Obama-Marriage Debate - Somerset, KY

Discuss the national Obama-Marriage debate in Somerset, KY.

Are you with President Obama in supporting gay marriage?

Somerset is not with Obama on gay marriage
Not at all
 
92
Yes, all the way
 
65
I'm on the fence
 
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“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#1158 Jan 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sorry to hear of your parents divorce. I still don't think that's a good reason to redefine marriage for everybody.
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<quoted text>Any friends who were raised by single parents and are now single parents? Any having children younger than before? Is this trend,'alright'?
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<quoted text>Having a mother and father does affect the upbringing of a child. Having a married mother and father reduces the chances the child receives welfare benefits.
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<quoted text>What if it could be the end to 0.00003% of the human race? Don't consequences matter?
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<quoted text>The fact that every homosexual was born of heterosexual union proves marriage should stay male/female, gender diverse. In fairness to men and women, marriage is 1:1
Gender integration marriage is affirmative action but same sex marriage is gender segregation. See the difference?
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<quoted text>Ad hom argument just proves logic doesn't work with you. Thanks for the insight.
It's about how you feel about yourself and your opponents. You're OK, just some of those leftist ideas are broken. Gender equality doesn't work; diversity does. We live with differences; and don't insult people who don't agree with the way we live. That's life.
Kentucky stopped same sex marriage with a Constitutional amendment; they are a model for the Federal government.
By accepting the State's definition of marriage, no matter what it is, you ARE redefining marriage. Before the 1910s, marriages were not up for permission of government. By using force to enforce YOUR definition, you're redefining marriage on a whole other level.

Single parents don't beget single parents if that's what you're trying to imply. lol!

And no, I'm glad my parents got a divorce. It would be toxic to live with them if they were going to fight all the time. The idea that children have to have a two-parent household is an insult to family values.

Consequences do matter, but not by force. The human race will NOT go extinct via homosexuality. If you think so, then you need to do your homework.

Your last point makes no sense. People are born with a sexual orientation, it's not nurture. You can nurture your gays kids to stifle their feelings and pretend to be something they're not. Hatred is not a good value to teach kids.
KELLERMAN

Huntsville, OH

#1159 Jan 25, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
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By accepting the State's definition of marriage, no matter what it is, you ARE redefining marriage. Before the 1910s, marriages were not up for permission of government. By using force to enforce YOUR definition, you're redefining marriage on a whole other level.
Single parents don't beget single parents if that's what you're trying to imply. lol!
And no, I'm glad my parents got a divorce. It would be toxic to live with them if they were going to fight all the time. The idea that children have to have a two-parent household is an insult to family values.
Consequences do matter, but not by force. The human race will NOT go extinct via homosexuality. If you think so, then you need to do your homework.
Your last point makes no sense. People are born with a sexual orientation, it's not nurture. You can nurture your gays kids to stifle their feelings and pretend to be something they're not. Hatred is not a good value to teach kids.
Your parents should be very proud of you and imagine such a bright young person coming from divorced parents. I commend you for your posts, they are most informative and educated. I see that the education system worked for you. When old folks such as myself are no longer here, its good to know that the new generation will be fine regardless of how many doubts we had when they were growing up.

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#1160 Jan 25, 2013
KELLERMAN wrote:
<quoted text>Your parents should be very proud of you and imagine such a bright young person coming from divorced parents. I commend you for your posts, they are most informative and educated. I see that the education system worked for you. When old folks such as myself are no longer here, its good to know that the new generation will be fine regardless of how many doubts we had when they were growing up.
Thank you. We need people of all ages to get informed and involved. And my parents were amazing parents separated.

And the education system didn't work for me. What I know of history, economics, law, and government, I learned in private studies. In public school, we're taught propaganda and outright lies. Sad, but true.
ROBERTA ADAMS

London, KY

#1161 Jan 25, 2013
It is a sin against God. It is clearly stated in the holy bible. It is also a sick and unhealthy lifestyle.

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#1162 Jan 25, 2013
ROBERTA ADAMS wrote:
It is a sin against God. It is clearly stated in the holy bible. It is also a sick and unhealthy lifestyle.
Wrong. God condemns homosexuality for the clergy - Leviticus is compromised of the conduct for clergy. In other questionable verses, as well as the famous one in Leviticus, God NEVER supports nor demands the use of force to stop gays from living their life. Also, marriage license laws are sleights against God since he never required the State's permission to marry, and government is the use of force.

It's not an unhealthy lifestyle at all. It's no more or less healthy than a straight couple. And it's only sick to you - purely arbitrary. Please study facts before ramming foot square in mouth.

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#1163 Jan 25, 2013
Unless you're prepared to force raped women to marry their rapists, kill people for planting differing crops side by side or weaving garments of differing threads, stoning kids for disrespecting parents, cutting hands off for theft, gauging out eyeballs for seeing obscene things, etc., then stop your personal, bigoted crusade against gays.

Much of the Bible is history and culture, not God's demands. The Bible is NOT your personal sword against your political agendas and willful ignorance. Either learn its history, or stop claiming to follow the Bible

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#1164 Jan 25, 2013
Yeah wrote:
Children are affected differently on the neurochemical level by the mother and father.
The mother/child bond is different from the father/child bond and this is evident on the neurochemical level. It's not even new science.
Only a pervert promting perversion would be put off by these facts.
A mother and a father are the best parental combination for raising children.
It's a scientific and historical fact.
I am never put off by science. And my point is that you are trotting out any and all claims, no matter how irrelevant, to support your failed point of view.

What difference does it make which environment is best for children to be raised in? We do not limit parental rights based on the best environment. We make limitations when the environment is literally BAD, as in abusive. Or when there is explicit neglect. But we do not evaluate each parent to see if they are optimum for child rearing.

It would be impossible and Constitutionally unsound to even try.

So how is that an argument against gay marriage, exactly?

Tall guys are best at basketball. Do we ban short guys from playing?

And I do not even accept your basic premise that the mother/father arrangement is "best" for kids. I would accept that we have overwhelming data about it, but we have limited data about alternate arrangements. Therefore we can't really make that claim with any certainty. What we DO know is that stability is good for kids.

Gay couples can be just as stable as anyone else. Hell's bells, the divorce rate among straights is through the roof. So don't pretend otherwise.

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#1165 Jan 25, 2013
ROBERTA ADAMS wrote:
It is a sin against God. It is clearly stated in the holy bible. It is also a sick and unhealthy lifestyle.
Well thank you for the explicit bigotry. I appreciate it when hateful people are honest.

My rebuttal would be:

1) Who cares what you think God thinks, this is a secular nation and a secular argument.

2) There is a difference between a lifestyle and a sexual identity. Many lifestyles are unhealthy. Sexual identities are not inherently unhealthy. Define your terms and state you case more clearly.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

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Since: Dec 08

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#1166 Jan 25, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
By accepting the State's definition of marriage, no matter what it is, you ARE redefining marriage. Before the 1910s, marriages were not up for permission of government. By using force to enforce YOUR definition, you're redefining marriage on a whole other level.
Where did you get the year 1910? I've quoted federal law from 1862, where polygamy is made a federal crime; that's the beginning and a darn good one.

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KennyKelly3 wrote:
Single parents don't beget single parents if that's what you're trying to imply. lol!
I've noticed more single parents coming from single parent homes, and starting younger too. That's a bad consequence of the war on marriage; same sex marriage would only increase the harm.

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KennyKelly3 wrote:
And no, I'm glad my parents got a divorce. It would be toxic to live with them if they were going to fight all the time.
I'm glad too; marriage isn't for everyone.

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KennyKelly3 wrote:
The idea that children have to have a two-parent household is an insult to family values.
It's having both a mother and father; that prevents insult and injury to children.

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KennyKelly3 wrote:
Consequences do matter, but not by force. The human race will NOT go extinct via homosexuality. If you think so, then you need to do your homework.
Maybe not extinction, but any reduction in population growth would cause harm.

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KennyKelly3 wrote:
Your last point makes no sense. People are born with a sexual orientation, it's not nurture. You can nurture your gays kids to stifle their feelings and pretend to be something they're not. Hatred is not a good value to teach kids.
Marriage is defined by law, precedent and culture; not nature or nurture.

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#1167 Jan 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Where did you get the year 1910? I've quoted federal law from 1862, where polygamy is made a federal crime; that's the beginning and a darn good one.
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<quoted text>I've noticed more single parents coming from single parent homes, and starting younger too. That's a bad consequence of the war on marriage; same sex marriage would only increase the harm.
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<quoted text>I'm glad too; marriage isn't for everyone.
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<quoted text>It's having both a mother and father; that prevents insult and injury to children.
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<quoted text>Maybe not extinction, but any reduction in population growth would cause harm.
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<quoted text>Marriage is defined by law, precedent and culture; not nature or nurture.
I've already went through the history and facts with you. You want to remain belligerent, ignorant, and bigoted. I never said there were no federal laws of marriage before 1910s, just there were no marriage licenses - not to mention ANY federal law is, in fact, unconstitutional.

Single parents do not beget single parents, I'm sorry for your inability to manipulate science and nature. And if you truly think that gay parents causes injury, I feel sorry for you, I really do, because you're so far gone in insanity.

Since you want to be ignorant and not see facts, I will reply to you no further. lol! Thank you for the discussion.

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#1168 Jan 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I've noticed more single parents coming from single parent homes, and starting younger too. That's a bad consequence of the war on marriage; same sex marriage would only increase the harm.
The damage being done to marriage has nothing to do with same-sex marriage rights. We are doing a slam-bang job of screwing up marriages without gays involved. To argue that extending these rights to everyone would then make the problem worse is kind of lame. For one thing, you don't even have good data to back that up since gays have not been allowed to get married for very long in the few places where it is legal for them to do so.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>It's having both a mother and father; that prevents insult and injury to children.
Not exactly true, is it? As I said elsewhere, it is stability that is the key. Historically we have numerous examples of father/mother situations and we can see that a stable home is beneficial to children. However we do not have a lot of data on other arrangements within the home. Children raised with two dads or two moms who have a stable life might be just as well off as anyone else. You do not know otherwise. Examples of bad homes usually involve parents with tumultuous relationships and/or abusive parents. It is unfair to assume same sex parents would increase those problems.

And it is irrelevant since we do not limit parenting rights based on marital status.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe not extinction, but any reduction in population growth would cause harm.
Again, you are wrong. We have 7 billion people on the planet. A reduction in population growth would be a huge benefit at this point. Obviously we don't want to reduce it to zero but some reduction is a good thing.

Besides, it is also irrelevant to argue about reproduction in this context. Marriage is not limited to people who can reproduce or we'd be denying licenses to sterile couples or couples who refuse to have kids. The reproductive issue is just not an issue here.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Marriage is defined by law, precedent and culture; not nature or nurture.
This might be the first thing you typed that I agree with.

Marriage is in fact shaped by law, which can and does change over time. It is informed by precedent, which is not always right and is not a definitive standard. And most importantly it is shaped by culture, which also evolves over time.

Your idea of marriage is a modern invention. It is something you advocate based on your understanding. That's fine. But culture is changing and it is moving away from what you advocate. Over half the people in this country now support extending marriage rights to same-sex couples. Given the trend over the past few decades it seems that this will only become more-and-more true.

And since it is both rational and ethically sound it seems to me we are on the correct path.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1170 Jan 27, 2013
KennyKelly3 wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. God condemns homosexuality for the clergy - Leviticus is compromised of the conduct for clergy. In other questionable verses, as well as the famous one in Leviticus, God NEVER supports nor demands the use of force to stop gays from living their life. Also, marriage license laws are sleights against God since he never required the State's permission to marry, and government is the use of force.
It's not an unhealthy lifestyle at all. It's no more or less healthy than a straight couple. And it's only sick to you - purely arbitrary. Please study facts before ramming foot square in mouth.
Scripture is clear that God is repealed via homosexuality.

Now, Lets develop this a bit. And look at homosexuality in the context here. As I would like to point out some things for the other readers.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

The scripture is very clear as to who individuals should be having intercourse with.

Leviticus 18:23 Neither shall you lie with any beast to defile yourself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

As I have shown, when all sexual norms as skewed it builds confusion into the society and into the young of a society.

Homosexuality and all other corruptions, and there are many, build confusion. These are some of the nuances that continue to feed mental illness in many within society.

Homosexuality may seems harmless, it isn't!

God forbidding homosexuality goes way beyond sin. God understands how these things influence a society and the negative consequences they have on a society. As well as the violence and confusion associated with it.

Leviticus 18:24 Defile not you yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

Homosexuality and other corruptions defile the individual that participates in them. It is truly a degradation to mankind.

Leviticus 18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof on it, and the land itself vomits out her inhabitants.

Homosexuality and other corruptions defile the land, any land.

It is interesting that God list homosexuality and bestiality within the same breath.

As I have shown, were are way beyond sin here!

And again I have not written to be critical.

And again if you dont like it, blame God and stop whining to me about it! I didn't write the book! But I can read and think.

And if this is not what this is teaching, then someone better get on here and explain it.

And homosexual web sites twisting scripture is not acceptable.

And neither is explaining it away!

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#1171 Jan 27, 2013
Pollster wrote:
<quoted text>
Scripture is clear that God is repealed via homosexuality.
Now, Lets develop this a bit. And look at homosexuality in the context here. As I would like to point out some things for the other readers.
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
The scripture is very clear as to who individuals should be having intercourse with.
Leviticus 18:23 Neither shall you lie with any beast to defile yourself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
As I have shown, when all sexual norms as skewed it builds confusion into the society and into the young of a society.
Homosexuality and all other corruptions, and there are many, build confusion. These are some of the nuances that continue to feed mental illness in many within society.
Homosexuality may seems harmless, it isn't!
God forbidding homosexuality goes way beyond sin. God understands how these things influence a society and the negative consequences they have on a society. As well as the violence and confusion associated with it.
Leviticus 18:24 Defile not you yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
Homosexuality and other corruptions defile the individual that participates in them. It is truly a degradation to mankind.
Leviticus 18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof on it, and the land itself vomits out her inhabitants.
Homosexuality and other corruptions defile the land, any land.
It is interesting that God list homosexuality and bestiality within the same breath.
As I have shown, were are way beyond sin here!
And again I have not written to be critical.
And again if you dont like it, blame God and stop whining to me about it! I didn't write the book! But I can read and think.
And if this is not what this is teaching, then someone better get on here and explain it.
And homosexual web sites twisting scripture is not acceptable.
And neither is explaining it away!
The Book of Leviticus is Moses' account to the clergy, not to all of God's children. You should understand the history and context of the Bible, not just the words themselves. The clergy are not to lust after any body, except for procreation.

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#1172 Jan 27, 2013
Pollster wrote:
<quoted text>
Scripture is clear that God is repealed via homosexuality.
God has been repealed?? Awesome news! Thanks, gays. Now we can actually get on with real life.

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#1173 Jan 27, 2013
Pollster wrote:
<quoted text>
Scripture is clear that God is repealed via homosexuality.
Now, Lets develop this a bit. And look at homosexuality in the context here. As I would like to point out some things for the other readers.
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
The scripture is very clear as to who individuals should be having intercourse with.
Leviticus 18:23 Neither shall you lie with any beast to defile yourself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
As I have shown, when all sexual norms as skewed it builds confusion into the society and into the young of a society.
Homosexuality and all other corruptions, and there are many, build confusion. These are some of the nuances that continue to feed mental illness in many within society.
Homosexuality may seems harmless, it isn't!
God forbidding homosexuality goes way beyond sin. God understands how these things influence a society and the negative consequences they have on a society. As well as the violence and confusion associated with it.
Leviticus 18:24 Defile not you yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
Homosexuality and other corruptions defile the individual that participates in them. It is truly a degradation to mankind.
Leviticus 18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof on it, and the land itself vomits out her inhabitants.
Homosexuality and other corruptions defile the land, any land.
It is interesting that God list homosexuality and bestiality within the same breath.
As I have shown, were are way beyond sin here!
And again I have not written to be critical.
And again if you dont like it, blame God and stop whining to me about it! I didn't write the book! But I can read and think.
And if this is not what this is teaching, then someone better get on here and explain it.
And homosexual web sites twisting scripture is not acceptable.
And neither is explaining it away!
Why are you quoting the Hebrew Bible and why are you only quoting these verses? Surely I don't have to remind you that there are HUNDREDS of things in Leviticus that God does not want the Hebrews to do.

How is that even remotely relevant to this topic?
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1174 Jan 27, 2013
There is no doubt that there are numerous reasons that Obama should never support homosexuality.

Clearly homosexuality is a unnatural lifestyle.

Homosexuality also provides absolutely no benefits to any society as a whole.

Now, Think about that statement for a minute!

Homosexuality provides absolutely no benefits to any society as a whole.

Obama is attempting to shift the essential needs a normal family provides to a husband, wife, children and society. In an attempt to create a government definition of an inessential and nonessential marriage that will in the end provide absolutely no benefits to society.

Homosexual marriage is simply created by government to further debase heterosexual marriage. And what heterosexual marriage provides to children and a nation as it helps strengthen all social norms of decency and morality.

And listed below is an honest look at what Obama in fact supports.

And if one supports it, one owns it.

And that is also true of anyone that supports this most corrupt lifestyle.

I never share to be flamboyant, but to show the truth!

And ones disagreement with what I share will never change the truth of what I am showing you. As I do not make the information up!

Researchers Kirk and Madsen say that “almost any behavior begins to look normal if you are exposed to enough of it at close quarters and among your acquaintances.”

“And when we say talk about homosexuality, we mean just that. In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed.”

Barebacking. A June 2006 article in the homosexual newspaper, The Washington Blade, examined the popularity of “barebacking”(anal sex without a condom) among some MSM.[xiii] Barebacking is popular at gay circuit parties, which are weekend-long dance events for gay and bisexual men, where drugs and sex are prevalent. One study of MSM attending gay circuit-parties published in 2005 found that 29 percent reported multiple sexual partners over the weekend, with 47 percent of these reporting anal sex without a condom.[xiv] A six-city study of homosexual men published in the American Journal of Public Health in 2003 found that 48.0 percent reported unprotected receptive anal sex, and 54.9 percent reported unprotected insertive anal sex.[xv]

Bug chasing. Another disturbing phenomenon among some MSM involves HIV-negative MSM who actively seek HIV infection by engaging in high-risk sexual activities with infected male partners. A 2003 Rolling Stone article brought national attention to “bug-chasing,” which the article described as “an intricate underground world that has sprouted, driven almost completely by the Internet, in which men who want to be infected with HIV get together with those willing to infect them.”[xvi] Carlos, a “bug chaser” who claimed to have had several hundred sexual partners and said he regularly had sex with three or four HIV-positive men a week, told Rolling Stone,“I know what the risks are…But I think it turns the other guy on to know that I’m negative and that they’re bringing me into the brotherhood. That gets me off, too.”[xvii]

Party Drugs. The use of various party drugs, such as methamphetamine (or “crystal meth”), is also on the rise among some MSM. Crystal meth is a highly addictive drug that affects the central nervous system and can be smoked, snorted, orally ingested, injected or used rectally.[xviii] Meth use among MSM is such a growing problem that in 2006, the GLMA conducted its own study of the issue, concluding that “approximately 10 to 20 percent of gay men” reported meth use in the past six months, which is at least 10 times higher than the rate among the general population. The GLMA study found that 36 percent of MSM attending circuit parties reported using meth, as well as 28 percent of MSM ages 15-22 in major urban areas.[xix]
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1175 Jan 27, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are you quoting the Hebrew Bible and why are you only quoting these verses? Surely I don't have to remind you that there are HUNDREDS of things in Leviticus that God does not
An illusion is a distortion of the senses, revealing how the brain normally organizes and interprets information. While illusions distort reality, they are generally shared by most people willing to accept them.

And this is especially true of homosexual lies that continue to be fed to the U.S. populace.

And one of the most dominate lies spread via the homosexual. Is the lie that homosexuals are born homosexual. When in fact homosexuals are actually born liars, not born homosexual. AS we shall continue to see as this thread progresses.

And there is no doubt that we all live in a world that things are seldom called what they in fact are. And homosexuals are no exception to this rule.

And as I have shown, homosexuals are very adapt at changing and creating nomenclature that continues to show them in a more positive light. But as I have also shown, this is all part of the illusion being sold to America.

Naturally the homosexual has created so many different illusions that, it would be impossible for me to cover them all in one thread.

And you must remember that the homosexual has had years to hone their craft of lies and illusions. As well as years to soften the U.S culture to accept many of their lies and illusions.

The homosexual has transformed themselves from chains and black leather, to Armani suits and Louis Vuitton shoes.

But when all is said and done, the homosexual remains a born liar. And no suit and shoes can ever change that.

As the homosexual spin doctors continue to twist HIV-aids to make it appear that homosexuals play no to little part in the proliferation of the disease. The CDC stats concerning this and the cost to tax payers proves quite a different story.

I think few stop and consider the great amount of cover that the U.S. populace provides to the homosexual as they indiscriminately spread their poison within a culture. And it continues to be this blended poison that continues to be paid for via the unsuspecting U.S. tax payer that is slowly and indiscriminately weakening the social and culture norms that have served this once great nation.

Much of society fails to recognize this cancer for what it truly is. Homosexuality is much like the cancer that is resident within the human body. Its devastating consequences are found out and discovered after the eternal damage is done. The devastation of homosexuality within a culture continues to chip away at the health of a nation. Much like cancer chips away at the human body. And although cancer victims are always innocent and unaware, homosexuals are not.

While homosexuals have actively suppressed statistics in the past and focused on portraying HIV/AIDS as a disease affecting the whole population in an equal fashion, the statistics' increasing and understandably has forced their hand. Rather than admit any inherent problem with homosexual practice itself, however, the apparent prevalence of disease among practicing homosexuals has led them to switch tactics and use these statistics to urge governments and other organizations to increase support to the homosexual communities. More waste of U.S. tax dollars.

"By recently admitting that 'HIV is a gay disease,' Matt Foreman, outgoing Executive Director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, acknowledged what the medical community has known for decades: the homosexual lifestyle is extremely high-risk and often leads to disease and even death."

Homosexuals have learned through experience to always change their tactics and adapt. Much like the cancer that hides within the human body undetected.

Yes the homosexual has become the great illusionist of the day. And constantly adapts his method's of pulling the new polished homosexual out of the hat. And bewitching all that watch.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1176 Jan 27, 2013
An illusion is a distortion of the senses, revealing how the brain normally organizes and interprets information. While illusions distort reality, they are generally shared by most people willing to accept them.

And this is especially true of homosexual lies that continue to be fed to the U.S. populace.

And one of the most dominate lies spread via the homosexual. Is the lie that homosexuals are born homosexual. When in fact homosexuals are actually born liars, not born homosexual. AS we shall continue to see as this thread progresses.

And there is no doubt that we all live in a world that things are seldom called what they in fact are. And homosexuals are no exception to this rule.

And as I have shown, homosexuals are very adapt at changing and creating nomenclature that continues to show them in a more positive light. But as I have also shown, this is all part of the illusion being sold to America.

Naturally the homosexual has created so many different illusions that, it would be impossible for me to cover them all in one thread.

And you must remember that the homosexual has had years to hone their craft of lies and illusions. As well as years to soften the U.S culture to accept many of their lies and illusions.

The homosexual has transformed themselves from chains and black leather, to Armani suits and Louis Vuitton shoes.

But when all is said and done, the homosexual remains a born liar. And no suit and shoes can ever change that.

As the homosexual spin doctors continue to twist HIV-aids to make it appear that homosexuals play no to little part in the proliferation of the disease. The CDC stats concerning this and the cost to tax payers proves quite a different story.

I think few stop and consider the great amount of cover that the U.S. populace provides to the homosexual as they indiscriminately spread their poison within a culture. And it continues to be this blended poison that continues to be paid for via the unsuspecting U.S. tax payer that is slowly and indiscriminately weakening the social and culture norms that have served this once great nation.

Much of society fails to recognize this cancer for what it truly is. Homosexuality is much like the cancer that is resident within the human body. Its devastating consequences are found out and discovered after the eternal damage is done. The devastation of homosexuality within a culture continues to chip away at the health of a nation. Much like cancer chips away at the human body. And although cancer victims are always innocent and unaware, homosexuals are not.

While homosexuals have actively suppressed statistics in the past and focused on portraying HIV/AIDS as a disease affecting the whole population in an equal fashion, the statistics' increasing and understandably has forced their hand. Rather than admit any inherent problem with homosexual practice itself, however, the apparent prevalence of disease among practicing homosexuals has led them to switch tactics and use these statistics to urge governments and other organizations to increase support to the homosexual communities. More waste of U.S. tax dollars.

"By recently admitting that 'HIV is a gay disease,' Matt Foreman, outgoing Executive Director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, acknowledged what the medical community has known for decades: the homosexual lifestyle is extremely high-risk and often leads to disease and even death."

Homosexuals have learned through experience to always change their tactics and adapt. Much like the cancer that hides within the human body undetected.

Yes the homosexual has become the great illusionist of the day. And constantly adapts his method's of pulling the new polished homosexual out of the hat. And bewitching all that watch.

“Statism is slavery”

Since: Jan 13

Somerset, KY

#1177 Jan 27, 2013
Pollster, LOL!

First of all, there should NEVER be a reason why government should be involved in any marriage, including traditional marriage. The only way to support marriage, is by getting repealing all government laws dealing with such a private institution.

Being gay isn't unnatural. If it were unnatural, then people wouldn't be born gay. And yes, attraction is NOT a choice. If I'm attracted to a person, then it's not a choice. If you're a guy and you're attracted to your wife, it's NOT by choice. lol! Not to mention gays have long existed in society, even in the Bible. Ancient Romans and Chinese had homosexuality.

Homosexuality does not provide a beneift for YOU. Because you're not gay. But it provides a benefit for those who are gay. You may not support, but you really show ignorance by saying that. And if you think God punishes love, then you're a hypocrite. Gays fall in love just as much and easily as straights.

Obama is not the only one who wants to redefine marriage. So do the gay bashers. You redefine marriage by wanting government involved. All state-sanctioned marriage is created by government, including straight marriages. ALL marriage was designed, before and during Christianity, to be private and voluntary. But statists, both pro-gay and anti-gay statists, want government involved.

What homosexual marriage provides children? What? How about love, shelter, food, clothing, discipline, etc. What else? Do you not know a damn thing about parenting? lol!

I skimmed through your senseless, ranting diatribe bashing gays. I also see from your rants you are ignorant of what being gay really is. Please get some education before replying and embarassing yourself all over again. Ignorance and arrogance is a dangerous mix.

Final thought: if you think God wants you to hate or use force against gays, you definitely are part of the godless propagandist crowd like government is. lol!
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#1178 Jan 27, 2013
There can be no doubt that the gay agenda has clearly desensitized our culture. To have the perception it needs to truly discern sexual deviant behavour.

And this is further evidenced by the most resent case of sexual deviance involving Jerry Sandusky. There is no doubt that the officials at Penn had allowed themselves to become so desensitized as to his sexual deviance. That they were willing to look the other way.

But when a society is bombarded. And has the full support of the President of the United States. That it is proper and normal behavour for two men to in-gauge in sexual practices with one another. This only serves to advance and instill an desensitized attitude toward this type of Sandusky behavour.

And this is the same reason that there is little outcry concerning the high murder rate in Chicago. We see so much crime that we have just become desensitized to it. We refuse to accept it as gay behavour for what it truly is, devilish and corrupt.

And that young child that was encouraged to participate in the making of that racy video has drawn little attention as well. Actually one physiologist stated that they felt it was of no harm at all to the child.

A few years ago it would have been unthinkable for a Sandusky and this video to even be shopped around.

I have shown that the top gay organizers have utilized Hitlers Mein Kampf to desensitize much of the U.S. Hitler believed that constantly keeping a concept in front of his populaces. Was the best way to get individuals to buy into it. Don't hide it, bombard them with it.

And this is true of the gay agenda, bombard them with, gay, gay, gay, gay.

Hitler as the gay agenda understood this great principle. The more an individual is exposed or around a concept. The more likely they are to become comfortable with the concept.

Not many years ago even a hint of gay marriage would have been unthinkable. But the gay agenda has so bombarded the populace with this corrupt concept. That many have become familiar and comfortable with it. They in fact have become desensitized.

Much the same way they have become desensitized with Sandusky and the video of that child.

Polygamy has also become more acceptable. But you have to remember that when Polygamy is given a national audience via TV. This provides a means to desensitize individuals. It provides a vehicle for individuals to become familiar and comfortable with this most corrupt behavour.

And as more gay based shows are allowed access into homes. Incredible desensitizing is allowed to take place.

This is also the reason that the gays want access into the grade schools. What better place to desensitize children concerning the corrupt behavior of gays.

And as gays begin to lay out the schools gay curriculum. Nothing will be off limits. And you parents will conform or else.

Yes these things are just the tip of the iceberg. And if this desensitizing is allowed to go unchecked. You will not recognize this nation in a few years.

And actually it can hardly be recognized as a civil society as is.

Remember that if the behavour that constitutes a deviant sexual behavour can be tweaked. Then the perception of what we consider deviant sexual behavour can be tweaked.

And this all begins when individuals are so desensitized as to what constitutes a deviant sexual behavour. That they no longer have the ability to perceive the difference.

You now have a greater understanding as to why the gay agenda uses word manipulation, slight of hand innuendo such as civil union, long term and loving, Constitutional right, equality, tolerance , essential good for society and those in orphanages etc. Bombard, bombard, bombard. Become comfortable, become familiar as your slowly but surly desensitized as to what is really happening.

Consider these things as your alone with your thoughts.

By embracing the marginal, the unhealthy and the deviant, no nation can remain free!

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