Obama-Marriage Debate - Columbus, OH

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Are you with President Obama in supporting gay marriage?

Columbus is with Obama on gay marriage.
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Feb 11, 2013
 
Reality Speaks wrote:
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according to you and your ilk.
however God disagrees with you.
Fact check by reading the bible.
go ahead and tell me how smart you are to not believe the bible.
I will continue to shake my head at your abject ignorance; and pray for you.
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Feb 11, 2013
 
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Share how SSM would be a benefit overall to society.
I don't have to, lots of freedoms aren't for "benefit overall to society".
Why should we pass sweeping SSM laws, for what purpose?
Not passing laws, removing them. For the reason that they serve no legitimate government purpose.
If you say civil rights, does that mean that polygamist, and incestuous relations have a civil right to be married as well?
Yes, as long as it's among consenting adults.
And what purpose would polygamist, and incestuous marriage play in the role of benefiting our nation as a whole?
Nobody has to justify any action to you unless they are harming you or violating your superior rights.you get government approval to paint your house?

If you say that SSM should be allowed for the same financial gain that heterosexual couples enjoy.
Then what is the point of the institution of marriage to begin with, financial gain?
That's between the people getting married. There are many reasons people get married. If it were for some government purpose, marriage would be mandatory.
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Feb 11, 2013
 
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I don't have to, lots of freedoms aren't for "benefit overall to society".
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Not passing laws, removing them. For the reason that they serve no legitimate government purpose.
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Yes, as long as it's among consenting adults.
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Nobody has to justify any action to you unless they are harming you or violating your superior rights.you get government approval to paint your house?
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That's between the people getting married. There are many reasons people get married. If it were for some government purpose, marriage would be mandatory.
The topic is not freedom, homosexuals enjoy freedom.

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Feb 11, 2013
 
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The topic is not freedom, homosexuals enjoy freedom.
It certainly IS! They don't enjoy the freedom to marry each other.
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Feb 11, 2013
 
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Portray them (or not) any way you like, but unless you can prove they are harming you or violating your superior rights, you should have no say in what they do or don't do.
Transforming-Verb: To make a thorough or dramatic change in the form, appearance, or character of.

As one studies the homosexual movement in America. There is absolutely no doubt that the entire homosexual transformation is a complete and total facade.

And all designed to give the illusion of normalcy to the homosexual.

And every natural culture norm has been skewed, tweaked and distorted in an attempt to squeeze the homosexual into the American culture.

Homosexuals cannot have children, which means they cannot be considered a family.

Therefore every natural culture norm has been skewed, tweaked and distorted. In an attempt to make the homosexual into the American family as they adopt children. Or have a child created in an attempt to portray themselves as a family. Another attempt to transform them into American culture. But it is all just another facade.

All homosexual adoption is built upon the false premise that children are to be given to homosexuals based upon nothing more then the private purpose to obtain. Based upon the desire for that which one, because of the choices they have made forbids them children by a natural and Godly means!

All homosexual adoption is based upon the homosexuals desire to posses children for a private purpose rather then what is actually best for the child!

Homosexual adoption is nothing more then a slight of hand trick carried out via the state to shift the adoption of children from an essential purpose of society, to the inessential private purpose of the homosexual! As a means to complete their transformation into the American culture.

Homosexuals adopting, like a rainbow is an optical illusion. As a rainbow has no actual end point. And there is really no end point to homosexual adoption. Other then to complete the transformation of the homosexual into the American culture.

Homosexual marriage is also another created reality. And this to has has been skewed, tweaked and distorted in an attempt to squeeze the homosexual into the American culture. Another facade created to put a normal transformation face upon marriage, another natural culture norm.

A government definition of marriage between two homosexuals strikes against the beauty and virtue of what we know as healthy societal norms for all involved.

Homosexual marriage provides no strength, benefits, or usefulness to any future generation's.

At best, all homosexual marriage is self-serving providing nothing of benefit to society as a whole.

All civilizations have derived their stability and longevity since antiquity. Based solely upon the enduring truth that family has perpetuated itself and culture in a true, natural and Godly form.

In order for all natural civilizations to flourish and remain true, those civilizations must be supported via the natural family and not the individual, nor a government created definition of what a natural family is.

And the husband-wife still provide the best soil to produce all future, and virtuous children as all societal norms flourish and propagate themselves.

As societal norms are destroyed, societies are also destroyed from within.

And all attempts to transform sound norms into unsound norms. Will only weaken the nation that attempts to do such.

Right and proper conduct is necessary in order to sustain a civil and prospers society.

No nation can sip honey laced with poison and avoid emotional and moral sickness.

Much of the violence we see today is in reality, symptoms of a host of emotional and moral honey laced poison.

And the entire homosexual agenda has done much to confuse, distort and destroy good Godly norms that have served our nation well.

We have become a very very morally sick nation.

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Feb 11, 2013
 
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It certainly IS! They don't enjoy the freedom to marry each other.
And pedophiles do not enjoy the freedom to molest.
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Feb 11, 2013
 
godless by choice wrote:
a lot of clueless bigots here,,heres a question "how does it affect you?" if it doesn't stfu...its really that simple....
except it does affect us

the complete lack of morality has us killing millions of babies; and shootouts then suicide because it turned out not to be fun.

it is you that needs to stfu
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#605
Feb 11, 2013
 
Sodomy is not sex.

If this fact confuses you, read a dictionary.

Apparently many LGBTQ were asleep during HS biology class.

Sodomy and recreational drug use, behaviors typical of LGBTQ, are the primary behaviors responsible for the HIV/AIDS epidemic, and the rise of multi-drug resistant disease.

LGBTQ are well known advocates of abortion on demand, which is just another one of their perversions of sexual relations.

Granting a marriage license to LBGTQ is literally a license for licentiousness. Typical LGBTQ behaviors and disease treatment will be subsidised by Joe taxpayer if a marriage license is granted to the pervs.

LGBTQ are emboldened by the re-election of Obama, a bi-sexual Diversity fruitcake.

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Transforming-Verb: To make a thorough or dramatic change in the form, appearance, or character of.
As one studies the homosexual movement in America. There is absolutely no doubt that the entire homosexual transformation is a complete and total facade.
It doesn't matter why they want the right. It doesn't affect you in the least, so it's none of your damned business. Governments, and even people, are starting to realize that, and it's changing. You can't stop it.

Liberty means the liberty to do things that other people might not like. No matter what it is, if it doesn't hurt anybody else, it should not be restricted.

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except it does affect us
the complete lack of morality has us killing millions of babies; and shootouts then suicide because it turned out not to be fun.
it is you that needs to stfu
what does homosexuality have to do with abortions and school shootings?

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And pedophiles do not enjoy the freedom to molest.
Total straw man. What part of "consenting adult" is so difficult for you to understand?
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Feb 11, 2013
 
Homosexuals and all LGBTQ pervs invert the priorities of sex, making their pleasure and convenience a much higher priority over reproduction.

Because the LGBTQ perv inverts the priorities of sex, they necessarily elevate sodomy and abortion as cherished values over reproduction.

Abortion is the ultimate perverted sex related activity, destroying the natural fruit of sexual relations.

The leaders of abortion politics are LGBTQ for a reason; abortion is just another perverted sexual related activity in their busy schedule of promoting their cherished values of porn, and sodomy, and abortion and Diversity.

Sodomy is not sexual relations, but you wouldn't know that fact by listening to organized perv's doublespeak because pervs also pervert the original meaning of words too.
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Feb 12, 2013
 
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Total straw man. What part of "consenting adult" is so difficult for you to understand?
No doubt much of the arguments presented to the SCOTUS against SSM {Same Sex Marriage} will have many of the nuances concerning marriage and its benefits to society.

And in my own personal view of scripture and understanding of culture norms as a whole.

I believe if the SCOTUS legalizes SSM it will have a devastating impact upon all future generation's.

I believe it would eclipse Roe v Wade in terms of negative impact upon not only the U.S. but the entire world civilization.

And I am still left to consider Scriptures declarations concerning the last days. And the perversion that will come with those last days.

1st Timothy 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God has created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Could the SCOTUS abolish all marriage?

I dont know, I am still thinking about it within the scope of scripture.

Matthew 10:15 Truly I say to you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city.

It is interesting that Jesus references Sodom and Gomorrah in-light of the last days.

And we know that the homosexuals were responsible for the collapse and destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Will they actually bring this prophecy into concretion?

I dont know, I am just trying to understand this stuff.
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Total straw man. What part of "consenting adult" is so difficult for you to understand?
Tony Tony, "consenting adult" does not make it ok.

Adults consent to do a lot of things, that is no justification to engage in sexual perversion.

Adults consent to rob banks, that is no justification for robbing banks.

Your argument is moot!

Adults consent to a public orgy.

And moving an orgy to a private location does not change the fact that an orgy is corrupt behavior, like homosexuality.

What homosexuals do behind closed door does not make homosexuality ok.

People plan kidnappings behind closed doors, that does not make it ok.

Tony, back to the drawing board!
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what does homosexuality have to do with abortions and school shootings?
just another rot of morality in society

that is all....no biggie

we kill millions of unborn babies; and have people shooting up towns like in video games.

morality and appreciation of life is lost in the USA.

every single time we act politically correct, or pander to those who have laws against their behavior, we sink further into a pit that eventually will implode.

marriage is defined in every dictionary as a union between man and woman.

liberals want to change definitions everyday.
Che Reagan Christ

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just another rot of morality in society
that is all....no biggie
we kill millions of unborn babies; and have people shooting up towns like in video games.
morality and appreciation of life is lost in the USA.
every single time we act politically correct, or pander to those who have laws against their behavior, we sink further into a pit that eventually will implode.
marriage is defined in every dictionary as a union between man and woman.
liberals want to change definitions everyday.
Kind of like you have changed the definition of "Reality."
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Feb 12, 2013
 
A marriage license is public support.

The original basis of public marital support was the raising of children, a common goal of society.

Pervs are now attempting to refocus the original meaning of marriage from a institution for raising children into a club for adult hedonism.

The LGBTQ scheme to convert traditional marriage into a taxpayer-subsidized club for adult hedonism is just another in their long line of Diversity (victim cult) schemes.

It is beyond absurd to give a marriage license to people that promote abortion and sodomy and porn as a virtue.
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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Kind of like you have changed the definition of "Reality."
only to progressive chit bags like you.

who cares.....don't like it.....come get you some.
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Feb 12, 2013
 
I would like to go deeper into this idea of adoption and homosexuals adopting.

I feel there may be some misunderstanding concerning the true purpose of adoption.

Clearly the true purpose of adoption in not to provide any couple with children per,se. But rather provide children with the best possible environment to flourish in. Which naturally would have to be a male-female in the home.

There is no question that both a male-female provides the best soil for children to flourish.

The male-female because of the special attributes that God created within them are without question the most beneficial to the child's well being overall.

It is virtually impossible for two men or two women to meet all the complex needs of a child thru out its lifetime.

Study's have shown for example that young girls are less chaste when raised via same sex couples.

Studies have also shown more emotional and psychological problems within children raised via same sex couples.

Scripture will also bare this out.

There are literally hundreds of scripture giving instruction as to how the male-female-children relationship is to function.

But at the same time there is not one scripture that gives any information as to how a homosexual/lesbian/children are to function.

Why? Because God never considered them suitable for marriage and or child rearing.

Once again the best interest of the child must be put first, not political correctness!

And the state placing children with same sex couples and denying the child access to a male-female. Is nothing but state sanctioned child abuse.

Once again the adoption of children can never be based upon the inessential need of the homosexual/lesbian.

As the inessential homosexual/lesbian need is paid for by the essential need of children to enjoy the necessary benefits that the male-female provide as the child flourishes.

Once again I have not posted to be critical. But the truth must be told concerning homosexual/lesbian adoption.

Where would you place your child?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

At least I think we all know the honest answer to that question!

Homosexuals cannot have children, which means they cannot be considered a family.

Therefore every natural culture norm has been skewed, tweaked and distorted. In an attempt to make the homosexual into the American family as they adopt children. Or have a child created in an attempt to portray themselves as a family. Another attempt to transform them into American culture. But it is all just another facade.

All homosexual adoption is built upon the false premise that children are to be given to homosexuals based upon nothing more then the private purpose to obtain. Based upon the desire for that which one, because of the choices they have made forbids them children by a natural and Godly means!

All homosexual adoption is based upon the homosexuals desire to posses children for a private purpose rather then what is actually best for the child!

Homosexual adoption is nothing more then a slight of hand trick carried out via the state to shift the adoption of children from an essential purpose of society, to the inessential private purpose of the homosexual! As a means to complete their transformation into the American culture.

Homosexuals adopting, like a rainbow is an optical illusion. As a rainbow has no actual end point. And there is really no end point to homosexual adoption. Other then to complete the transformation of the homosexual into the American culture.
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Reality Speaks wrote:
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just another rot of morality in society
that is all....no biggie
we kill millions of unborn babies; and have people shooting up towns like in video games.
morality and appreciation of life is lost in the USA.
every single time we act politically correct, or pander to those who have laws against their behavior, we sink further into a pit that eventually will implode.
marriage is defined in every dictionary as a union between man and woman.
liberals want to change definitions everyday.
Why all the violence?

All societal norms continue to be skewed from the proliferation of homosexuality/lesbianism taught to school children, Polygamy, division within the home, out of wedlock births, mothers/fathers absent, children farmed out to homosexuals, no female role model, rampant welfare, gambling, lotto, alcohol, dope, reality TV, homosexual, lesbian, heterosexual domestic violence, unlimited access to the internet, homosexual pedophile priest, unlimited,unsupervised access to violent video imagery, a sense of discord/divisiveness within all culture, law enforce ridiculed, atheist frivolous law suits to remove culture norms, all Christian organizations under attack, gender selection abortions.

Attempting to redefine marriage which removes the purpose and benefits that heterosexual marriage provides to children and to a society, in an attempt to shift the essential needs of marriage and family to a culture, to the inessential needs of the single homosexual. These are just for starters as to why there is such violence. Blame the liberal adults!

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