Obama-Marriage Debate - Oklahoma City, OK

Discuss the national Obama-Marriage debate in Oklahoma City, OK.

Are you with President Obama in supporting gay marriage?

Oklahoma City is with Obama on gay marriage.
Yes, all the way
 
55
Not at all
 
44
I'm on the fence
 
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Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#852 Feb 19, 2013
Michael Allred wrote:
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And this is how we all know that you're pretty much done. When you ran out of false and broken science to try and support your bigotry, you reverted to the same religious doggerel that you were trying to hide from the beginning.
It would be impossible to consider the negative impact the ideology of homosexuality has had upon American values and the American family without considering the special and unique attributes that God specifically built into the father and mother of a child, for the nurture and normal development of the child! Even a individual with a very limited interest and understanding of the bible becomes aware of the fact that, there are no scripture that pertains to homosexuals/lesbians ever being considered suitable for child rearing and or marriage! They also become aware of the fact that there are no scripture that address how a homosexual/lesbian relationship is to function! It is clear from scripture that the only instruction that God gave the homosexual/lesbian was to completely refrain from any such lifestyle! The casual reader of the bible will also become cognizant of the fact that, the bible contains hundreds of scripture showing God instructing the husband-wife-children concerning how they are to function and interact with one another! God has given clear instruction from Genesis too Revelations directing the specific responsibilities each are expected to carry out as God oversee and blesses the family he has designed it to function! The husband and wife are clearly instructed to love and respect one another, with a further view of utilizing their unique qualities as husband and wife to bring their children up in the nurture and admonition of God! With the husband being specifically instructed in Ephesians 6:4 Not to provoke his children to wrath, Which means the fathers primary responsibility before God, too his children is to lead by example, the father is not to teach his children to be wrathful, or to encourage them to be hell raisers! But he is to bring them up in the nurture and admonitions of the Lord! He is to tenderize their hearts towards God by his example of love and tenderness towards his children and wife! There is a record in Proverbs that says a child left to himself brings his mother to shame! But the father is not mentioned in that record, I may handle that section at a later time! Clearly no homosexual/lesbian relationship is ever mentioned as being suitable for marriage or child rearing! Children deserve the best, and God has shown the best way to give them that! Father know best! Even with all its faults, brought about by mans unwillingness too adhere to the standards God has set for marriage and child rearing, the heterosexual couple still provide the best soil to produce the best children for future generations of Americans! Because it is built upon unchanging truths!

Isaiah 54:13 All your children shall be taught by the Lord, and great shall be the peace of your children!

KJV
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#853 Feb 19, 2013
pollster I can tell you from experience that trying to reason with these people is a complete waste of time. They won't shut up until we have gay marriage, legalized drugs, abortion on demand, etc etc. They are going to be the downfall of America eventually.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#854 Feb 20, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
pollster I can tell you from experience that trying to reason with these people is a complete waste of time. They won't shut up until we have gay marriage, legalized drugs, abortion on demand, etc etc. They are going to be the downfall of America eventually.
Yes it is a real shame!

I wanted to post for your consideration some aspects regarding the Godly beauty of children praising their mother within the marriage relationship.

As well as her husband praising her, as it should be.

Remember that scripture says that who finds a wife finds a good thing!

It is quite beautiful!

Proverbs 31:28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.

Here once again we see Gods intent for the family!

And there is never any mention of homosexual/lesbians being considered for these roles and commitments thru out the entire word of God.

That speaks volumes to say the least.

And we understand once again that all homosexual ideologies dirty this reality!

Clearly the homosexual ideology of homosexual/lesbian child adoption deprives the children of the Godly nurture of a father and mother in the home!

The homosexual/lesbian adoption of children is nothing more then the, state and fed legalization of child mental and emotional abuse!

Jesus Christ warned his society concerning offenses that were designed to offend children, and the consequences for those that do such!

All homosexual/lesbian adoption carry's with it both, immediate and long term consequences to the children being denied both a mother and a father, and our society suffers as a whole!

No homosexual can ever replace the maternal instincts that God created within the mother to nurture and strengthen the child and her husband!

Even within the animal kingdom, where it is impossible for animals to have biases and personal feelings regarding moral, internal, and parenting issues!

Will show by Gods design that even within the animal kingdom, offspring enjoy the rearing of both a male and female!

There can be no doubt that homosexual ideologies continues to dirty what it touches!

All homosexual ideologies, of which atheism is part of because, they both deny any moral ground regarding their unfounded positions for which they stand!

Homosexual/lesbian adoption produce secret shame and mental turmoil within children!

Children are not easily fooled!

Children clearly understand what goes on between the two bears on the other side of the wall!

No child should ever be subjected to that!

I believe it to be comparable to heterosexual domestic abuse suffered by children that, have personally witnessed domestic abuse first hand!

It creates fear confusion and hurt within the children exposed to it, as no doubt some here could witness to!

The children rise up to receive the love and nurture of their mother and call blessed! If this is not what God intended for the child, what is?

Since: Dec 11

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#855 Feb 20, 2013
Pollster wrote:
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All homosexual/lesbian adoption carry's with it both, immediate and long term consequences to the children being denied both a mother and a father, and our society suffers as a whole!
There is no evidence to support this conclusion, and a lot that refutes it.
Pollster wrote:
Even within the animal kingdom, where it is impossible for animals to have biases and personal feelings regarding moral, internal, and parenting issues!
Will show by Gods design that even within the animal kingdom, offspring enjoy the rearing of both a male and female!
No, they don't. In many species, fathers are completely inactive in child raising. They impregnate females and then leave.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#856 Feb 20, 2013
evidently box was raised by gay parents
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#857 Feb 20, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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There is no evidence to support this conclusion, and a lot that refutes it.
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No, they don't. In many species, fathers are completely inactive in child raising. They impregnate females and then leave.
There is no evidence greater then scripture and what God has declared!
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#858 Feb 20, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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There is no evidence to support this conclusion, and a lot that refutes it.
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No, they don't. In many species, fathers are completely inactive in child raising. They impregnate females and then leave.
Homosexuals have no ability to impregnate each other!

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#859 Feb 20, 2013
Pollster wrote:
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There is no evidence greater then scripture and what God has declared!
Your god is fictional. It's not evidence of anything.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#860 Feb 20, 2013
Pollster wrote:
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Homosexuals have no ability to impregnate each other!
Which has nothing to do with your false statement about animals.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#861 Feb 20, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Which has nothing to do with your false statement about animals.
In Luke 17:1-2 Jesus declares that “offenses will come,” but then adds,“but woe be to the one who cause offenses”.

In Matthew 18:1-10 we learn that Jesus particularly warns individuals of the dire consequences that will befall those who offend little children or young Christians!

As we consider this great atrocity that has been perpetrated against this child, we must naturally place the child's lifelong welfare and emotions first! Although when a person considers what really went on behind the scenes, one realizes that this child's future was never considered in terms of negative personal and emotional pain! As a individual looks at who the players were that, participated in this most Frankenstein of concepts, they become very aware of the fact that there were mainly four monsters involved in this lab experiment, that created this experimental child!

[1] The Elton John monster!

[2] The David Furnish monster!

[3] The Biological monster that provided the egg!

[4] The Surrogate monster that accepted the biological monsters egg!

Clearly this whole experiment that was hatched in Frankenstein's lab, was given birth based upon several personal interests at several different levels! It would be hard to identify who the chief monster was, given so many were involved! This child was clearly brought into this world based upon mans selfishness and greed! No thought, no love, no concern, no consideration for the well-being of this child was ever considered! Everyone involved got something, at the expense of the child, and with the exception of the child! Clearly the Biological and Surrogate monsters were well paid for their participation in this corrupt experiment! The other two monsters involvement was clearly driven via selfishness and corruption, driven by a desire to posses something that, because of the corrupt lifestyle both monsters have chosen to in-gauge in! God, by his wisdom and consideration for the well-being of all children has denied them! And now there is a child that one day will grow to become a very troubled and tortured soul, as the child comes too the true realization of how and why it was created, and the monsters involved in its creation! Many of whom will remain anonymous through out the child's lifetime! Jesus Christ said that there would be offenses and atrocities brought about by man and perpetrated upon children! He also said, God help the individuals that commits these offenses and atrocities against children! You may laugh and scoff and twist as you sit upon the sidelines of life! But some day there will be Godly justice for this child and the helpless! The eternal wheels of Gods justice may grind slowly, but they grind finely! There is also a fifth monster involved in this Frankenstein experiment! And its name is, Homosexual Ideology!

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#862 Feb 20, 2013
Pollster wrote:
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As we consider this great atrocity that has been perpetrated against this child, we must naturally place the child's lifelong welfare and emotions first!
Agreed. And the evidence shows that same-sex couples can raise children just as well as straight couples.

So your argument fails.
Pollster wrote:
No thought, no love, no concern, no consideration for the well-being of this child was ever considered!
On the contrary, when gay couples want children, MUCH thought and concern goes into the process. Gay couples never have "accidents" or unwanted children.
Pollster wrote:
Christ said that there would be offenses and atrocities brought about by man and perpetrated upon children!
Oh, like when the Bible god murders many children in Noah's Flood, murders many Egyptian children, or orders the Israelites to murder Canaanite children? Those atrocities? Or are those just parts of the Bible that Christians pretend aren't in there?
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#864 Feb 21, 2013
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antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#865 Feb 21, 2013
box wants children killed.......end of story.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#866 Feb 21, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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There is no evidence to support this conclusion, and a lot that refutes it.
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No, they don't. In many species, fathers are completely inactive in child raising. They impregnate females and then leave.
The SCOTUS will not be redefining marriage, they will be redefining morality.

TVOSW
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#867 Feb 21, 2013
As I consider the totality of all social break downs resident within society at this time.

I am left with the belief that it has been the utter failure of the organized church, that bears most of the responsibility for our nations woes!

Simply put, organized religion has not done its job!

Remember that organized religion and first and foremost the ministers are responsible for setting the moral tone and moral ques for the nation.

And governments job is to see to it that those ques are carried out. Via moral and ethical policies put in place via those bodies that in a sense frame our current nation.

But it becomes clear that the ministers overall have done nothing to call these politicians out, for failing to establish moral and ethical frameworks to help strengthen our nation and the family's in our nation.

As one studies the entire scope and depth of scripture. It becomes apparent that all nations only flourished to the same extent that those men of God held forth and stood on the precepts that God had set. As a means of advancing the nations and its people.

And organized religion is at least indirectly if not directly responsible for the corruption and violence perpetuated thru out society today!

Many blame the politicians wholly, I do not!

One can hardly find a minister anywhere willing to stand for anything decent!

Why is this? Mostly because they were never true ministers to begin with.

They hold very little if any conviction concerning Godly standards. But have rather sold themselves to the political correctness of the day! And the nation is paying for it.

And if the ministers had even an ounce of the convictions that the homosexual agenda has. There would be no SCOTUS decision concerning SSM!

Why do you think the President sold his soul to the homosexual agenda.

Because it carried more influence then organized religion, that's why!

Organized religion has become the laughing stock of the nation.

And one can lay that garland at the feet of the weak ministers!

Ministers that follow this site and sit and say nothing! Oh yes its quite a deal going on.

And when God brings the nation to its knees, you will have the ministers to thank for that!

And these massive ministries headed by these men. Are nothing but feel good sanitarians!

These men do these TV interviews and are asked questions, and they shake in their shoes to give the politically correct answer!

Can you imagine Oprah or Larry King interviewing Jesus? And asking him some Mickey Mouse question about abortion or homosexual adoption or passing out condoms to kids, Ha ha!

Yes folks, our nation is in very very deep distress!

And now you know who is really responsible for it!

And all these political parties are always pushing people to call or write their Representatives in DC.

Don,t write or call your Representatives.

Tell your ministers that, that is their job and hand them the phone!

That's Christian Love!

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#868 Feb 21, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
box wants children killed.......end of story.
Yup, complaining about the deaths of children means you want them killed.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#869 Feb 21, 2013
Pollster wrote:
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The SCOTUS will not be redefining marriage, they will be redefining morality.
TVOSW
No, they'll be interpreting law, which is their job.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#870 Feb 21, 2013
Pollster wrote:
Remember that organized religion and first and foremost the ministers are responsible for setting the moral tone and moral ques for the nation.
And governments job is to see to it that those ques are carried out. Via moral and ethical policies put in place via those bodies that in a sense frame our current nation.
But it becomes clear that the ministers overall have done nothing to call these politicians out, for failing to establish moral and ethical frameworks to help strengthen our nation and the family's in our nation.
You're missing a key thing here, Pollster. People have realized that organized religion is really bad at setting morals. It's really outdated.
Pollster wrote:
It becomes apparent that all nations only flourished to the same extent that those men of God held forth and stood on the precepts that God had set.
Some of the most successful countries in the world are those that are the least religious. You also have to ignore all the world's great empires that were not Christian. Hell, the Roman Empire was at its strongest BEFORE it became Christian.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#872 Feb 21, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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No, they'll be interpreting law, which is their job.
They will not be redefining marriage, they will be redefining morality!
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#873 Feb 21, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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No, they'll be interpreting law, which is their job.
Given the most recent conviction of the homosexual pedophile Jerry Sandusky. Is there really much difference between what he did and what homosexuals are teaching school children?

Should male on male sodomy really be introduced to school children?

Should not school children be left to grow and flourish as God intended?

Can homosexuality really be normal if it has to be taught and forced upon school children?

It seems that heterosexual children have done quite well without being indoctrinated as children as to what is proper. If homosexuality is normal, then wouldn't it stand to reason that natural selection would balance it all out without someone being required to be educated about the lifestyle?

Will Sandusky and the homosexual become the new societal norms of our culture?

Sure there is age and consent involved.

But from what we have seen so far is that really a bridge to far?

After all it does seem as though they are lowering the age of consent every day.

Have you ever asked yourself the question, why are the homosexuals in the schools?

Why is it so important for them to be in the schools?

And why grade schools?

If their going to be in the schools, should it not at the very least be in the high schools?

Should children in grade school have to deal with the sex lives of the adults?

Children no doubt have been exposed to the atrocities of the homosexual pedophile Jerry Sandusky via TV, news paper etc. Would it be unreasonable for them to not make the connection between Sandusky and what their being taught in school concerning homosexual sodomy?

And you must remember that children are not easily fooled.

I realize these are very troubling questions for any parent.

But you will be required to expose and teach your children about them at some point. Is the acceptance of these things as there taught to your children really love?

Should not the interest of the children be put first?

Should the tender minds of the children be so twisted and contorted for something as inessential to our culture as the Sandusky's and other homosexual pedophiles?

Should we teach school children that polygamy would also be an acceptable lifestyle for them to consider.

After all polygamist make the same claim that the homosexual and the homosexual pedophile make. And that is that their lifestyle and desires are based upon love.

But what is love?

Are there any boundaries to love?

And what or who sets those boundaries?

Is there a right and proper sexual and moral conduct? And who or what determines what that right, proper and moral conduct is?

And since homosexuals and homosexual pedophiles in the truest sense produce no children. Should children be taught that marriage and family are unimportant?

That marriage and family are inessential to our culture norms?

Is that love?

And we know that all civilizations thru out antiquity have been based upon the family and not the individual. Should that societal norm now be changed to accommodate the corrupt inessential desires of the individual within a society?

Is that love?

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