Obama-Marriage Debate - Oklahoma City, OK

Discuss the national Obama-Marriage debate in Oklahoma City, OK.

Are you with President Obama in supporting gay marriage?

Oklahoma City is with Obama on gay marriage.
Yes, all the way
 
55
Not at all
 
44
I'm on the fence
 
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antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#767 Dec 5, 2012
all you can do is list all these crazy churches that believe that homosexuality is fine and dandy yet you can't point to one place in the bible that agrees with that view. The blind leading the blind.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#768 Dec 5, 2012
antiatheist wrote:
all you can do is list all these crazy churches that believe that homosexuality is fine and dandy yet you can't point to one place in the bible that agrees with that view. The blind leading the blind.
crazy churches.....when the lutherans are on that list and they're the ones taht started the whole reformation back in the 1500's. or do you think that human history just begins with 1900? LOL

you sir are the blind one around here that refuses to even allow for differing POVs - you're the one that demands that all Christians line up behind you and follow your opinon in lock step. it angers you when others see and understand passages perhaps differently than you. i've already touched on history, how our knowledge affects things, how translations works - and you blew that off. so instead of wasting my time any further - you pick up the phone and call the leaders of various churches and denominations and make your demands on them. have your bickering debate with them. see how far you get in changing their minds.

oh yeah, if you look at that list again, there's also some baptist and catholic churches. "crazy churches" indeed. what insane cult do you follow?
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#769 Dec 5, 2012
honestly you are REALLY that gullible? Some church calls itself "baptist" and you think its mainstream? You can find a church for pretty much whatever lifestyle choice you wanna have. These churches can't be bible believing, bible teaching churches because the bible is clear on the subject. Gods word doesn't change my dear and neither does mans desire to sin. Its not my opinion...its Gods word. Try reading it sometime.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#770 Dec 5, 2012
antiatheist wrote:
honestly you are REALLY that gullible? Some church calls itself "baptist" and you think its mainstream? You can find a church for pretty much whatever lifestyle choice you wanna have. These churches can't be bible believing, bible teaching churches because the bible is clear on the subject. Gods word doesn't change my dear and neither does mans desire to sin. Its not my opinion...its Gods word. Try reading it sometime.
clearly, this is why i won't debate this with you - you won't believe anything anyone tells you because you're blinded by your own ignorance.

go call the leaders who's responsibility it is to lead the churches and congregations. take them to task. waste their time, not mine, chum.

so what cult do you subscribe to? what the name on the outside of your building where you worship? what is the affiliation?
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#771 Dec 5, 2012
I wont believe anything anyone tells me? Well see there lies the problem. You believe ANYTHING anyone tells you as long as it supports your sinful lifestyle. Show me where in the bible it tells me that homosexuality is acceptable and I will be quiet.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#772 Dec 5, 2012
antiatheist wrote:
I wont believe anything anyone tells me? Well see there lies the problem. You believe ANYTHING anyone tells you as long as it supports your sinful lifestyle. Show me where in the bible it tells me that homosexuality is acceptable and I will be quiet.
show me where you did your own research in talking to the leaders of those churches.

now, again, what church do you attend?
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#773 Dec 5, 2012
dear.......I take the word of God...not the word of any church on your list.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#774 Dec 5, 2012
antiatheist wrote:
dear.......I take the word of God...not the word of any church on your list.
so you don't attend any church at all?
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#775 Dec 5, 2012
I attend a bible believing and bible teaching church. One that stands on Gods word. Apparently you don't. You attend one that caters to your lifestyle choice. Sad
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#777 Dec 6, 2012
antiatheist wrote:
I attend a bible believing and bible teaching church. One that stands on Gods word. Apparently you don't. You attend one that caters to your lifestyle choice. Sad
LOL.

it's sad that you can't give the name of the church. apparantly you don't believe in it.

that's just your uninformed opinion chum since you refuse to make those phone calls to the leaders to satiate your curiosity.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#778 Dec 6, 2012
the name of the church? I attend a southern baptist church.

HA now surely you don't expect me to call some church and ask them their stance on homosexuality. You are the one that attends such a church yet you don't even know how they come up with their stance. Shouldn't YOU be the one asking them those questions? You can't even point to any place in the bible that backs up your lifestyle choice.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#779 Dec 6, 2012
antiatheist wrote:
the name of the church? I attend a southern baptist church.
HA now surely you don't expect me to call some church and ask them their stance on homosexuality. You are the one that attends such a church yet you don't even know how they come up with their stance. Shouldn't YOU be the one asking them those questions? You can't even point to any place in the bible that backs up your lifestyle choice.
well goody for you. you finally coughed up the denomination. and it was no surprise - i grew up surrounded by southern baptists and they all had that same arrogance and thought that "you ain't goin' to heaven unless you go to my church"....poppycock. complete and utter poppycock.
you're the one that wants to know. i've read the information on the ELCA website. you won't even do a google search! how lazy is that?! all you do is sit and point fingers, gripe about how others believe and believe smugly that you're the one that's right! you're the one that not only ignores the biblical admonishemnts of how christians should treat one another AND the u.s. constitition that allows each of us to make that choice of which faith to follow (if we choose to even follow one)- never mind that you want to defy the u.s. constitution and make biblical theocratic law into public law. unbelievable. and you see nothing wrong with that arrogance either. that's the shocking part.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#780 Dec 6, 2012
oh poor heart...making stuff up again. I've been a baptist since I was a teenager and I've never heard anyone, not one single person say you aren't going to heaven if you aren't southern baptist. You just completely made that up.

Well lutherans are known for being a very liberal denomination so I wouldn't put much weight into what their website says. I'm sure there are some good Lutherans but if they are advocating homosexuality or saying in any way that the bible condons it then shame on them. They aren't using the bible as their text.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#781 Dec 6, 2012
antiatheist wrote:
oh poor heart...making stuff up again. I've been a baptist since I was a teenager and I've never heard anyone, not one single person say you aren't going to heaven if you aren't southern baptist. You just completely made that up.
Well lutherans are known for being a very liberal denomination so I wouldn't put much weight into what their website says. I'm sure there are some good Lutherans but if they are advocating homosexuality or saying in any way that the bible condons it then shame on them. They aren't using the bible as their text.
i'm speaking the truth - heard it way too many times in my youth. mighty fine examples of christiandom.

and there ya go again.....not believing what the facts are - even without going and doing the research on your own. go ahead and bury your head - you continue to show your ignorance and arrogance. shame shame shame on you. i'd bet you don't even believe basic math of 2 + 2 = 4! you really do amuse the heck outta me.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#782 Dec 6, 2012
heart this tells me what kind of person you are. You continue to lie and lie. I've been a baptist all my life...been to numerous churches. Don't you think I would have heard this??? You are so full of crap.

and what facts am I not believing?
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#783 Dec 6, 2012
antiatheist wrote:
heart this tells me what kind of person you are. You continue to lie and lie. I've been a baptist all my life...been to numerous churches. Don't you think I would have heard this??? You are so full of crap.
and what facts am I not believing?
i havne't lied one bit - you accuse and accuse and stomp and throw your fits and deny all you want. you have yet to show us anything that shows any of my posts are lies.

so far as we can see, you're the one filled with mean spirited crap.

i do feel sorry for you. and we see you for what you are. a person that professes to be a christian, yet has no sense of how to treat others and is filled with smugness and arrogance.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#784 Dec 6, 2012
again......what facts am I not believing?

You love to throw stones at southern baptists yet I've been one most of my life and I've never heard anything like what you said. Should I believe my own personal experience or someone that doesn't even attend a baptist church? You simply don't know what you are talking about.

Its not surprising though that you would attack a bible believing church because they don't agree with your lifestyle. I guess that is why you chose to be a lutheran...they won't tell you what you are doing is wrong.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#785 Dec 6, 2012
antiatheist wrote:
again......what facts am I not believing?
You love to throw stones at southern baptists yet I've been one most of my life and I've never heard anything like what you said. Should I believe my own personal experience or someone that doesn't even attend a baptist church? You simply don't know what you are talking about.
Its not surprising though that you would attack a bible believing church because they don't agree with your lifestyle. I guess that is why you chose to be a lutheran...they won't tell you what you are doing is wrong.
just because you haven't heard doens't mean that others don't do and say those things.

what facts? those that i've posted - every one of them from my first posting here. you bury your head in the sand and deny fact and spew your arrogance. it's obivious you're the one that doesn't what they're talking about or even what others are talking about because you refuse to do your own research and investigate. all you want to do in your little smug world is sit at your keyboard toss out insults and cry about how you think everyone else is wrong and that we should all live our lives in accordance with your opinion. bubba, we don't wait around on you to decide what's right what's wrong - the rest of us already know the difference between what's right and your opinion. all you really want to do is sit back and whine about how everyone else is wrong and you're the only that's right.

tough pal. no one's changing for some internet stranger with zero credibility and no facts.

so go try and insult someone who cares enough about your opinion.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#786 Dec 6, 2012
there are people in every denomination that say crazy things. I'm sure many lutherans say crazy things as well. You don't label an entire denomination by what a few people say.

facts? the only fact I know is that God has already spoken about homosexuality. You choose to ignore it. Thats your problem.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#787 Dec 6, 2012
antiatheist wrote:
there are people in every denomination that say crazy things. I'm sure many lutherans say crazy things as well. You don't label an entire denomination by what a few people say.
facts? the only fact I know is that God has already spoken about homosexuality. You choose to ignore it. Thats your problem.
and you're mimicing them right along with your attitude. you're expecting me to give up and change my faith, my life and everything else just to fall in line with what amounts to your opinion. not facts. YOUR OPINION. in short, in order to make YOU happy, you want me to change.

not gonna happen. my faith is as devout as yours.

i've never and will never ask you nor demand that you change your opinion or your faith or your belief. you've asked for proof, or substantiation - after you've nixed the facts presented in other posts. and then you flat out refuse to do your own research, your own learning. i can't lead you to the water because if i did, you wouldn't believe it was water in the first place. you have to find your own path in order to believe the facts.

the only thing i expect is for you to respect my right to have my own belief and to leave it at that.

the only thing that needs changing are public secular laws that will allow gay people in this nation that are in committed long term relationships to protect their assets and their ability to make end of life decisions. there's no expectation or demand that you do anything or change anything about yourself. your approval is not expected, requested nor desired. you do not play into this scenario of anyone else's life or their decisions about their lives. just as their lives and their thoughts feelings or beliefs have no bearing upon your life. we all should be able to make our decisions about our own lives without interference from strangers.

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