Obama-Marriage Debate - Somerset, KY

Discuss the national Obama-Marriage debate in Somerset, KY.

Are you with President Obama in supporting gay marriage?

Somerset is not with Obama on gay marriage
Not at all
 
92
Yes, all the way
 
65
I'm on the fence
 
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Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1179 Jan 27, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
Pollster, LOL!
First of al
There can be no doubt that the gay agenda has clearly desensitized our culture. To have the perception it needs to truly discern sexual deviant behavour.

And this is further evidenced by the most resent case of sexual deviance involving Jerry Sandusky. There is no doubt that the officials at Penn had allowed themselves to become so desensitized as to his sexual deviance. That they were willing to look the other way.

But when a society is bombarded. And has the full support of the President of the United States. That it is proper and normal behavour for two men to in-gauge in sexual practices with one another. This only serves to advance and instill an desensitized attitude toward this type of Sandusky behavour.

And this is the same reason that there is little outcry concerning the high murder rate in Chicago. We see so much crime that we have just become desensitized to it. We refuse to accept it as gay behavour for what it truly is, devilish and corrupt.

And that young child that was encouraged to participate in the making of that racy video has drawn little attention as well. Actually one physiologist stated that they felt it was of no harm at all to the child.

A few years ago it would have been unthinkable for a Sandusky and this video to even be shopped around.

I have shown that the top gay organizers have utilized Hitlers Mein Kampf to desensitize much of the U.S. Hitler believed that constantly keeping a concept in front of his populaces. Was the best way to get individuals to buy into it. Don't hide it, bombard them with it.

And this is true of the gay agenda, bombard them with, gay, gay, gay, gay.

Hitler as the gay agenda understood this great principle. The more an individual is exposed or around a concept. The more likely they are to become comfortable with the concept.

Not many years ago even a hint of gay marriage would have been unthinkable. But the gay agenda has so bombarded the populace with this corrupt concept. That many have become familiar and comfortable with it. They in fact have become desensitized.

Much the same way they have become desensitized with Sandusky and the video of that child.

Polygamy has also become more acceptable. But you have to remember that when Polygamy is given a national audience via TV. This provides a means to desensitize individuals. It provides a vehicle for individuals to become familiar and comfortable with this most corrupt behavour.

And as more gay based shows are allowed access into homes. Incredible desensitizing is allowed to take place.

This is also the reason that the gays want access into the grade schools. What better place to desensitize children concerning the corrupt behavior of gays.

And as gays begin to lay out the schools gay curriculum. Nothing will be off limits. And you parents will conform or else.

Yes these things are just the tip of the iceberg. And if this desensitizing is allowed to go unchecked. You will not recognize this nation in a few years.

And actually it can hardly be recognized as a civil society as is.

Remember that if the behavour that constitutes a deviant sexual behavour can be tweaked. Then the perception of what we consider deviant sexual behavour can be tweaked.

And this all begins when individuals are so desensitized as to what constitutes a deviant sexual behavour. That they no longer have the ability to perceive the difference.

You now have a greater understanding as to why the gay agenda uses word manipulation, slight of hand innuendo such as civil union, long term and loving, Constitutional right, equality, tolerance , essential good for society and those in orphanages etc. Bombard, bombard, bombard. Become comfortable, become familiar as your slowly but surly desensitized as to what is really happening.

Consider these things as your alone with your thoughts.

By embracing the marginal, the unhealthy and the deviant, no nation can remain free!
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1180 Jan 27, 2013
Have you noticed that the media never uses the word homosexual and sodomy together?

This is part of the cover that the media uses to desensitize to viewers. And hide the true and corrupt nature of the homosexual lifestyle.

And like I have shown the success gay agenda employs many slight of hand and word manipulation tactic's. And all used to continue to desensitize individuals.

Many fail to realize that homosexuality is a culture of perversion in and of itself. And this cannot be overstated.

This perverse culture also has its own set of ques and nuances that dictate the lifestyle.

Here is an example to help understand this truth: As the mafia has its own set of ques and nuances that dictate the lifestyle.

So does the homosexual. Again this can never be overstated.

Let me ask you a question. What do you really know about the homosexual?

There is no doubt that what you know has all been choreographed via the homosexual with the help of the media.

Really think about that question. Why do you believe what you believe about them?

Kirk and Madsen say that “almost any behavior begins to look normal if you are exposed to enough of it at close quarters and among your acquaintances.”

“And when we say talk about homosexuality, we mean just that. In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed.”

Barebacking. A June 2006 article in the homosexual newspaper, The Washington Blade, examined the popularity of “barebacking”(anal sex without a condom) among some MSM.[xiii] Barebacking is popular at gay circuit parties, which are weekend-long dance events for gay and bisexual men, where drugs and sex are prevalent. One study of MSM attending gay circuit-parties published in 2005 found that 29 percent reported multiple sexual partners over the weekend, with 47 percent of these reporting anal sex without a condom.[xiv] A six-city study of homosexual men published in the American Journal of Public Health in 2003 found that 48.0 percent reported unprotected receptive anal sex, and 54.9 percent reported unprotected insertive anal sex.[xv]

Bug chasing. Another disturbing phenomenon among some MSM involves HIV-negative MSM who actively seek HIV infection by engaging in high-risk sexual activities with infected male partners. A 2003 Rolling Stone article brought national attention to “bug-chasing,” which the article described as “an intricate underground world that has sprouted, driven almost completely by the Internet, in which men who want to be infected with HIV get together with those willing to infect them.”[xvi] Carlos, a “bug chaser” who claimed to have had several hundred sexual partners and said he regularly had sex with three or four HIV-positive men a week, told Rolling Stone,“I know what the risks are…But I think it turns the other guy on to know that I’m negative and that they’re bringing me into the brotherhood. That gets me off, too.”[xvii]

Party Drugs. The use of various party drugs, such as methamphetamine (or “crystal meth”), is also on the rise among some MSM. Crystal meth is a highly addictive drug that affects the central nervous system and can be smoked, snorted, orally ingested, injected or used rectally.[xviii] Meth use among MSM is such a growing problem that in 2006, the GLMA conducted its own study of the issue, concluding that “approximately 10 to 20 percent of gay men” reported meth use in the past six months, which is at least 10 times higher than the rate among the general population. The GLMA study found that 36 percent of MSM attending circuit parties reported using meth, as well as 28 percent of MSM ages 15-22 in major urban areas.[xix] According to the CDC, drugs like meth “may be used to decrease social inhibitions and enhance sexual experiences” and “are strongly associated with risky sexual practices among MSM.”
debbie

Sheridan, AR

#1182 Jan 27, 2013
it just it not right. anyone reads the bible know what it said.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1183 Jan 27, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you noticed that the media never uses the word homosexual and sodomy together?

This is part of the cover that the media uses to desensitize to viewers. And hide the true and corrupt nature of the homosexual lifestyle.

And like I have shown the success gay agenda employs many slight of hand and word manipulation tactic's. And all used to continue to desensitize individuals.

Many fail to realize that homosexuality is a culture of perversion in and of itself. And this cannot be overstated.

This perverse culture also has its own set of ques and nuances that dictate the lifestyle.

Here is an example to help understand this truth: As the mafia has its own set of ques and nuances that dictate the lifestyle.

So does the homosexual.

Let me ask you a question. What do you really know about the homosexual?

There is no doubt that what you know has all been choreographed via the homosexual with the help of the media.

Really think about that question. Why do you believe what you believe about them?

Kirk and Madsen say that “almost any behavior begins to look normal if you are exposed to enough of it at close quarters and among your acquaintances.”

“And when we say talk about homosexuality, we mean just that. In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed.”

Barebacking. A June 2006 article in the homosexual newspaper, The Washington Blade, examined the popularity of “barebacking”(anal sex without a condom) among some MSM.[xiii] Barebacking is popular at gay circuit parties, which are weekend-long dance events for gay and bisexual men, where drugs and sex are prevalent. One study of MSM attending gay circuit-parties published in 2005 found that 29 percent reported multiple sexual partners over the weekend, with 47 percent of these reporting anal sex without a condom.[xiv] A six-city study of homosexual men published in the American Journal of Public Health in 2003 found that 48.0 percent reported unprotected receptive anal sex, and 54.9 percent reported unprotected insertive anal sex.[xv]

Bug chasing. Another disturbing phenomenon among some MSM involves HIV-negative MSM who actively seek HIV infection by engaging in high-risk sexual activities with infected male partners. A 2003 Rolling Stone article brought national attention to “bug-chasing,” which the article described as “an intricate underground world that has sprouted, driven almost completely by the Internet, in which men who want to be infected with HIV get together with those willing to infect them.”[xvi] Carlos, a “bug chaser” who claimed to have had several hundred sexual partners and said he regularly had sex with three or four HIV-positive men a week, told Rolling Stone,“I know what the risks are…But I think it turns the other guy on to know that I’m negative and that they’re bringing me into the brotherhood. That gets me off, too.”[xvii]

Party Drugs. The use of various party drugs, such as methamphetamine (or “crystal meth”), is also on the rise among some MSM. Crystal meth is a highly addictive drug that affects the central nervous system and can be smoked, snorted, orally ingested, injected or used rectally.[xviii] Meth use among MSM is such a growing problem that in 2006, the GLMA conducted its own study of the issue, concluding that “approximately 10 to 20 percent of gay men” reported meth use in the past six months, which is at least 10 times higher than the rate among the general population. The GLMA study found that 36 percent of MSM attending circuit parties reported using meth, as well as 28 percent of MSM ages 15-22 in major urban areas.[xix] According to the CDC, drugs like meth “may be used to decrease social inhibitions and enhance sexual experiences” and “are strongly associated with risky sexual practices among MSM.”

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#1184 Jan 27, 2013
When you lose an argument, take the opposing extreme, tug on heartstrings, misconstrue religion, and just fill the rest with idiosyncratic filler.

Again, BOTH pro-gay and anti-gay sides are trying redefine marriage. Leave government out of it. Again, the Book of Leviticus is a code for the clergy. Again, there are many types of families and only a loveless person could say one is better than the other.

I've said my peace, but some people just can't handle the truth, apparently. lol!

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#1185 Jan 27, 2013
Pollster wrote:
There is no doubt that there are numerous reasons that Obama should never support homosexuality.
Clearly homosexuality is a unnatural lifestyle.
Homosexuality also provides absolutely no benefits to any society as a whole.
Now, Think about that statement for a minute!
Yes, think about that statement for a minute. I think you might see a few problems right off the bat.

1) Homosexuality is not a lifestyle, it is a sexual orientation. Being a professional cowboy is a type of lifestyle. Being an active youth minister is a kind of lifestyle. Being gay is not a kind of lifestyle.

2) If you meant to say that homosexuality is unnatural then that is a very bold claim. When something is unnatural that usually means it is artificial, or "man made". Homosexuality has been a part of the human sexual condition for as long as recorded history. Do you think it was manufactured by someone in the ancient days and people continue to pretend to be gay to this day? The fact is that in any given human population there will be some percentage of individuals who identify more with same-sex attraction than heterosexual attraction. So if your argument is that this is "unnatural" I'm afraid you're going to have a very difficult time supporting your claim.

3) You claim that homosexuality provides no benefits to society as a whole. The problem here is that what you ARE is not something that has a responsibility. WHO you are does. We contribute to society by our actions, not by our condition of being.

If you are trying to make a statement about the fact that two men or two women cannot make a baby then it is irrelevant. We are not required to make babies to contribute to society. There are plenty of babies made every day. It is not necessary for every couple to do it.

And even if that was some kind of requirement then it still would fail as an argument. Gay men have sperm. Gay women have a uterus. They can get together and make a baby, then raise the babies with their preferred life partners. It is not rocket science.

I didn't read the rest of your posts. You need to deal with these logical fallacies that you made right off the bat before you go any further with your arguments.

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#1187 Jan 27, 2013
The degree of absolute crazy on some of these posts is just about too much to handle. I suspect that some of these posters are pulling a Godwin's Law. But then again, some of them are probably dead serious.

I mean, f*ck's sake people. This is just an insane level of homophobia. The Bible, which is the root of all these anti-gay claims in the end, doesn't even talk about this subject much at all. I don't understand the Fundamentalist obsession with gay sex.

Then again, with the number of high profile Conservatives who end up getting caught in various...shall we say "escapades"...shines a light on some of it. Hypocrisy much?

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#1188 Jan 27, 2013
I'm sorry, I actually meant Poe's Law, although Godwin's Law has also been invoked on this thread.

Poe's Law: Poe's law, named after its author Nathan Poe, is an Internet adage reflecting the idea that without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

Godwin's Law: Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies[1][2]) is an argument made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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#1189 Jan 27, 2013
I realize that you can't argue with crazy. I do it anyway, but I'm a glutton for punishment I guess.

One of the reasons I can't let this particular debate go, other than the fact that it is the right thing to do, is that I have very good friends who are gay. And it pisses me off to no end when these ignorant a**clowns get on here and post the most ridiculous, hateful, stupid things they can dig out of their Fundie websites.

Because someone at some point will read it and take it as truth. That, in my opinion, is a mind crime. And none of these jerks will ever feel guilty about it.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1190 Jan 27, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, think about that statement for a minute. I think you might see a few problems right off the bat.
1) Homosexuality is not a lifestyle, it is a sexual orientation. Being a professional cowboy is a type of lifestyle. Being an active youth minister is a kind of lifestyle. Being gay is not a kind of lifestyle.
2) If you meant to say that homosexuality is unnatural then that is a very bold claim. When something is unnatural that usually means it is artificial, or "man made". Homosexuality has been a part of the human sexual condition for as long as recorded history. Do you think it was manufactured by someone in the ancient days and people continue to pretend to be gay to this day? The fact is that in any given human population there will be some percentage of individuals who identify more with same-sex attraction than heterosexual attraction. So if your argument is that this is "unnatural" I'm afraid you're going to have a very difficult time supporting your claim.
3) You claim that homosexuality provides no benefits to society as a whole. The problem here is that what you ARE is not something that has a responsibility. WHO you are does. We contribute to society by our actions, not by our condition of being.
If you are trying to make a statement about the fact that two men or two women cannot make a baby then it is irrelevant. We are not required to make babies to contribute to society. There are plenty of babies made every day. It is not necessary for every couple to do it.
And even if that was some kind of requirement then it still would fail as an argument. Gay men have sperm. Gay women have a uterus. They can get together and make a baby, then raise the babies with their preferred life partners. It is not rocket science.
I didn't read the rest of your posts. You need to deal with these logical fallacies that you made right off the bat before you go any further with your arguments.
{And even if that was some kind of requirement then it still would fail as an argument. Gay men have sperm. Gay women have a uterus. They can get together and make a baby, then raise the babies with their preferred life partners. It is not rocket science.}

You continue to make my point that the whole homosexual/lesbian idea of marriage and family is a facade. You have to twist, and contort the natural husband-wife of things to produce a child. How does it feel to have to live a lie, and continually lie to yourself concerning what is Godly and natural, and what is ungodly and unnatural? Pathetic!
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1191 Jan 27, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
When you lose an argument, take the opposing extreme, tug on heartstrings, misconstrue religion, and just fill the rest with idiosyncratic filler.
Again, BOTH pro-gay and anti-gay sides are trying redefine marriage. Leave government out of it. Again, the Book of Leviticus is a code for the clergy. Again, there are many types of families and only a loveless person could say one is better than the other.
I've said my peace, but some people just can't handle the truth, apparently. lol!
Simply the truth!

This child was given birth based entirely upon a host of homosexual lies, moral corruption, financial corruption, and a host of other corruptions all promulgated via lying homosexuals and the perversion they promote! This is one of the reasons the homosexuals try to get TVOSR to talk about other things! They don't like being exposed for what they really are! They support these monsters and what they did to this child!

In Luke 17:1-2 Jesus declares that “offenses will come,” but then adds,“but woe be to the one who cause offenses”.

In Matthew 18:1-10 we learn that Jesus particularly warns individuals of the dire consequences that will befall those who offend little children or young Christians!

As we consider this great atrocity that has been perpetrated against this child, we must naturally place the child's lifelong welfare and emotions first! Although when a person considers what really went on behind the scenes, one realizes that this child's future was never considered in terms of negative personal and emotional pain! As a individual looks at who the players were that, participated in this most Frankenstein of concepts, they become very aware of the fact that there were mainly four monsters involved in this lab experiment, that created this experimental child!

[1] The Elton John monster!

[2] The David Furnish monster!

[3] The Biological monster that provided the egg!

[4] The Surrogate monster that accepted the biological monsters egg!

Clearly this whole experiment that was hatched in Frankenstein's lab, was given birth based upon several personal interests at several different levels! It would be hard to identify who the chief monster was, given so many were involved! This child was clearly brought into this world based upon mans selfishness and greed! No thought, no love, no concern, no consideration for the well-being of this child was ever considered! Everyone involved got something, at the expense of the child, and with the exception of the child! Clearly the Biological and Surrogate monsters were well paid for their participation in this corrupt experiment! The other two monsters involvement was clearly driven via selfishness and corruption, driven by a desire to posses something that, because of the corrupt lifestyle both monsters have chosen to in-gauge in! God, by his wisdom and consideration for the well-being of all children has denied them! And now there is a child that one day will grow to become a very troubled and tortured soul, as the child comes too the true realization of how and why it was created, and the monsters involved in its creation! Many of whom will remain anonymous through out the child's lifetime! Jesus Christ said that there would be offenses and atrocities brought about by man and perpetrated upon children! He also said, God help the individuals that commits these offenses and atrocities against children! You may laugh and scoff and twist as you sit upon the sidelines of life! But some day there will be Godly justice for this child and the helpless! The eternal wheels of Gods justice may grind slowly, but they grind finely! There is also a fifth monster involved in this Frankenstein experiment! And its name is, Homosexual Ideology!
Yeah

Butler, KY

#1192 Jan 27, 2013
I've noticed that often gay couples assume opposite gender roles.
Also, being in architectural design and art I receive various publications. I remember one that featured a residence of Elton John it which skulls and skeletons were used as decor. One photo showed an infants skeleton as decoration. It made my blood run cold as I find it impossible to grasp the mentality that these people possess.

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#1193 Jan 27, 2013
Pollster while your tirades are mildly entertaining, you are using an argument against SSM that the federal government can't. You can object morally to it all day, but that is your moral objections. Now over half the nation believe that SSM should be legal. I will suggest the same thing I have stated to other trolls on this thread....Provide a valid legal reason the state has to prevent SSM. I don't want to know how you feel about it via religion, nor do I want to know your moral objections since they are both subjective. I want a valid legal reason the state would have to prevent SSM.
KELLERMAN

Huntsville, OH

#1194 Jan 27, 2013
Pollster wrote:
<quoted text>
Simply the truth!
This child was given birth based entirely upon a host of homosexual lies, moral corruption, financial corruption, and a host of other corruptions all promulgated via lying homosexuals and the perversion they promote! This is one of the reasons the homosexuals try to get TVOSR to talk about other things! They don't like being exposed for what they really are! They support these monsters and what they did to this child!
In Luke 17:1-2 Jesus declares that “offenses will come,” but then adds,“but woe be to the one who cause offenses”.
In Matthew 18:1-10 we learn that Jesus particularly warns individuals of the dire consequences that will befall those who offend little children or young Christians!
As we consider this great atrocity that has been perpetrated against this child, we must naturally place the child's lifelong welfare and emotions first! Although when a person considers what really went on behind the scenes, one realizes that this child's future was never considered in terms of negative personal and emotional pain! As a individual looks at who the players were that, participated in this most Frankenstein of concepts, they become very aware of the fact that there were mainly four monsters involved in this lab experiment, that created this experimental child!
[1] The Elton John monster!
[2] The David Furnish monster!
[3] The Biological monster that provided the egg!
[4] The Surrogate monster that accepted the biological monsters egg!
Clearly this whole experiment that was hatched in Frankenstein's lab, was given birth based upon several personal interests at several different levels! It would be hard to identify who the chief monster was, given so many were involved! This child was clearly brought into this world based upon mans selfishness and greed! No thought, no love, no concern, no consideration for the well-being of this child was ever considered! Everyone involved got something, at the expense of the child, and with the exception of the child! Clearly the Biological and Surrogate monsters were well paid for their participation in this corrupt experiment! The other two monsters involvement was clearly driven via selfishness and corruption, driven by a desire to posses something that, because of the corrupt lifestyle both monsters have chosen to in-gauge in! God, by his wisdom and consideration for the well-being of all children has denied them! And now there is a child that one day will grow to become a very troubled and tortured soul, as the child comes too the true realization of how and why it was created, and the monsters involved in its creation! Many of whom will remain anonymous through out the child's lifetime! Jesus Christ said that there would be offenses and atrocities brought about by man and perpetrated upon children! He also said, God help the individuals that commits these offenses and atrocities against children! You may laugh and scoff and twist as you sit upon the sidelines of life! But some day there will be Godly justice for this child and the helpless! The eternal wheels of Gods justice may grind slowly, but they grind finely! There is also a fifth monster involved in this Frankenstein experiment! And its name is, Homosexual Ideology!
I'm somewhat amused by your interests in Gay life styles etc. You must spend a lot of your time researching negative information to quote your stance against gays. I don't know you personally and I must say I probably wouldn't want to based on your posts. Regardless of how you feel, the Gays will get rights that you enjoy as a citizen of the world.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1195 Jan 27, 2013
Allanon80 wrote:
Pollster while your tirades are mildly entertaining, you are using an argument against SSM that the federal government can't. You can object morally to it all day, but that is your moral objections. Now over half the nation believe that SSM should be legal. I will suggest the same thing I have stated to other trolls on this thread....Provide a valid legal reason the state has to prevent SSM. I don't want to know how you feel about it via religion, nor do I want to know your moral objections since they are both subjective. I want a valid legal reason the state would have to prevent SSM.
{I want a valid legal reason the state would have to prevent SSM.}

Give me a valid legal reason for states supporting SSM.

Everything the homosexual touches cost state and fed tax dollars.

Just the proliferation of HIV-aids alone cost state and fed tax payers untold millions.

You also must remember that there is never a civil law to engage in uncivil behavour.

Remember that Lincoln said that there are things that are legally right, but morally wrong.

You are trying to shift the qualifier from a moral point of view to a legal point of view.

You are talking about changing societal norms that have served mankind and our nation well since antiquity.

Your on a very slippery slope!
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1196 Jan 27, 2013
KELLERMAN wrote:
<quoted text> I'm somewhat amused by your interests in Gay life styles etc. You must spend a lot of your time researching negative information to quote your stance against gays. I don't know you personally and I must say I probably wouldn't want to based on your posts. Regardless of how you feel, the Gays will get rights that you enjoy as a citizen of the world.
{Regardless of how you feel, the Gays will get rights that you enjoy as a citizen of the world.}

Actually they already have special rights that others do not. They go to the head of the line concerning housing, jobs, education etc.

I have often wondered how the homosexual will deal with life if they are no longer a minority? Something to think about!

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#1197 Jan 27, 2013
Pollster wrote:
<quoted text>
{I want a valid legal reason the state would have to prevent SSM.}
Give me a valid legal reason for states supporting SSM.
Everything the homosexual touches cost state and fed tax dollars.
Just the proliferation of HIV-aids alone cost state and fed tax payers untold millions.
You also must remember that there is never a civil law to engage in uncivil behavour.
Remember that Lincoln said that there are things that are legally right, but morally wrong.
You are trying to shift the qualifier from a moral point of view to a legal point of view.
You are talking about changing societal norms that have served mankind and our nation well since antiquity.
Your on a very slippery slope!
So then your answer is that you can't provide one and would rather speculate instead of answering the question.

Concerning why the state should allow them....Simple in order for them not to they have to have a valid state vested interest to prevent them. In all the court cases so far the state has not provided one. This is why California kinda gave up defending Prop 8. It is also why the DoJ has given up supporting DOMA. Yes the popular shift has changed in SSM favor, it also means the state can't find a valid legal reason to prevent it from happening. Same thing with your arguments.

No one is asking you to get a SSM. No one is asking you to not have your moral objections to them, just remember they are your moral objections and that is not a valid argument.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1198 Jan 27, 2013
KELLERMAN wrote:
<quoted text> I'm somewhat amused by your interests in Gay life styles etc. You must spend a lot of your time researching negative information to quote your stance against gays. I don't know you personally and I must say I probably wouldn't want to based on your posts. Regardless of how you feel, the Gays will get rights that you enjoy as a citizen of the world.
You must also remember that the homosexual will always try to equate skin color with sexual orientation. In an empty attempt to try and squeeze homosexuality into the normal realm.

But we all know that skin color and sexual orientation are two entirely different things.

And this is why the civil rights argument that homosexuals try to make dies before it ever gets started.

And no doubt Obama will also try to make this erroneous argument.

The debate over whether the state ought to recognize gay marriages has thus far focused on the issue as one of civil rights. Such a treatment is erroneous because state recognition of marriage is not a universal right. States regulate marriage in many ways besides denying men the right to marry men, and women the right to marry women. Roughly half of all states prohibit first cousins from marrying, and all prohibit marriage of closer blood relatives, even if the individuals being married are sterile. In all states, it is illegal to attempt to marry more than one person, or even to pass off more than one person as one’s spouse. Some states restrict the marriage of people suffering from syphilis or other venereal diseases. Homosexuals, therefore, are not the only people to be denied the right to marry the person of their choosing.

Homosexual relationships do nothing to serve the state interest of propagating society, so there is no reason for the state to grant them the costly benefits of marriage, unless they serve some other state interest. The burden of proof, therefore, is on the advocates of gay marriage to show what state interest these marriages serve. Thus far, this burden has not been met.

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#1199 Jan 27, 2013
Pollster wrote:
<quoted text>
You are trying to shift the qualifier from a moral point of view to a legal point of view.
That is because what we are talking about here is a legal contract which the state is in control of....That is the reason for the legal argument. That is also why the state must have a valid legal argument for preventing it.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1200 Jan 27, 2013
Allanon80 wrote:
<quoted text>
That is because what we are talking about here is a legal contract which the state is in control of....That is the reason for the legal argument. That is also why the state must have a valid legal argument for preventing it.
Correct, but many legal laws have unwritten moral laws as their foundation.

This is why the ten commandants are so prevalent thru out our legal courts/buildings, including the SCOTUS!

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