Christian denominations out there that approve SSM. Are they wrong and your right? Who decides? This is why concerning this issue religion has NOTHING to do with a legal contract controlled by the state and not the church.

You I will respect because yours are based on religious beliefs, Brian however is not. I will not debate you further on this issue, because you want to argue religion and morality which are both VERY subjective and so we would be at an stalemate. The very real thing is that I support your opinion even though I don't agree with it. You have the right to feel how you wish, however you do not have the right to impose your beliefs on me.....That is why SSM will happen and be legal very soon.

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#1334 Feb 12, 2013
I'm reminded of Patton Oswalt in response to the idea that a person would be against gays because of the Bible:

"I'm glad you like a book...but just because you like a book doesn't mean you can have the thing in the book that you like happen in real life. That's what crazy people want."



Good comedians bring it down to the truth.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1335 Feb 12, 2013
Allanon80 wrote:
Well it is clear Pollster can't come up with a legal argument so instead decides to use religion. The thing about religion is that it is open to interpretation. There are many Christian denominations out there that approve SSM. Are they wrong and your right? Who decides? This is why concerning this issue religion has NOTHING to do with a legal contract controlled by the state and not the church.
You I will respect because yours are based on religious beliefs, Brian however is not. I will not debate you further on this issue, because you want to argue religion and morality which are both VERY subjective and so we would be at an stalemate. The very real thing is that I support your opinion even though I don't agree with it. You have the right to feel how you wish, however you do not have the right to impose your beliefs on me.....That is why SSM will happen and be legal very soon.
No doubt much of the arguments presented to the SCOTUS against SSM {Same Sex Marriage} will have many of the nuances concerning marriage discussed in this video link.

And in my own personal view of scripture and understanding of culture norms as a whole.

I believe if the SCOTUS legalizes SSM it will have a devastating impact upon all future generation's.

I believe it would eclipse Roe v Wade in terms of negative impact upon not only the U.S. but the entire world civilization.

And I am still left to consider Scriptures declarations concerning the last days. And the perversion that will come with those last days.

1st Timothy 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God has created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Could the SCOTUS abolish all marriage?

I dont know, I am still thinking about it within the scope of scripture.

Matthew 10:15 Truly I say to you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city.

It is interesting that Jesus references Sodom and Gomorrah in-light of the last days.

And we know that the homosexuals were responsible for the collapse and destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Will they actually bring this prophecy into concretion?

I dont know, I am just trying to understand this stuff.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1336 Feb 12, 2013
Allanon80 wrote:
Well it is clear Pollster can't come up with a legal argument so instead decides to use religion. The thing about religion is that it is open to interpretation. There are many Christian denominations out there that approve SSM. Are they wrong and your right? Who decides? This is why concerning this issue religion has NOTHING to do with a legal contract controlled by the state and not the church.
You I will respect because yours are based on religious beliefs, Brian however is not. I will not debate you further on this issue, because you want to argue religion and morality which are both VERY subjective and so we would be at an stalemate. The very real thing is that I support your opinion even though I don't agree with it. You have the right to feel how you wish, however you do not have the right to impose your beliefs on me.....That is why SSM will happen and be legal very soon.
"consenting adult" does not make it ok.

Adults consent to do a lot of things, that is no justification to engage in sexual perversion.

Adults consent to rob banks, that is no justification for robbing banks.

Your argument is moot!

Adults consent to a public orgy.

And moving an orgy to a private location does not change the fact that an orgy is corrupt behavior, like homosexuality.

What homosexuals do behind closed door does not make homosexuality ok.

People plan kidnappings behind closed doors, that does not make it ok.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1338 Feb 12, 2013
Why all the violence?

All societal norms continue to be skewed from the proliferation of homosexuality/lesbianism taught to school children, Polygamy, division within the home, out of wedlock births, mothers/fathers absent, children farmed out to homosexuals, no female role model, rampant welfare, gambling, lotto, alcohol, dope, reality TV, homosexual, lesbian, heterosexual domestic violence, unlimited access to the internet, homosexual pedophile priest, unlimited,unsupervised access to violent video imagery, a sense of discord/divisiveness within all culture, law enforce ridiculed, atheist frivolous law suits to remove culture norms, all Christian organizations under attack, gender selection abortions.

Attempting to redefine marriage which removes the purpose and benefits that heterosexual marriage provides to children and to a society, in an attempt to shift the essential needs of marriage and family to a culture, to the inessential needs of the single homosexual. These are just for starters as to why there is such violence. Blame the liberal adults!

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#1339 Feb 12, 2013
Pollster wrote:
<quoted text>
"consenting adult" does not make it ok.
Adults consent to do a lot of things, that is no justification to engage in sexual perversion.
Adults consent to rob banks, that is no justification for robbing banks.
Your argument is moot!
Adults consent to a public orgy.
And moving an orgy to a private location does not change the fact that an orgy is corrupt behavior, like homosexuality.
What homosexuals do behind closed door does not make homosexuality ok.
People plan kidnappings behind closed doors, that does not make it ok.
Everything you mentioned here harms another person by infringing on there rights. SSM does not. You may not like it morally, but it does not effect your rights or prevent you from doing anything. So your argument is the one that is moot not mine. Once again you can't legislate law via your subjective morality especially when the law does not infringe on your rights.

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#1340 Feb 12, 2013
Pollster wrote:
<quoted text>
Matthew 10:15 Truly I say to you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city.
It is interesting that Jesus references Sodom and Gomorrah in-light of the last days.
And we know that the homosexuals were responsible for the collapse and destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Will they actually bring this prophecy into concretion?
I dont know, I am just trying to understand this stuff.
I would stay away from this line of thinking since most theologians in the academic world do not believe this at all. Considering the line of conversations that happened between Lot, the angels and the townsfolk. You either are interpreting what you think happened or parroting what someone else told you happened. Either way this has no legal bearing on SSM marriage via the state. It might for you because of your beliefs, but as you know we don't legislate religious beliefs, if we did who's would be legislate?
KELLERMAN

Huntsville, OH

#1341 Feb 12, 2013
ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. ALL PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS. IT ISN'T A FREE COUNTRY FOR THOSE WHO ARE DISCRIMATED AGAINST.
KELLERMAN

Huntsville, OH

#1342 Feb 12, 2013
Pollster wrote:
Why all the violence?
All societal norms continue to be skewed from the proliferation of homosexuality/lesbianism taught to school children, Polygamy, division within the home, out of wedlock births, mothers/fathers absent, children farmed out to homosexuals, no female role model, rampant welfare, gambling, lotto, alcohol, dope, reality TV, homosexual, lesbian, heterosexual domestic violence, unlimited access to the internet, homosexual pedophile priest, unlimited,unsupervised access to violent video imagery, a sense of discord/divisiveness within all culture, law enforce ridiculed, atheist frivolous law suits to remove culture norms, all Christian organizations under attack, gender selection abortions.
Attempting to redefine marriage which removes the purpose and benefits that heterosexual marriage provides to children and to a society, in an attempt to shift the essential needs of marriage and family to a culture, to the inessential needs of the single homosexual. These are just for starters as to why there is such violence. Blame the liberal adults!
I'm glad I don't know you or live next door to you. I don't understand your over whelming concern on gay issues. How are you personally effective by them. If you don't want to be gay than remain straight or whatever you choose. You will not be the final judge on this and I'm sure the gays will be glad. You should place all of your energy in making your community better. Plenty of churches and agencies in need of help.
Nature boy

Lancing, TN

#1343 Feb 12, 2013
Are gays part of mother natures scheme of reproduction?

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#1344 Feb 12, 2013
Nature boy wrote:
Are gays part of mother natures scheme of reproduction?
Does the answer matter when it concerns this debate?
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1345 Feb 12, 2013
KELLERMAN wrote:
<quoted text> I'm glad I don't know you or live next door to you. I don't understand your over whelming concern on gay issues. How are you personally effective by them. If you don't want to be gay than remain straight or whatever you choose. You will not be the final judge on this and I'm sure the gays will be glad. You should place all of your energy in making your community better. Plenty of churches and agencies in need of help.
marriage:

1. a. the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc. Antonyms: separation.

b. a similar institution involving partners of the same gender: gay marriage. Antonyms: separation.

Similar?

Once again the whole corrupt concept of gay marriage is nothing but a total facade. All tweaked, twisted and contorted to appear normal and valid.

Based upon a total fabrication and lie!

Similar?

When you think of gay marriage, think of artificial vanilla!

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#1346 Feb 12, 2013
Marriage has been gender diverse since the beginning of written law until the 21st century. To add a new dimension of gender segregation to marriage would harm all and help none.
KELLERMAN

Huntsville, OH

#1347 Feb 12, 2013
Pollster wrote:
<quoted text>
marriage:
1. a. the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc. Antonyms: separation.
b. a similar institution involving partners of the same gender: gay marriage. Antonyms: separation.
Similar?
Once again the whole corrupt concept of gay marriage is nothing but a total facade. All tweaked, twisted and contorted to appear normal and valid.
Based upon a total fabrication and lie!
Similar?
When you think of gay marriage, think of artificial vanilla!
This is the same rhetoric as usual. I have no other comments and I would assume that most would agree that you offer nothing new to the conversation. Your days and nights must be long due to your excessive thoughts on gay issues.

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#1348 Feb 12, 2013
Pollster wrote:
Why all the violence?
All societal norms continue to be skewed from the proliferation of homosexuality/lesbianism taught to school children, Polygamy, division within the home, out of wedlock births, mothers/fathers absent, children farmed out to homosexuals, no female role model, rampant welfare, gambling, lotto, alcohol, dope, reality TV, homosexual, lesbian, heterosexual domestic violence, unlimited access to the internet, homosexual pedophile priest, unlimited,unsupervised access to violent video imagery, a sense of discord/divisiveness within all culture, law enforce ridiculed, atheist frivolous law suits to remove culture norms, all Christian organizations under attack, gender selection abortions.
Attempting to redefine marriage which removes the purpose and benefits that heterosexual marriage provides to children and to a society, in an attempt to shift the essential needs of marriage and family to a culture, to the inessential needs of the single homosexual. These are just for starters as to why there is such violence. Blame the liberal adults!
You are an absolute insane person. Seek help. Now. And please...if you are not already neutered get yourself fixed.

The crazy-o-meter always goes red when you post.

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#1349 Feb 12, 2013
Pollster wrote:
Why all the violence? All societal norms continue to be skewed from the proliferation of ...(craziness)... unlimited access to the internet ...(craziness)...
I pulled that out of a long list of bizarre claims to highlight where fanaticism can lead a captive mind. Freedom of speech and free access to information are some of the root causes of violence? Pay attention kids. Liberals aren't the ones trying to censor and limit your access to information.

Another highlight was the bit about farming out babies to homosexuals. I am trying to figure out how that works. We have a bunch of unwanted babies in orphanages who need parents. Allowing gay parents to adopt them is somehow worse than having no parents at all? Is that what you are saying? No parents are better than two parents with the same genitalia? What about having the same genitalia makes them bad parents? I mean just think it through for a minute.

Let's say we have Chuck and Larry, an upper middle-class family wanting to adopt a baby in an inner-city orphanage. What makes them bad parents? I mean, what is the connection between them having the same "gear" and sucking at parenting? Is it a law of the universe unknown to me? Also, why does having the same "gear" make them suck so bad at parenting that they are actually worse for the child than having no parents at all, growing up without a single person loving them enough to take care of them other than the secular state you already demonize? It may be true that in a perfect world, all children are loved by the mother and father who made them but we do not live in that world. We have to cope with the hand we are dealt and unfortunately, that means dealing with a whole lot of unwanted children.

I do not want to be unnecessarily cruel here because I get the suspicion you are either elderly or a very secluded fundamentalist and some changes in modern society may be a little jarring, but you have to realize that some of this is just nuts. We are all going to be ok. There's no big agenda to ruin your world. I am pretty socially liberal and if I am part of a secret agenda to bring about the apocalypse, nobody told me about it.

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#1350 Feb 13, 2013
If you feel marriage should be male/female, you believe in diversity and integration. If you believe in same sex marriage, you believe in segregation and gender apartheid marriage.

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#1351 Feb 13, 2013
why are we yelling?
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1353 Feb 13, 2013
Allanon80 wrote:
<quoted text>
Everything you mentioned here harms another person by infringing on there rights. SSM does not. You may not like it morally, but it does not effect your rights or prevent you from doing anything. So your argument is the one that is moot not mine. Once again you can't legislate law via your subjective morality especially when the law does not infringe on your rights.
Simply the truth!

This child was given birth based entirely upon a host of homosexual lies, moral corruption, financial corruption, and a host of other corruptions all promulgated via lying homosexuals and the perversion they promote! This is one of the reasons the homosexuals try to get TVOSR to talk about other things! They don't like being exposed for what they really are! They support these monsters and what they did to this child!

In Luke 17:1-2 Jesus declares that “offenses will come,” but then adds,“but woe be to the one who cause offenses”.

In Matthew 18:1-10 we learn that Jesus particularly warns individuals of the dire consequences that will befall those who offend little children or young Christians!

As we consider this great atrocity that has been perpetrated against this child, we must naturally place the child's lifelong welfare and emotions first! Although when a person considers what really went on behind the scenes, one realizes that this child's future was never considered in terms of negative personal and emotional pain! As a individual looks at who the players were that, participated in this most Frankenstein of concepts, they become very aware of the fact that there were mainly four monsters involved in this lab experiment, that created this experimental child!

[1] The Elton John monster!

[2] The David Furnish monster!

[3] The Biological monster that provided the egg!

[4] The Surrogate monster that accepted the biological monsters egg!

Clearly this whole experiment that was hatched in Frankenstein's lab, was given birth based upon several personal interests at several different levels! It would be hard to identify who the chief monster was, given so many were involved! This child was clearly brought into this world based upon mans selfishness and greed! No thought, no love, no concern, no consideration for the well-being of this child was ever considered! Everyone involved got something, at the expense of the child, and with the exception of the child! Clearly the Biological and Surrogate monsters were well paid for their participation in this corrupt experiment! The other two monsters involvement was clearly driven via selfishness and corruption, driven by a desire to posses something that, because of the corrupt lifestyle both monsters have chosen to in-gauge in! God, by his wisdom and consideration for the well-being of all children has denied them! And now there is a child that one day will grow to become a very troubled and tortured soul, as the child comes too the true realization of how and why it was created, and the monsters involved in its creation! Many of whom will remain anonymous through out the child's lifetime! Jesus Christ said that there would be offenses and atrocities brought about by man and perpetrated upon children! He also said, God help the individuals that commits these offenses and atrocities against children! You may laugh and scoff and twist as you sit upon the sidelines of life! But some day there will be Godly justice for this child and the helpless! The eternal wheels of Gods justice may grind slowly, but they grind finely! There is also a fifth monster involved in this Frankenstein experiment! And its name is, Homosexual Ideology!
Nature boy

Lancing, TN

#1354 Feb 13, 2013
Being homosexual is a crime against nature. Homosexual acts are the same as having sex with animals.

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