Marijuana Debate - Lincolnton, NC

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Do you support the legalization of Marijuana?

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Morganton, NC

#21 Sep 11, 2010
You people keep talking about other medicines having other side effects, marijuan has to many to list. Over 500 or so side effects. What box of baking soda for nausea has that many side effects?
To the supporters

Morganton, NC

#22 Sep 11, 2010
PINEVILLE — Wyoming County’s prosecutor is warning students and parents about the potential danger of a product that mimics marijuana’s effects after at least two students who used it were hospitalized.
Prosecutor Rick Staton tells The Register-Herald his office was told that one student was unconscious for more than five hours.
The product known as K2 — or ‘‘Spice,’’ Genie’’ and ‘‘Zohai’’— is commonly sold in head shops as incense. The mixture of herbs and spices is sprayed with a synthetic compound chemically similar to THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana.
Staton urged businesses in the county to stop selling K2.
He says he can’t stop such sales. But he will prosecute cases ‘‘where businesses have crossed the line.’’
Read more: Logan Banner - Synthetic pot sickens 2 in WV prompts warning.
To the supporters

Morganton, NC

#23 Sep 11, 2010
[QUOTE who="53 YR.OLD"]YES Because IT IS NOT AS BAD AS ALCOHOL![/QUOTE]

Is that the only reason you support it?
Nah, marijuana effects the brain, not the liver like alcohol does.
By reading some of the post on here, I think some have already had their limit for the day they made their post.
To the supporters

Morganton, NC

#24 Sep 11, 2010
Kozzy wrote... "the healt benefits to to numerous to list."...

I already heard those two reasons before, but I want to hear all of the other ones "that are to to numerous to list".... Give me more, only 20 more is good enough.
By the way, the two you listed aren't going to change any minds at all. Go to the medicine aisle and you will see way more medications for those things than you can give me reasons I bet to make it legal.
cracking up

Morganton, NC

#25 Sep 11, 2010
ALL forms of marijuana ARE mind-altering. THIS MEANS they change how the brain works. THEY ALL contain THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol) . the main active chemical in marijuana. BUT, there are also 400 other chemicals in the marijuana plant.I don't care if you smoke it as a cigarette or in a pipe or a bong or the cigars (blunt-which are larger and, therefore, more dangerous! THC is strongly absorbed by fatty tissues in various organs. WHY do most kids use it? Because of parents and peers that use it. Some of the kids think it is cool to be like mom or dad, or some movie star on tv.
Just the short term effects is enough not to use it at all...short-term memory, problems learning, distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch), trouble thinking and problem solving, loss of coordination and increased heart rate, anxiety, panic attacks...and they are even greater if used with other drugs. I have enough mistakes I have made in my life without having to use marijuan to make them even bigger messes. Use it alot, see if you don't lose energy and lose interest in how you look and how you're getting along at school or work.( There is a strong link between drug use and unsafe sex even and the spread of HIV.
Still think I am uneducated? I have lots more on this subject...that was just the short-term effects. I can list the long time effects as well. Findings so far show that regular use of marijuana or THC MAY play a role in some kinds of cancer and in problems with respitatory, immune, and reproductive systems.(Just ask a few people I knew that are 6 feet under, before age 45!) It is hard to know for sure wheater regular marijuana use causes the cancer. BUT, it is known that marijuana smoke contains some of the same, and sometimes even more, of the cancer-causing chemicals as tobacco smoke. Studies show that someone who smokes 5 joints per week are taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day.
People who smoke marijuana tend to develop the same kind of breathing problems that cigarette smokes have. Frequent coughing, phlegm production, and wheezing, and they have more chest colds than non-users.
In Animal studies they found thta THC can damage the cells and tissues that help protect people from disease and the Immune Systems are lower.
Young men are having delayed puberty because of the THC effects on hormones. The women find the drug disturbs their monthly cycle.
HIGH on Marijuana..people seem dizzy and have trouble walking: seem silly and giggly for no reason: have very red, bloodshot eyes and have a hard time remembering things that just happened. After a few hours the effects can fade, but, the user may become very sleepy.(great symptoms to have while driving home from a party aye?)
Your Timing, coordination, alertness, and performance are all affected. Smoke it and let me see you stopon a dime. You cannot do it!
So as far as I see it, the "Uneducated" one, I say NO and it has never been proven to HELP any sickness at all!!!!! BY a medical doctor! Only the doctors that are actually smoking themselves THINK they are a medically proven use, just as you all that support it.The THC in a pill form is manufactured to be used for nausea and vomiting cancer treatment. I can not see why people cannot just hang the vomiting for a few hours, instead of putting all these harmful chemicals in the body that has MORE side effects than just vomiting. Sure they put chemo in me to CURE the cancer, not to keep me from vomiting. So why even try to say that chemo is worse than marijuana. That is more "UNeducated" than what I said...anyway. I am a lively, happy human being, educated or not, and I do not need any of this mess to live a happy normal life. I have seen many lives screwed up over using marijuana. I don't care to see even more of these lives ruined due to it just being a legal drug. It will still have the same effects, legal or illegal.(cracking up still says, JUST SAY NO!)
cracking up

Morganton, NC

#26 Sep 11, 2010
ALL forms of marijuana ARE mind-altering. THIS MEANS they change how the brain works. THEY ALL contain THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol) . the main active chemical in marijuana. BUT, there are also 400 other chemicals in the marijuana plant.I don't care if you smoke it as a cigarette or in a pipe or a bong or the cigars (blunt-which are larger and, therefore, more dangerous!) THC is strongly absorbed by fatty tissues in various organs. WHY do most kids use it? Because of parents and peers that use it. Some of the kids think it is cool to be like mom or dad, or some movie star on tv.
Just the short term effects is enough not to use it at all...short-term memory, problems learning, distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch), trouble thinking and problem solving, loss of coordination and increased heart rate, anxiety, panic attacks...and they are even greater if used with other drugs.
Still think I am uneducated? I can list the long time effects as well. Findings so far show that regular use of marijuana or THC play a role in some kinds of cancer and in problems with respitatory, immune, and reproductive systems. It is hard to know for sure wheather regular marijuana use causes the cancer. BUT, it is known that marijuana smoke contains some of the same, and sometimes even more, of the cancer-causing chemicals as tobacco smoke. Studies show that someone who smokes 5 joints per week are taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day.
People who smoke marijuana tend to develop the same kind of breathing problems that cigarette smokes have. Frequent coughing, phlegm production, and wheezing, and they have more chest colds than non-users.
In Animal studies they found that THC can damage the cells and tissues that help protect people from disease and the Immune Systems are lower.
Young men are having delayed puberty because of the THC effects on hormones. The women find the drug disturbs their monthly cycle.
Sign of users on Marijuana..people seem dizzy and have trouble walking: seem silly and giggly for no reason: have very red, bloodshot eyes and have a hard time remembering things that just happened. After a few hours the effects can fade, but, the user may become very sleepy.(great symptoms to have while driving home from a party aye?)
Your Timing, coordination, alertness, and performance are all affected.
So as far as I see it, this "Uneducated" non-supporter, I still say NO and it has never been proven to HELP any sickness at all!!!!! BY a medical doctor! The THC in a pill form is manufactured to be used for nausea and vomiting cancer treatment. I can not see why people cannot just hang the vomiting for a few hours, instead of putting all these harmful chemicals in the body that has MORE side effects than just vomiting, by using marijuana. Sure they put chemo in me to CURE the cancer, not to keep me from vomiting. So why even try to say that chemo is worse than marijuana. IT CURED ME, marijuana could have given me a different cancer, LUNG CANCER maybe. I am a lively, happy human being, educated or not, and I do not need any of this mess to live a happy normal life. I have seen many lives screwed up over using marijuana. I don't care to see even more of these lives ruined due to it just being a legal drug. It will still have the same effects, legal or illegal.
THC disrupts the nerve cells in the part of the brain where memories are formed making it hard for the user to recall recent events and so it is hard to learn while high. I found out at the age of 18 that life is to short to to forget any memories of it and I will never say yes to legalize it at all for I am totally against it. About 100,000+ people seek treatment for marijuana use each year, showing they need help to stop using it. That along shows it can be addictive. This is all I have to say about this since you all think I am to uneducated to post anything else. So for the record. I STILL SAY NO!

Since: Oct 09

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#27 Sep 12, 2010
To the supporters wrote:
Kozzy wrote... "the healt benefits to to numerous to list."...
I already heard those two reasons before, but I want to hear all of the other ones "that are to to numerous to list".... Give me more, only 20 more is good enough.
By the way, the two you listed aren't going to change any minds at all. Go to the medicine aisle and you will see way more medications for those things than you can give me reasons I bet to make it legal.
Well, you asked:
Alzheimer's disease:
Research done by the Scripps Research Institute in California shows that the active ingredient in marijuana, THC, prevents the formation of deposits in the brain associated with Alzheimer's disease. THC was found to prevent an enzyme called acetylcholinesterase from accelerating the formation of "Alzheimer plaques" in the brain more effectively than commercially marketed drugs. THC is also more effective at blocking clumps of protein that can inhibit memory and cognition in Alzheimer’s patients, as reported in Molecular Pharmaceutics.
Lung cancer and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease:
One of the more surprising research results from the last decade has been the finding that smoking cannabis does not increase the risk of developing lung cancer or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) among people who do not smoke tobacco, and may indeed confer a mildly protective effect. Beginning in 2001, multiple research teams began to report results showing that smoking cannabis does not, by itself, increase the risk of lung cancer, and this result is now well-established. Some of these research results follow below:
In 2006, Hashibe, Morgenstern, Cui, and Tashkin, et al. presented the results from a study involving 2,240 subjects that showed non-tobacco users who smoked marijuana did not exhibit an increased incidence of lung cancer or head-and-neck malignancies. These results were supported even among very long-term, very heavy users of marijuana.
Tashkin, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years, said, "It's possible that tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in marijuana smoke may encourage apoptosis, or programmed cell death, causing cells to die off before they have a chance to undergo malignant transformation". He further commented that "We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use. What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."
One of the principal constituents of cannabis, THC, has been found to reduce tumor growth in common lung cancer by 50 percent and to significantly reduce the ability of the cancer to spread, say researchers at Harvard University, who tested the chemical in both in vitro lab studies and in mouse studies. The researchers suggest that THC might be used in a targeted fashion to treat lung cancer.
Breast cancer:
According to a 2007 study at the California Pacific Medical Center Research Institute, cannabidiol (CBD) may stop breast cancer from spreading throughout the body. These researchers believe their discovery may provide a non-toxic alternative to chemotherapy while achieving the same results minus the painful and unpleasant side effects. The research team says that CBD works by blocking the activity of a gene called Id-1, which is believed to be responsible for a process called metastasis, which is the aggressive spread of cancer cells away from the original tumor site.

Since: Oct 09

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#28 Sep 12, 2010
....continued....

HIV/AIDS:
Investigators at Columbia University published clinical trial data in 2007 showing that HIV/AIDS patients who inhaled cannabis four times daily experienced substantial increases in food intake with little evidence of discomfort and no impairment of cognitive performance. They concluded that smoked marijuana has a clear medical benefit in HIV-positive patients. In another study in 2008, researchers at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine found that marijuana significantly reduces HIV-related neuropathic pain when added to a patient's already-prescribed pain management regimen and may be an "effective option for pain relief" in those whose pain is not controlled with current medications. Mood disturbance, physical disability, and quality of life all improved significantly during study treatment. Despite management with opioids and other pain modifying therapies, neuropathic pain continues to reduce the quality of life and daily functioning in HIV-infected individuals. Cannabinoid receptors in the central and peripheral nervous systems have been shown to modulate pain perception. No serious adverse effects were reported, according to the study published by the American Academy of Neurology.

Opioid dependence:
Injections of THC eliminate dependence on opiates in stressed rats, according to a research team at the Laboratory for Physiopathology of Diseases of the Central Nervous System (France) in the journal Neuropsychopharmacology. Deprived of their mothers at birth, rats become hypersensitive to the rewarding effect of morphine and heroin (substances belonging to the opiate family), and rapidly become dependent. When these rats were administered THC, they no longer developed typical morphine-dependent behavior. In the striatum, a region of the brain involved in drug dependence, the production of endogenous enkephalins was restored under THC, whereas it diminished in rats stressed from birth which had not received THC. Researchers believe the findings could lead to therapeutic alternatives to existing substitution treatments.
In humans, drug treatment subjects who use cannabis intermittently are found to be more likely to adhere to treatment for opioid dependence. Historically, similar findings were reported by Clendinning, who in 1843 utilized cannabis substitution for the treatment of alcoholism and opium addiction and Birch, in 1889, who reported success in treating opiate and chloral addiction with cannabis.

Spasticity in multiple sclerosis:
A review of six randomized controlled trials of a combination of THC and CBD extracts for the treatment of MS related muscle spasticity reported, "Although there was variation in the outcome measures reported in these studies, a trend of reduced spasticity in treated patients was noted." The authors postulated that "cannabinoids may provide neuroprotective and anti-inflammatory benefits in MS."

Medicinal compounds:
Cannabis contains over 300 compounds. At least 66 of these are cannabinoids, which are the basis for medical and scientific use of cannabis. This presents the research problem of isolating the effect of specific compounds and taking account of the interaction of these compounds. Cannabinoids can serve as appetite stimulants, antiemetics, antispasmodics, and have some analgesic effects. Five important cannabinoids found in the cannabis plant are tetrahydrocannabinol, cannabidiol, cannabinol, β-caryophyllene, and cannabigerol.

http://mct.aacrjournals.org/content/6/11/2921...
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/reprint/180/8/814.pdf
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/123/3...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...

Now that isn't 20...but it is NUMEROUS....as I said earlier.

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#29 Sep 12, 2010
To the supporters wrote:
Kozzy wrote... "the healt benefits to to numerous to list."...
I already heard those two reasons before, but I want to hear all of the other ones "that are to to numerous to list".... Give me more, only 20 more is good enough.
By the way, the two you listed aren't going to change any minds at all. Go to the medicine aisle and you will see way more medications for those things than you can give me reasons I bet to make it legal.
Really...ever read the ingredient list and side effects of those meds?

Benefits of MJ....

Alzheimer's disease:
Research done by the Scripps Research Institute in California shows that the active ingredient in marijuana, THC, prevents the formation of deposits in the brain associated with Alzheimer's disease.
Lung cancer and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease:
One of the more surprising research results from the last decade has been the finding that smoking cannabis does not increase the risk of developing lung cancer or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) among people who do not smoke tobacco, and may indeed confer a mildly protective effect.
Breast cancer:
According to a 2007 study at the California Pacific Medical Center Research Institute, cannabidiol (CBD) may stop breast cancer from spreading throughout the body. These researchers believe their discovery may provide a non-toxic alternative to chemotherapy while achieving the same results minus the painful and unpleasant side effects. The research team says that CBD works by blocking the activity of a gene called Id-1, which is believed to be responsible for a process called metastasis, which is the aggressive spread of cancer cells away from the original tumor site.
HIV/AIDS:
Investigators at Columbia University published clinical trial data in 2007 showing that HIV/AIDS patients who inhaled cannabis four times daily experienced substantial increases in food intake with little evidence of discomfort and no impairment of cognitive performance. They concluded that smoked marijuana has a clear medical benefit in HIV-positive patients. In another study in 2008, researchers at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine found that marijuana significantly reduces HIV-related neuropathic pain when added to a patient's already-prescribed pain management regimen and may be an "effective option for pain relief" in those whose pain is not controlled with current medications. Mood disturbance, physical disability, and quality of life all improved significantly during study treatment.
Brain cancer:
A study by Complutense University of Madrid found the chemicals in marijuana promotes the death of brain cancer cells by essentially helping them feed upon themselves in a process called autophagy. The research team discovered that cannabinoids such as THC had anticancer effects in mice with human brain cancer cells and in people with brain tumors. When mice with the human brain cancer cells received the THC, the tumor shrank.
Opioid dependence:
Injections of THC eliminate dependence on opiates in stressed rats, according to a research team at the Laboratory for Physiopathology of Diseases of the Central Nervous System (France) in the journal Neuropsychopharmacology.
Spasticity in multiple sclerosis:
A review of six randomized controlled trials of a combination of THC and CBD extracts for the treatment of MS related muscle spasticity reported, "Although there was variation in the outcome measures reported in these studies, a trend of reduced spasticity in treated patients was noted." The authors postulated that "cannabinoids may provide neuroprotective and anti-inflammatory benefits in MS."

...may not be 20...but it is numerous, as I quoted...
cousin it

Denver, NC

#30 Sep 12, 2010
its all about freedom
Mary Jane

United States

#31 Sep 12, 2010
It was only outlawed because the timber industry was afraid of it producing six times as much paper as growing trees. It was legal for how many years? Why not make it legal again. It is safer than alcohol or tobacco.
Dr Henry Funderburk

Marshville, NC

#32 Sep 12, 2010
I am educated and very familiar with both the benefits and dangers of the use and misuse of Cannabis.

MOST OF THE WRITERS here paint a rosy picture making such inane remarks as "it's better than alcohol" or "it helps my pain". Both alcohol and marijuana can be detrimental to health and well being. The use of marijuana is only occasionally helpful for pain and wears off quickly when it does help. It does relax most people but there are much quicker, longer lasting and less dangerous relaxers available.

THC (One of over 400 chemicals in Marijuana smoke) directly effects brain function. The short-term effects of marijuana that have been studied and documented include PROBLEMS with memory and learning, distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch), trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor coordination, increased heart rate, and anxiety.These effects are even greater when other drugs are mixed with weed. A user may also experience dry mouth and throat. Users tend be be lackadaisical and seldom complete tasks above a functionary level. They often complain of hunger and some become anxious and irritable.

What are some of the long-term effects of regular inhalation of marijuana smoke? Marijuana smoke contains some of the same CANCER-CAUSING compounds as tobacco, sometimes in higher concentrations. Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per week may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day. Researchers at Johns Hopkins Medical University have documented cases of long term regular users of Cannabis who are unable to achieve an erection.
george

United States

#33 Sep 13, 2010
ain't nothin' but a bunch of stoners on here anyways. Who else has all day to be on here bitchin'. Working people has to work to pay their bills and to pay taxes to keep up these deadbeats kids too. We need tougher laws on pot not weaker ones and they need to be enforced to the max.
Raid

Denver, NC

#34 Sep 13, 2010
Looked at a couple of the links given above and found the following:

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/reprint/180/8/814.pdf

Conclusion
Our findings have implications for policy and research. Antismoking campaigns should include a reduction in marijuana use among their goals, aiming especially at those who regularly use both marijuana and tobacco.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

Tashkin who performed the study said that he still believes marijuana is potentially harmful.

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#35 Sep 14, 2010
george wrote:
ain't nothin' but a bunch of stoners on here anyways. Who else has all day to be on here bitchin'. Working people has to work to pay their bills and to pay taxes to keep up these deadbeats kids too. We need tougher laws on pot not weaker ones and they need to be enforced to the max.
Nope...wrong...business OWNER here...people work FOR ME.
It's not just about legalizing the stuff for enjoyment...if you bothered to read all the medical studies above....they totally contradict the opponents statements.
Educate yourself before you make comments.
My Dog For Sheriff

Lincolnton, NC

#36 Sep 14, 2010
To the supporters wrote:
Kozzy wrote... "the healt benefits to to numerous to list."...
I already heard those two reasons before, but I want to hear all of the other ones "that are to to numerous to list".... Give me more, only 20 more is good enough.
By the way, the two you listed aren't going to change any minds at all. Go to the medicine aisle and you will see way more medications for those things than you can give me reasons I bet to make it legal.
I think the woman has a point. There are a lot of studies done on the benefits. I am more scared of what they put in the man made meds. Remember, man invented cigarettes. How many of these so called "safer" MEDS are later going to cause you problems. Read the possible side effect/reaction list on those labels.
How many lawsuits are ongoing right now because of damages these meds have caused?
HENDERSON

Iron Station, NC

#37 Sep 15, 2010
it safe then drug from DR.
NO WAY

Terrell, NC

#38 Sep 15, 2010
I see what it CAN do to people every day! I say NO WAY to legalize it !!!!

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#39 Sep 16, 2010
NO WAY wrote:
I see what it CAN do to people every day! I say NO WAY to legalize it !!!!
I seriously doubt you have any evidence of harmful effects....you would have to do a controlled study of people who are ONLY on MJ...which is rarely the case when you see someone experiencing problems. Most times the person is under the influence of something in addition to the MJ.
Raid

Greenville, SC

#40 Sep 16, 2010
Have you done a controlled study of MJ? The links you provided had issues with it.

Looked at a couple of the links given above and found the following:

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/reprint/180/8/814.pdf

Conclusion
Our findings have implications for policy and research. Antismoking campaigns should include a reduction in marijuana use among their goals, aiming especially at those who regularly use both marijuana and tobacco.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ ...

Tashkin who performed the study said that he still believes marijuana is potentially harmful.

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