Obama-Marriage Debate - Oklahoma City, OK

Discuss the national Obama-Marriage debate in Oklahoma City, OK.

Are you with President Obama in supporting gay marriage?

Oklahoma City is with Obama on gay marriage.
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antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#788 Dec 6, 2012
ha you think that I think you are going to change?????

Again for the umpteenth time, it is my opinion. Its Gods word. Is that not good enough for you????
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#789 Dec 6, 2012
antiatheist wrote:
ha you think that I think you are going to change?????
Again for the umpteenth time, it is my opinion. Its Gods word. Is that not good enough for you????
and for the billionth+umpteenth time my friend - it is YOUR OPINION about what YOU THINK God's word says.

you expect people to change when you say what you say and act the way you about what they believe.

you fail to see the difference between your opinion and everyone else's right to their own opinion, particularly in this case, about God's word and interpretations of God's word. it bothers you to no end that other's don't buy into your opinion and want to fall in lock step with you.

if you check the pew's study on religion and faith in america, you'd find that more conservative denominations (like the one your belong to) had the highest rate of loss of followers. more and more congregations, more and more denominations, more and more people are disagreeing with your opinion of what you think God's word says. and rapidly so.
that may not bother you. yet what you fail to understand is that as people walk away from your fervently held belief, they also take their votes (for public offices and laws) and their wallets. so as you sit on the pew all alone, you'll see the lights turned off, the mortgage of the building foreclosed upon, and the doors boarded up. perhaps not on the building you sit in, but more and more of churches that follow your way of thinking will suffer losses. so you'll get to sit there all smug. and all alone.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#790 Dec 6, 2012
more and more people are turning away from God....that is true. I guess its a sign of the end times because that is exactly what God said would happen. Things are going to get worse as people begin to become more secularized and look for confirmation of their sinful ways.

How can these verses be interpreted any other way???? This isn't my opinion its Gods word.

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense."

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.(NLT)

1 Timothy 1:8-10
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#791 Dec 7, 2012
anti - try reading some books from paul tillich to understand those passages better.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#792 Dec 7, 2012
additionally, if you spoke to or corresponded with the leaders of those denominations from that list & asked them about those passages, they can give you a better understanding as well.

good luck.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#793 Dec 7, 2012
ha.......oh ya I'm sure they could come up with their own little justification. Lets see, male prostitution is still bad, drunkards are still bad, thieves are still bad, adultery is still bad, yet somehow homosexuality is now good???? Face reality and stop listening to these idiots with an agenda. They are leading you down the wrong path. Trust in God...not man.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#794 Dec 7, 2012
antiatheist wrote:
ha.......oh ya I'm sure they could come up with their own little justification. Lets see, male prostitution is still bad, drunkards are still bad, thieves are still bad, adultery is still bad, yet somehow homosexuality is now good???? Face reality and stop listening to these idiots with an agenda. They are leading you down the wrong path. Trust in God...not man.
name calling again. last desperate resort, coupled with more than just a touch of arrogance.
ignore others if that suits you. don't expect others to follow you or your opinion.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#795 Dec 7, 2012
you would probably follow jim jones if he agreed with homosexuality.

“Put the X Back in X-Mas.”

Since: Feb 08

Norman, Oklahoma

#796 Dec 14, 2012
antiatheist wrote:
thou shalt not
And thus do you negate any argument you thought you had...
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#797 Dec 14, 2012
i told you to quit wasting your time michael...you are not important.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#800 Feb 7, 2013
Vanesa wrote:
The difference between Obama and Romney on this issue is quite clear.
Obama merely voiced his personal opinion on the subject, that he believes the right to marry the person you love is a freedom that should be enjoyed by all Americans. He considers it to be a matter for individual states and courts to decide without any direct influence on his part.
Romney not only opposes same sex marriage but also opposes gay couples being in any kind of legal union whatsoever, and seeks to change the US constitution to state such.
Which one of these people do you think believes in freedom?
I am still waiting for insight as to how SSM would benefit our nation? Anyone?

A government definition of marriage between two homosexuals strikes against the beauty and virtue of what we know as healthy societal norms for all involved.

Homosexual marriage provides no strength, benefits, or usefulness to any future generation's.

At best, all homosexual marriage is self-serving providing nothing of benefit to society as a whole.

All civilizations have derived their stability and longevity since antiquity. Based solely upon the enduring truth that family has perpetuated itself and culture in a true, natural and Godly form.

In order for all natural civilizations to flourish and remain true, those civilizations must be supported via the natural family and not the individual, nor a government created definition of what a natural family is.

And the husband-wife still provide the best soil to produce all future, and virtuous children as all societal norms flourish and propagate themselves.

As societal norms are destroyed, societies are also destroyed from within.

And all attempts to transform sound norms into unsound norms. Will only weaken the nation that attempts to do such.

Right and proper conduct is necessary in order to sustain a civil and prospers society.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#801 Feb 7, 2013
Pollster wrote:
<quoted text>I am still waiting for insight as to how SSM would benefit our nation? Anyone?
It solidifies homosexual relationships and the environment for their children.

I'm still waiting for insight about how it will harm the nation, outside of vague Chicken Little claims.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#802 Feb 7, 2013
[QUOTE w[/QUOTE]

Transforming-Verb: To make a thorough or dramatic change in the form, appearance, or character of.

As one studies the homosexual movement in America. There is absolutely no doubt that the entire homosexual transformation is a complete and total facade.

And all designed to give the illusion of normalcy to the homosexual.

And every natural culture norm has been skewed, tweaked and distorted in an attempt to squeeze the homosexual into the American culture.

Homosexuals cannot have children, which means they cannot be considered a family.

Therefore every natural culture norm has been skewed, tweaked and distorted. In an attempt to make the homosexual into the American family as they adopt children. Or have a child created in an attempt to portray themselves as a family. Another attempt to transform them into American culture. But it is all just another facade.

All homosexual adoption is built upon the false premise that children are to be given to homosexuals based upon nothing more then the private purpose to obtain. Based upon the desire for that which one, because of the choices they have made forbids them children by a natural and Godly means!

All homosexual adoption is based upon the homosexuals desire to posses children for a private purpose rather then what is actually best for the child!

Homosexual adoption is nothing more then a slight of hand trick carried out via the state to shift the adoption of children from an essential purpose of society, to the inessential private purpose of the homosexual! As a means to complete their transformation into the American culture.

Homosexuals adopting, like a rainbow is an optical illusion. As a rainbow has no actual end point. And there is really no end point to homosexual adoption. Other then to complete the transformation of the homosexual into the American culture.

Homosexual marriage is also another created reality. And this to has has been skewed, tweaked and distorted in an attempt to squeeze the homosexual into the American culture. Another facade created to put a normal transformation face upon marriage, another natural culture norm.

A government definition of marriage between two homosexuals strikes against the beauty and virtue of what we know as healthy societal norms for all involved.

Homosexual marriage provides no strength, benefits, or usefulness to any future generation's.

At best, all homosexual marriage is self-serving providing nothing of benefit to society as a whole.

All civilizations have derived their stability and longevity since antiquity. Based solely upon the enduring truth that family has perpetuated itself and culture in a true, natural and Godly form.

In order for all natural civilizations to flourish and remain true, those civilizations must be supported via the natural family and not the individual, nor a government created definition of what a natural family is.

And the husband-wife still provide the best soil to produce all future, and virtuous children as all societal norms flourish and propagate themselves.

As societal norms are destroyed, societies are also destroyed from within.

And all attempts to transform sound norms into unsound norms. Will only weaken the nation that attempts to do such.

Right and proper conduct is necessary in order to sustain a civil and prospers society.

No nation can sip honey laced with poison and avoid emotional and moral sickness.

Much of the violence we see today is in reality, symptoms of a host of emotional and moral honey laced poison.

And the entire homosexual agenda has done much to confuse, distort and destroy good Godly norms that have served our nation well.

We have become a very very morally sick nation.

A nation in desperate need of men and women willing to stand up. And speak up for those good and Godly principles that have served our nation. And the children of our nation.

I have not written to be critical, but the truth of what is really going on must be told.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#803 Feb 7, 2013
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>
It solidifies homosexual relationships and the environment for their children.
I'm still waiting for insight about how it will harm the nation, outside of vague Chicken Little claims.
Homosexual marriage provides no strength, benefits, or usefulness to any future generation's.

At best, all homosexual marriage is self-serving providing nothing of benefit to society as a whole.

All civilizations have derived their stability and longevity since antiquity. Based solely upon the enduring truth that family has perpetuated itself and culture in a true, natural and Godly form.

In order for all natural civilizations to flourish and remain true, those civilizations must be supported via the natural family and not the individual, nor a government created definition of what a natural family is.

And the husband-wife still provide the best soil to produce all future, and virtuous children as all societal norms flourish and propagate themselves.

As societal norms are destroyed, societies are also destroyed from within.

And all attempts to transform sound norms into unsound norms. Will only weaken the nation that attempts to do such.

Right and proper conduct is necessary in order to sustain a civil and prospers society.

No nation can sip honey laced with poison and avoid emotional and moral sickness.

Much of the violence we see today is in reality, symptoms of a host of emotional and moral honey laced poison.

And the entire homosexual agenda has done much to confuse, distort and destroy good Godly norms that have served our nation well.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#804 Feb 7, 2013
Pollster wrote:
<quoted text>
Homosexual marriage provides no strength, benefits, or usefulness to any future generation's.
I just gave you two benefits.

Do you have any actual argument or just a site you copy and paste from?
Pollster wrote:
All civilizations have derived their stability and longevity since antiquity. Based solely upon the enduring truth that family has perpetuated itself and culture in a true, natural and Godly form.
Early civilizations, including the Israelites, were polygamous. Since this must be a natural and godly form of marriage, you must approve.

Early civilizations, including the Israelites, did not require the woman's consent in marriage. Since this must be a natural and godly form of marriage, you must approve.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#805 Feb 7, 2013
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>
It solidifies homosexual relationships and the environment for their children.
I'm still waiting for insight about how it will harm the nation, outside of vague Chicken Little claims.
I would like to go deeper into this idea of adoption and homosexuals adopting.

I feel there may be some misunderstanding concerning the true purpose of adoption.

Clearly the true purpose of adoption in not to provide any couple with children per,se. But rather provide children with the best possible environment to flourish in. Which naturally would have to be a male-female in the home.

There is no question that both a male-female provides the best soil for children to flourish.

The male-female because of the special attributes that God created within them are without question the most beneficial to the child's well being overall.

It is virtually impossible for two men or two women to meet all the complex needs of a child thru out its lifetime.

Study's have shown for example that young girls are less chaste when raised via same sex couples.

Studies have also shown more emotional and psychological problems within children raised via same sex couples.

Scripture will also bare this out.

There are literally hundreds of scripture giving instruction as to how the male-female-children relationship is to function.

But at the same time there is not one scripture that gives any information as to how a homosexual/lesbian/children are to function.

Why? Because God never considered them suitable for marriage and or child rearing.

Once again the best interest of the child must be put first, not political correctness!

And the state placing children with same sex couples and denying the child access to a male-female. Is nothing but state sanctioned child abuse.

Once again the adoption of children can never be based upon the inessential need of the homosexual/lesbian.

As the inessential homosexual/lesbian need is paid for by the essential need of children to enjoy the necessary benefits that the male-female provide as the child flourishes.

Once again I have not posted to be critical. But the truth must be told concerning homosexual/lesbian adoption.

Where would you place your child?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

At least I think we all know the honest answer to that question!

Homosexuals cannot have children via homosexual sodomy, which means they cannot be considered a family.

Therefore every natural culture norm has been skewed, tweaked and distorted. In an attempt to make the homosexual into the American family as they adopt children. Or have a child created in an attempt to portray themselves as a family. Another attempt to transform them into American culture. But it is all just another facade.

All homosexual adoption is built upon the false premise that children are to be given to homosexuals based upon nothing more then the private purpose to obtain. Based upon the desire for that which one, because of the choices they have made forbids them children by a natural and Godly means!

All homosexual adoption is based upon the homosexuals desire to posses children for a private purpose rather then what is actually best for the child!

Homosexual adoption is nothing more then a slight of hand trick carried out via the state to shift the adoption of children from an essential purpose of society, to the inessential private purpose of the homosexual! As a means to complete their transformation into the American culture.

Homosexuals adopting, like a rainbow is an optical illusion. As a rainbow has no actual end point. And there is really no end point to homosexual adoption. Other then to complete the transformation of the homosexual into the American culture.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#806 Feb 7, 2013
Pollster wrote:
<quoted text>
Clearly the true purpose of adoption in not to provide any couple with children per,se. But rather provide children with the best possible environment to flourish in. Which naturally would have to be a male-female in the home.
There is no question that both a male-female provides the best soil for children to flourish.
Yes, there is. All available scientific research shows that children of same-sex couples have equal outcomes to those of 'traditional' couples.
Pollster wrote:
There are literally hundreds of scripture giving instruction as to how the male-female-children relationship is to function.
But at the same time there is not one scripture that gives any information as to how a homosexual/lesbian/children are to function.
Why?
Because the Bible is a work created by primitive people. It also gives instructions on how to practice slavery.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#807 Feb 7, 2013
box every time you open your mouth it shows how idiotic you really are.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#808 Feb 11, 2013
Share how SSM would be a benefit overall to society.

Why should we pass sweeping SSM laws, for what purpose?

If you say civil rights, does that mean that polygamist, and incestuous relations have a civil right to be married as well?

And what purpose would polygamist, and incestuous marriage play in the role of benefiting our nation as a whole?

If you say that SSM should be allowed for the same financial gain that heterosexual couples enjoy.

Then what is the point of the institution of marriage to begin with, financial gain?

I thought the institution of marriage was to provide a benefit to societal norms and family.

Are we now changing the qualifier to financial gain rather then a benefit to society and the children of a society?

You may say we should have SSM because it is a civil right.

Does that mean that now we are changing the qualifier from a benefit to societal norms and children, to financial gain and civil rights?

Well then, What is the real purpose of the institution of marriage?

Should we pass laws based upon expediency and political correctness?

Has expediency and political correctness become the new qualifier for the institution of marriage?

You may say we need SSM so gay partners can visit one another in the hospital?

Has hospital visitation now become the new qualifier to rearrange the institution of marriage?

Would it not make more sense to change visitation laws?

You may say we need SSM because we have children on orphanages?

Is this now become the new qualifier for the institution of marriage?

Would it not make more sense to relax the adoption laws and allow all children to enjoy both a father and mother in the home?

You may say we should allow SSM because gay couples have been in long term relationships. But wouldn't that discriminate against the short term gay relationships?

Has long term gay relationships now become the new qualifier to rearrange the institution of marriage?

You may say we need SSM because some have served in the military?

But that would discriminant against those that haven't?

And has military service now become the new qualifier to rearrange the institution of marriage?

And what would be the new qualifier for the polygamist and incestuous couple?

And still we have not answered the most basic question, what is the purpose of SSM and what benefit does it provide to society and society's children?

Surly one cannot expect to turn the world upside down based upon something that is totally self-serving, can we?

Should not all laws be based upon those things that cause the mores and norms of a nation and family to flourish?

Should not laws be based upon those things that cause civilizations to propagate the family, rather then the individual?

Should we give full status to the concept of SSM. A concept that has no ability to fully propagate the society in which the concept is being advocated?

Civil unions? For what purpose?

Equality? Based on what?

Look, I am trying to help SSM out here.

But you have got to make you case?

Facts, not emotion.

Logic, not illogic!

Benefit, not nonsense.

Laws based upon moral underpinnings that have stood from antiquity. Not laws created to squeeze moral underpinnings out as new unproven qualifiers are created.

Laws that protect our nations most valuable asset, children. Not laws created for social experimentation with children.

Laws that strengthen heterosexual marriage. Not laws that cheapen and toy with heterosexual marriage.

I have not written to be critical!

But these questions must be answered in the pursuit of whats really best for our nation, not the individual.
Pollster

Bristolville, OH

#809 Feb 11, 2013
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, there is. All available scientific research shows that children of same-sex couples have equal outcomes to those of 'traditional' couples.
<quoted text>
Because the Bible is a work created by primitive people. It also gives instructions on how to practice slavery.
Let me ask you an honest and simple question?

How does it really feel to wake up every morning and no that you have gutted your parents emotionally. To look in the mirror and know that your whole life is a lie. And to know that every nuance has been twisted, contorted, and distorted to give you a sense of normalcy?

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