Marijuana Debate - Puxico, MO

Discuss the national Marijuana debate in Puxico, MO.

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minister

Poplar Bluff, MO

#22 Jul 11, 2011
truth hurts wrote:
Those of you who get out in our little town need to smell the roses and open your eyes. I would venture a bet that at least 30% of our own 12 years and older in our school system do one or more of these undetectables. If you disbelieve, start inquirung with some of those that are out and about in our community. It is only a matter of time before we experience an overdose of one of our own and it WILL NOT BE DUE TO POT.
I would bet as the age increases so does the percentage. Drugs in Puxico are a problem with our kids and adults. I would venture to say of those thirty percent over half have parents that defend their recreational use of the non lethal drug. This is a highly contributing factor also.
taxpaying citizen 2 wrote:
, maybe oxycodone, or morophine (ms contin), if your working the dr. you might even get some xanax to go with the pain pills, hey must be ok to take those i mean after all, the pills will create loss of memory, confusion, physical addiction,kidney failure, loss of liver functions, the list is exhaustive. pot just made me hungry. any thoughts?
The misuse of prescription drugs does not bolster the case on either side. The effects of any drug on the body have to be weighted and considered. Another factor to consider is the support of mexican drug cartels, their human trafficking and slavery are supported by your pot dollar, if it is legalized here in the US that will only shore up the trade coming from Mexico. Dont get this confused with the industrial hemp j was selling from the river banks of the St francis that just made you hungry.

The medical value is highly debated, meth is a pain killer as is peyote but are they ethical to treat pain. If nothing else why have the stigma of having the lack of self respect being a drug user?

Since: Jul 11

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#23 Jul 11, 2011
minister wrote:
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I would bet as the age increases so does the percentage. Drugs in Puxico are a problem with our kids and adults. I would venture to say of those thirty percent over half have parents that defend their recreational use of the non lethal drug. This is a highly contributing factor also.
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The misuse of prescription drugs does not bolster the case on either side. The effects of any drug on the body have to be weighted and considered. Another factor to consider is the support of mexican drug cartels, their human trafficking and slavery are supported by your pot dollar, if it is legalized here in the US that will only shore up the trade coming from Mexico. Dont get this confused with the industrial hemp j was selling from the river banks of the St francis that just made you hungry.
The medical value is highly debated, meth is a pain killer as is peyote but are they ethical to treat pain. If nothing else why have the stigma of having the lack of self respect being a drug user?
you have refered to the furtherance of criminal enterprise by my pot dollar, did you read my post, i dont somke pot. but if your truley in enough pain you will be treated with methadone and this is an accepted and very common practice. now if you should be diagnosed with some sort of illness which could require chemo. you will be prescribed marinol, look that one up. you also say meth is a pain killer, where did you get that information? are you confused with cocaine? the medical value that is debated is MOSTLY because the government has not figured out how to regulate it. did you also know that all narcotic drugs are classified under 4 different schedules, 4 being the least likey to create addiction, 3 has a slightly higher potential for addiction and the pattern goes on consequetively with the risk being greater as you escalate now just to let you know marijuana is classified the same as herion, but in every state of the u.s. a police officer has the descretion to issue you a ticket at roadside for misd. possession of marijuana im willing to bet that wont happen if you have a pocket full of herion. ethics is a very subjective word. now you have some research to do, and i would love to debate this with you further. and as i said in the previous post i have had many drug tests in the last 3 or 4 decades, i didnt fail any of them, not because i utilized a diversion of some sort, it was because i dont use drugs, and im not suffering from a lack of self respect from being a drug user., please dont forget to look up marinol. oh yea, you mentioned legalization would shore up the mexican trade, if marijuana became legal tomorrow in the states, the price of marijuana GROWN in mexico would fall to rock bottom, the people that do smoke would turn down a bag of mexican pot every time versus the pot grown in the u.s.
minister

Saint Louis, MO

#24 Jul 12, 2011
As I have said I am not sure I agree with the classification of a class 1 narcotic when alcohol is legal.

please note some of what I said I was just making light of an unanswerable question. But my statement about legalization was true, if the mexican cartel pot sales drop it will just increase the distribution of other drugs or synthetics. We are seeing that now with meth slowly surpassing Cocaine as the big money export. Alot of the meth in stoddard county now is mexican import since the pressure to limit ephedrine and anhydrous in our area has increased.

Until people realize that the recreational checking out is ruining the quality of life for not only them but every one around them, whether it is pot, alcohol, meth, prescription drugs, or some other mind altering chemical, we will continue to digress as a people. legalizing a drug is not the solution look at what alcohol has done to people, for that matter check out what has happened in CO since they legalized med pot just a few years ago. As long as there is money to be made legal or not its abuse will be exploited. Some doctor will have an x wife he has to support<wink>

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#25 Jul 12, 2011
this is the kind of topic i like, and your the kind of person i like to debate, no radical content,non argumentative, no trying to impose your will on me, and smart enough to leave me enough rope with that lost post to hang myself. lol. you have made some very good points, and i cant respond to those points without putting some thought into it. look for me tomorrow, i will be back.
Puxico Resident

Saint Louis, MO

#26 Jul 27, 2011
peachman wrote:
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So is bacon
So is alot of other daily intakes
Class of 1979

United States

#27 Jul 29, 2011
Never heard of a person high on pot getting aggressive and fighting unlike alcohol. They just wan na veg out. However should be treated like alcohol and regulate who can use and purchase it
minister

Saint Louis, MO

#28 Jul 30, 2011
Class of 79, the studies that show that pot does not promote aggression was done in the forties to the sixties. Now we have a much greater understanding of how the brain functions, and we have found that pot does effect the limbic region of the brain in a greater capacity. This is the area that controls emotion. And while pot doesnt have the same aggression tendencies as alcohol, it does confuse and inhibit a person to possibly do more violent crime.
Besides in a study released in 99 it showed that frequent use does effect cognitive responce in individuals. In laymen's terms that means that yes a person that smokes is working towards being a burnout. Why do we insist on dumbing down? As I have said it is a drug that contributes to our digression as a people. But then again so is a paper bag and can of krylon, or canned air.
poor business

Vilonia, AR

#29 Aug 2, 2011
minister wrote:
Class of 79, the studies that show that pot does not promote aggression was done in the forties to the sixties. Now we have a much greater understanding of how the brain functions, and we have found that pot does effect the limbic region of the brain in a greater capacity. This is the area that controls emotion. And while pot doesnt have the same aggression tendencies as alcohol, it does confuse and inhibit a person to possibly do more violent crime.
Besides in a study released in 99 it showed that frequent use does effect cognitive responce in individuals. In laymen's terms that means that yes a person that smokes is working towards being a burnout. Why do we insist on dumbing down? As I have said it is a drug that contributes to our digression as a people. But then again so is a paper bag and can of krylon, or canned air.
Hello,I wanted to let you know I have smoked for 20 years,3-6 joints a night,every day of the year.For 15 years I was assistant manager for my grandfather's heavy equipment business/sanitation business.That meant getting jobs,mapping out what needed to be done as far as dirt work.That meant calculating equipment hours,man hours,fuel charges,and any other thing that may be needed.The sanitation business required me to locate clients houses,meet the owners,find their septic tank,make sure the workers could find the place,then do a follow up to make sure they we're pleased with the service.My grandfather was a damn good man but it's hard to work for family,and he made it very hard to work with out stress.Now i want you to explain how i did all that while being burnt out as you put it.Oh and go back and check most of your "FACTS" because most of them are as wrong as the ocean is deep.
minister

United States

#30 Aug 3, 2011
poor business wrote:
Now i want you to explain how i did all that while being burnt out as you put it.Oh and go back and check most of your "FACTS" because most of them are as wrong as the ocean is deep.
I stand by my facts, not all based on studies but a lot on personal experience. For 30 years I have managed personnel for large companies. And often there have been employees that have boasted about their habitual pot use and the perceived lack of effects on cognitive skills. Many have done jobs much like you have stated and some did them fairly well, but almost with out exception they lacked achieving their potential. Most were poor at best employees.

Job performance though is not a good gauge of ones cognitive skills, some jobs are so repetitive that even the very fringe of incompetence can perform them

From your comment I take it you do not do this work anymore, is that correct?
poor business

Vilonia, AR

#31 Aug 3, 2011
That is correct i do not do that kind of work anymore.My grandfather passed away and my mom,aunt,and uncle did not work there so they had no need or want to keep it going even after i said i would cut my own pay to keep the business going.You wanna know the messed up part they managed to spend what money he left me and my little brother.I now work for my grandfather's brother, managing another septic business for more money than when i took care of two business.Personal experiences are not considered facts.Research done in labs,studies written by doctors in that field of study,those are facts and they are being posted more and more everyday.Ok lets put it this way,there are alcoholics then there are people who go home and have a few to unwind and relax.Same with pot,you have "burnouts"then you have the guy who goes home sits down and smokes a couple to relax.It also helps (fact)slow down most cancer,gives people going through chemo or who have aids an appetite after their treatments.I get migraines all the time and it helps with that not to mention it helps with the stress.I started working in the ditch when i was 12,and made my way out to were i was 2nd in command so i would like to think i reached my full potential just to have it pulled out from under me,but i didn't give up and im making more so i guess im one of those "BURNOUTS" that slipped through the gap and was successful just like the multiple millions of burnouts in hollywood,congress,and the churche,and yes i do know church deacons that are smokers so there are plenty of people that see the light.Thank you and peace be with you.
citizen

United States

#32 Aug 6, 2011
weed is good i like weed we should all smoke it.
ughh

Wappapello, MO

#33 Aug 6, 2011
Sly wrote:
ohh come on now you can't buy weed with food stamps food stamps come on a debit card and I don't think dealers gonna hook to the gov terminal to pull funds sob that's funny stuff maybe you need to lay off the weed dude lmao
As retarded as you sound by that let me inform you how to sell food stamps you give someone else ur card and pin they give you cash for half of what they bought or three quarters depending on how u wanna sell ur food stamps. It happens think about it "lmao"
alter ego

Saint Louis, MO

#34 Aug 6, 2011
to"minister" you have a great handle on the affects of pot,but you missed one thing .when a person who has smoked for years suddenly runs out they are very unstable and getting stoned is the only thing they have on their mind.people say pot is not habit forming,that is bunk.just because you don't have physical effects, your mind does.it is a very destructive drug,simply because you don't have physical problems you certainly have mental ones.and this comes from someone who has first hand knowledge.
poor business

Vilonia, AR

#35 Aug 7, 2011
alter ego wrote:
to"minister" you have a great handle on the affects of pot,but you missed one thing .when a person who has smoked for years suddenly runs out they are very unstable and getting stoned is the only thing they have on their mind.people say pot is not habit forming,that is bunk.just because you don't have physical effects, your mind does.it is a very destructive drug,simply because you don't have physical problems you certainly have mental ones.and this comes from someone who has first hand knowledge.
I can stop and be just fine and so can alot of people.Nobody ever said it was not habit forming,it is not addictive.Anybody that posts on this subject really needs to do their research because as you can tell by the news it won't be long and we will get our way and it will come to light,how much good marijuana can do for the human race.Did you know they find something new every month that marijuana could help cure or slow down in humans.Com e on people you can't tell me if your loved one was sick and the only thing that would help was medical marijuana?It's not the 40's or 50's you won't go crazy if you smoke it the only reason it's illegal in the first place is money.Use your computer for researching this subject.I tell you what,go to 420magazine.com ,go to forums,go to today's posts and just read where medical marijuana is helping or read about the research that is being done,or read how we as a people are going to not stop until our will be done.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#36 Aug 13, 2011
everyone, 5 yrs ago heroin was not available in this area, st. louis was the closest to our region, now it is here in abundance, and i mean right here in reaching distance of town. synthetic powder and fake pot are hanging on the shelf of several business' racks, prescription medication diversion is completely out of control, ecstacy is available right here in small town usa also, and all you want to focus on is legalization of marijuana? i hope it is legalized before i wake in the morn., no more waste of time for the border narc. agents, they could now concentrate on the more serious drugs being smuggled. if you were to ask those agents and provided they told you the truth not a politically correct answer, they would like to have marijuana taken out of the enforcement equation also.
if you know anyone in the enforcement arena at the level to be involved with a seizure of a tractor trailor load of marijuana, ask them how hard it is to get someone from another agency interested in a controlled delivery of the trailer to the intended recipient, the answer may shock you.
gateway drug, im against the term, first because the public has been lied to about marijuana since media access has been around, i welcome to debate you on this if you like. second, your surroundings, type of drug prevelant to your environment, economical situation, and your very own desires have a huge influence as to which drug you try first.
if methadone is an exit drug to heroin, can marijuana not be considered an exit drug to, say methamphetamine? or maybe alcohol?
Mark from Bourbon

United States

#37 Aug 14, 2011
The words that the minister speaks or just that words,not any of them are backed by TODAYS studies,there are no real articles to support any thing he says, I suggest that he and any one that wants to know the real facts on this subject go to the Normal web site and find out the real thuth. And in conclusion the people that really what it to be legal get active, go to Show me cannabis in Missouri, only when we register to vote our voises will be heard ,get the real facts, get active spread the word we can do this SHOW ME MISSOURI .

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#38 Aug 14, 2011
could any or all who are against the research of marijuana and its possible contributions as a medication to aid in mental or physical wellness, please share your concerns, i just dont understand how you can be so resentful to something you have never be exposed to, or if you have it has been very limited, and mostly you reply from internet research, and lacking the literal knowledge one obtains by exposure, your opinion is misinformed. no drug creates the fundamental ills of society, if you want to find the source of the problems, dont test people for use of marijuana, test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and the love of power.

research into marijuana conducted by the betty ford center, places marijuana at number 15 of 20 total, regarding any kind of addictive properties,(number 1) being the most addictive.
june, 2011 the fda gave formal approval of research into the medicinal use of marijuana as a possible treatment for ptsd in the troops arriving home from the middle east, however the FDA cant conduct the study, as the material to be tested has to be furnished by the federal government, and they have decided they are not going to support the study by providing the sample material to the FDA.
attn. all fellow soldiers, now that the federal gov. has started to pull some troops back, the dreams you cant seem to at least make peace with,(if your lucky enough to be someone that sleeps), that burning fire in the pit of your stomach that has the ability to turn into a blow torch in seconds when you get scared or mad, that anti social behavior experienced because ya dont want to talk about anything with anyone that hasnt had sand in their boots, these are all things that will progressively worsen since you are now here and not in the danger close environment anymore, where you actually do therapy on each other, you just dont realize it until its gone. well the FDA authorized research into treating ptsd with some derivetative of marijuana, but the federal government refuses to supply another branch of the federal gov.(THE FDA) which is responsible for some research, and all approval or denial of new medication, the material necessary to facilitate the research.

looks like i have been protected from myself once again.
Guest

Saint Louis, MO

#39 Aug 14, 2011
It has definetly became bogged in the Fed B. I have been trying to locate a story I read a couple months ago about how the FDA had approved third level testing to a drug company, which 3rd is the final series of testing levels required before a drug is approved on the market. Wish I could find it, but it was stating that it will be legal in pill form before it will be in the raw. Guess it makes sense for a poor drug company to get the monoply on pot for my PTSD huh?

Taken from a drug research company website:

MAPS is currently seeking regulatory approval to conduct a study of smoked and/or vaporized marijuana for symptoms of PTSD in veterans of war.MAPS is currently the only organization working to demonstrate the safety and efficacy of botanical marijuana as a prescription medicine for specific medical uses to the satisfaction of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

MAPS' efforts to initiate medical marijuana research have been hindered by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) and the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) since its inception in 1986. NIDA's monopoly on the supply of marijuana for research and the DEA's refusal to allow researchers to grow their own has effectively paralyzed medical marijuana research, and for over ten years MAPS has been involved in legal struggles against the DEA to end this situation.

April 1, 2011

DEA Asks Administrator to Reject Judge’s Recommendation in Response to Final Brief.

On April 1, 2011, the DEA filed its response to the final brief in Professor Lyle Craker’s nearly decade-long lawsuit against the agency to end the federal government’s monopoly on the supply of marijuana for research. After (presumably) reviewing the final brief, agency officials asked DEA Administrator Michele Leonhart to reject DEA Administrative Law Judge Mary Ellen Bittner’s 2007 recommendation that Craker be allowed to start his own MAPS-sponsored medical marijuana production facility. We are now waiting for Leonhart to issue her final order, thus continuing to prevent the research from taking place. It may have been April Fool’s Day, but this is no joke, and the American public is not laughing.

August 5, 2011

On August 5, 2011, Prof. Craker’s lawyers filed their fifteenth update with the U.S. Court of Appeals, First Circuit.
poor business

Damascus, AR

#40 Aug 14, 2011
September 3, 2011 Missouri first annual hemp fest in Springfield.Lots of vendors and all kinds of different music.I think it's somewhere on facebook.
hull

Malden, MO

#41 Aug 21, 2011
it should be legal hell beer and whiskey is worse than pot how many people die from being high than driving instead of drinking and driving i mean hell that is why im in a wheelchair because my toux was 129 and i ran through a duplex if i was high i would have been doing 20mph instead of 50mph

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