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“some...you just can't reach”

Since: Jun 08

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#294 Feb 7, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Legal to posess but not to use unless a lot of other laws are dropped concerning legal liabilities of stoners. Then the people who committed crimes while it was illegal will still be in prison until a case by case evaluation all the way to the Supreme Court. We may never see it in our lifetime.
oh...we will...the "old guard" who bought into the lies that were told to make it illegal are being replaced by newer generations....prohibition never works and only CREATES a black market that feeds criminals...you may not like it..but it will see full legality again....tests and all....just a matter of time.

sad really considering the industrial and job creating potential by just making the hemp plant (no drug affect) legal again...there is a potential billions of dollars industry off of the hemp plant alone...let alone the tax revenue potential off of the mj plant....just a matter of getting the "dinosaurs" to see past the lies they believe.

lying about it is bad anyway...you keep lying about it (mj) being so dangerous....when a teen tries it and see's it is not dangerous...they start thinking..."well, they said this was dangerous....i wonder how much they lied about other drugs"..."let's try them too"....
ThomasA

Gadsden, AL

#295 Feb 7, 2012
chuck69 wrote:
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oh...we will...the "old guard" who bought into the lies that were told to make it illegal are being replaced by newer generations....prohibition never works and only CREATES a black market that feeds criminals...you may not like it..but it will see full legality again....tests and all....just a matter of time.
sad really considering the industrial and job creating potential by just making the hemp plant (no drug affect) legal again...there is a potential billions of dollars industry off of the hemp plant alone...let alone the tax revenue potential off of the mj plant....just a matter of getting the "dinosaurs" to see past the lies they believe.
lying about it is bad anyway...you keep lying about it (mj) being so dangerous....when a teen tries it and see's it is not dangerous...they start thinking..."well, they said this was dangerous....i wonder how much they lied about other drugs"..."let's try them too"....
Your stumbling block will be the lack of a test that shows the content of MJ in the system at the very moment of an incident similar to the B.A.T.. Without a 100% accurate test that would stand up in court, just being positive in a "drug free workzone" will get you fired and put the liability argument back on the parties involed and not the company where it happened. There is no magic wand to erase the legal ramifications of MJ use. The stoners could celebrate until another stoner causes a situation or injury in public, in a traffic accident,or in the workplace to you,your child,or a family member. Then you will just have to accept the fact that they were doing their thing and sh&% happens. After you get out of the hospital,you can get with the offending party and fire off a few torpedos and work out the details of who's going to pay your bills and feed your family.
country girl

Charleston, WV

#296 Feb 8, 2012
turfdog wrote:
It is obvious that that law enforcement can not stop the suppliers or users. Government might as well legalize it and tax it just like they do alcohol.
agreed

“some...you just can't reach”

Since: Jun 08

others...you don't want to

#297 Feb 8, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Your stumbling block will be the lack of a test that shows the content of MJ in the system at the very moment of an incident similar to the B.A.T.. Without a 100% accurate test that would stand up in court, just being positive in a "drug free workzone" will get you fired and put the liability argument back on the parties involed and not the company where it happened. There is no magic wand to erase the legal ramifications of MJ use. The stoners could celebrate until another stoner causes a situation or injury in public, in a traffic accident,or in the workplace to you,your child,or a family member. Then you will just have to accept the fact that they were doing their thing and sh&% happens. After you get out of the hospital,you can get with the offending party and fire off a few torpedos and work out the details of who's going to pay your bills and feed your family.
when the laws change...so to shall the tests....the tests are already being made...and some already are in place...it tells the exact nanogram level and from that they can see how long ago someone "lit up".....it is only a matter of time at this point....it is going to happen
Bruce

United States

#298 Feb 8, 2012
Tax it legally - that would make chicago a "booming city" again.. there is so much to be made if government taxes it, rather than putting the money in drug dealers pockets.! California is making BILLIONS by taxing it, and the states who neighbor are getting very jealous. It will become legal in the midwest- its just a matter of when governments will wise up..

“some...you just can't reach”

Since: Jun 08

others...you don't want to

#299 Feb 8, 2012
Bruce wrote:
Tax it legally - that would make chicago a "booming city" again.. there is so much to be made if government taxes it, rather than putting the money in drug dealers pockets.! California is making BILLIONS by taxing it, and the states who neighbor are getting very jealous. It will become legal in the midwest- its just a matter of when governments will wise up..
unfortunately there are still too many people with their head up their ass who still believe the lies of yesteryear and get hung up on what will happen to insurance rates......nevermind that a lot of changes will be necessary....as some point out...

but they found a way to "soldier on" after alcohol prohibition...i am sure we will find a way to make it now.....more money can be made for the greater good by legalization, rather than making ordinary folks into criminals....

not to mention the hemp industry that could be formed.....even billions more there and jobs that would be created....but no...lets get hung up on drug tests and insurance premiums rather than try and save our country
ThomasA

Gadsden, AL

#300 Feb 9, 2012
chuck69 wrote:
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when the laws change...so to shall the tests....the tests are already being made...and some already are in place...it tells the exact nanogram level and from that they can see how long ago someone "lit up".....it is only a matter of time at this point....it is going to happen
Your magic test machine must be hidden away with the carburator that get 100 miles to a gallon. Remember that old rumor? If there was such a field test out there that would be 100% accurate and admissable in court, it would be everywhere. Do you happen to know the name of the company that has this item? My company will remain drug free and zero tollerance. You know the rules. The rules are in writing. You break the rules and you are fired. What's so hard to understand about that? There is not room for two sets of rules for normal people and stoners.

Since: Jan 11

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#301 Feb 9, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text> Your magic test machine must be hidden away with the carburator that get 100 miles to a gallon. Remember that old rumor? If there was such a field test out there that would be 100% accurate and admissable in court, it would be everywhere. Do you happen to know the name of the company that has this item? My company will remain drug free and zero tollerance. You know the rules. The rules are in writing. You break the rules and you are fired. What's so hard to understand about that? There is not room for two sets of rules for normal people and stoners.
but there's 2 sets of rules for normal people and drunks...when the laws change, so will your nanny rules...

“some...you just can't reach”

Since: Jun 08

others...you don't want to

#302 Feb 9, 2012
guitarman16226 wrote:
<quoted text>but there's 2 sets of rules for normal people and drunks...when the laws change, so will your nanny rules...
he is one of those "head up ass" folks i mentioned....even if the rules changed...he would still stick to the antiquated ideals just to prove a point to no one.....what he doesn't realize.....he already has stoners working for him....they are everywhere...in all walks of life, every profession, etc... tests are easy to pass...

i can not speak for all who imbibe....but i treat it like those that treat alcohol responsibly (don't drink btw)...NEVER before or during work....i wait til i get home after work....i just don't feel i should be penalized for something i did on my own time, when their test only proves i did sometime within the last thirty days....

he fails to realize that it WILL happen....whether he likes it or not...it is only a matter of time now....
ThomasA

Gadsden, AL

#304 Feb 9, 2012
chuck69 wrote:
<quoted text>
he is one of those "head up ass" folks i mentioned....even if the rules changed...he would still stick to the antiquated ideals just to prove a point to no one.....what he doesn't realize.....he already has stoners working for him....they are everywhere...in all walks of life, every profession, etc... tests are easy to pass...
i can not speak for all who imbibe....but i treat it like those that treat alcohol responsibly (don't drink btw)...NEVER before or during work....i wait til i get home after work....i just don't feel i should be penalized for something i did on my own time, when their test only proves i did sometime within the last thirty days....
he fails to realize that it WILL happen....whether he likes it or not...it is only a matter of time now....
Tests were easy to pass when you went to the lab on your own and were able to take a blocker BUT the blocker shows up on a test and put the person on a re-test schedule and that's when they get caught. Now when number comes up, you get in the van and go right then and get it over with. Companies are not going to tollerate stoners operating machinery, lift trucks,company vehicles, or just being on the premises under the influence because of liability and insurance issues whether you hurt someone or you're the one that gets hurt. If laws change for use, laws will have to change for liability issues. Our government has dumped mounds of red tape and safety issues on American businesses and it will be a ling time coming to repeal those rules.
ThomasA

Gadsden, AL

#305 Feb 9, 2012
chuck69 wrote:
<quoted text>
when the laws change...so to shall the tests....the tests are already being made...and some already are in place...it tells the exact nanogram level and from that they can see how long ago someone "lit up".....it is only a matter of time at this point....it is going to happen
You never did state what company is making the magic machine . If it's out there, why doesn't the police and testing labs that I talked to not know anything about it? Good idea yes, but where is it?

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#306 Feb 10, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>You never did state what company is making the magic machine . If it's out there, why doesn't the police and testing labs that I talked to not know anything about it? Good idea yes, but where is it?
just ask local law enforcement, they now have tests to determine if you're actually high...look it up!
ThomasA

Gadsden, AL

#307 Feb 10, 2012
guitarman16226 wrote:
<quoted text>just ask local law enforcement, they now have tests to determine if you're actually high...look it up!
There will have to field tests to determine CONTENT as a BAT does, not just yes/no. They have that now. The BAT is 24/7. The portable MJ test to do that is still on Santa's wish list and whoever gets the patent will do well.
Girl on the Moon

United States

#308 Feb 10, 2012
Dude, I think this whole town is high!

“some...you just can't reach”

Since: Jun 08

others...you don't want to

#309 Feb 10, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Tests were easy to pass when you went to the lab on your own and were able to take a blocker BUT the blocker shows up on a test and put the person on a re-test schedule and that's when they get caught. Now when number comes up, you get in the van and go right then and get it over with. Companies are not going to tollerate stoners operating machinery, lift trucks,company vehicles, or just being on the premises under the influence because of liability and insurance issues whether you hurt someone or you're the one that gets hurt. If laws change for use, laws will have to change for liability issues. Our government has dumped mounds of red tape and safety issues on American businesses and it will be a ling time coming to repeal those rules.
and every time the test changes to detect 'blockers"...the boys in the lab come out with another "blocker" that gets past the new test....do you not even realize it has nothing to do with them actually caring about people getting high, more so than it is a cash cow all around?....

the govt declared the "war on drugs"....this gets the taxpayers that were brainwashed into believing marijuana is as bad as the "big boys".....to jingle the coin to fight this "war"...

then when they catch someone, it isn't even about putting them in jail, or doling out probation...they get more taxpayers cash for the beds in the prison for the "big weight" offenders....and on the probation end they get money from the offender.....jingle more coin

funny thing is...(at least on the probation end)...if you "lump sum" the payment to the probation officer....you are done on probation for misdemeanor possession (personal stash)...jingle more coin

but the saddest part is....they don't even HAVE to legalize the marijuana plant even though the tax revenue from that would dwarf the money used on the "war on drugs"....just let the hemp plant (no drug effect) be legal again....there is a billions upon billions of dollars industry there just ripe for the picking...not to mention the employment that would be generated from this industry.....

we currently have to import and pay unnecessary high tariffs, for products we could be making here....and this country uses hundreds of millions of dollars worth of hemp-based products every year......money WE could be making.....even more could be made if it were made domestically to cut tariff costs and import fees...

in a way i feel sorry for you......but that will pass next time i light up...which will be AFTER i get home from work...in the privacy of my own home.....unlike drinkers who have a couple at lunch...then get tanked up on the way home....and drive drunk...

“some...you just can't reach”

Since: Jun 08

others...you don't want to

#310 Feb 10, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Tests were easy to pass when you went to the lab on your own and were able to take a blocker BUT the blocker shows up on a test and put the person on a re-test schedule and that's when they get caught. Now when number comes up, you get in the van and go right then and get it over with. Companies are not going to tollerate stoners operating machinery, lift trucks,company vehicles, or just being on the premises under the influence because of liability and insurance issues whether you hurt someone or you're the one that gets hurt. If laws change for use, laws will have to change for liability issues. Our government has dumped mounds of red tape and safety issues on American businesses and it will be a ling time coming to repeal those rules.
and i DO agree with you that no one should be under the influence of ANYTHING while at work, operating machinery, driving company owned OR personal vehicles....it should be a recreational thing like alcohol should be as well....you keep missing that i agree with you on this aspect....

just because the test says that withing the last month, you definitely smoked...doesn't mean you did it before or during work time...those test i spoke of that tell nano-gram content are currently in place in some California municipalities that allow medical marijuana, so they can tell if folks are driving while under influence of their prescribed medication,
(which NO ONE should be doing, not matter what prescription they take that could impair your ability to drive safely).

feel free to look them up...i COULD cite it all for you...but you would only believe it if you found it on your own anyways...as you would probably come back with "pro marijuana site,...of course it will say what you said"....(something to that effect)...had I provided site for you....

i do understand where you are coming from, from an employer standpoint....i just hope that when the time comes (and i DO AGREE it will be a long time off)...that you are a reasonable enough person to "change with the times" if the laws all change to suit your worries over insurance legalities and testing procedures....

lighten up man....i understand that there are irresponsible individuals that use before, or during work.... just like some drinkers do too..i DO NOT believe this is the right way to be..

there are also those that are capable of using responsibly, after work...in the privacy of their own home...just like some drinkers do too...i DO believe this is the right way to be..

good day to you sir
ThomasA

Gadsden, AL

#311 Feb 10, 2012
chuck69 wrote:
<quoted text>

there are also those that are capable of using responsibly, after work...in the privacy of their own home...just like some drinkers do too...i DO believe this is the right way to be..
good day to you sir
Good point. Yes some people can limit their intake, but what about those who are in the workplace and see fit to come in or go out at lunch and get totally wasted. They are the ones that bring attention to everyone else and keep the requirements for random testing. How would you handle a situation where a stoner injures someone or himself on the job? What responsibility would the employer have for those involved? What happens when the insurance companies refuse to write policies for companies that allow use ? Not trying to keep an argument going but there are difficult details that will have to be worked out before total legalization for USE, not just simple POSSESSION.

“some...you just can't reach”

Since: Jun 08

others...you don't want to

#312 Feb 10, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text> Good point. Yes some people can limit their intake, but what about those who are in the workplace and see fit to come in or go out at lunch and get totally wasted. They are the ones that bring attention to everyone else and keep the requirements for random testing. How would you handle a situation where a stoner injures someone or himself on the job? What responsibility would the employer have for those involved? What happens when the insurance companies refuse to write policies for companies that allow use ? Not trying to keep an argument going but there are difficult details that will have to be worked out before total legalization for USE, not just simple POSSESSION.
possession is indicative of use, lol

treat them no differently than how you treat those that sneak out back to swill a beer, or get tanked up a lunch...then when an accident happens and they were proven to be under the influence at the time of said accident (drunk or stoned)....the way to handle it is already there, drunks who get into the accident bear the responsibility at that point....so the same could be said for the "stoner"...and i agree "hammering" out the details will be lengthy...

by all means...if someone can not be responsible enough to limit themselves....terminate them for it....can't handle your pot...go elsewhere

no different then how they handle someone showing up at work drunk...can't control your drinking...bye

it would be the same way you treat those that are coming to work drunk...the punishment for coming to work drunk or stoned could simply be called "under the influence" at that point...

the present employment screenings do not properly reflect how the responsible ones are using....so testing on a nano-gram level (similar to breathalyzer) accurately reflects "level of influence" at that moment (like breathalyzer)....the test is there...and that could easily transfer over to employers checking employees after accidents....

just things to consider when legalization takes place.....i never said it was happening tomorrow...but we will see it .....all the "tools" are there...it's just a matter of getting the "mechanics" to see them and put them together....

not trying to keep it going either...lol
ThomasA

Gadsden, AL

#313 Feb 11, 2012
chuck69 wrote:
<quoted text>
possession is indicative of use, lol
treat them no differently than how you treat those that sneak out back to swill a beer, or get tanked up a lunch...then when an accident happens and they were proven to be under the influence at the time of said accident (drunk or stoned)....the way to handle it is already there, drunks who get into the accident bear the responsibility at that point....so the same could be said for the "stoner"...and i agree "hammering" out the details will be lengthy...
by all means...if someone can not be responsible enough to limit themselves....terminate them for it....can't handle your pot...go elsewhere
no different then how they handle someone showing up at work drunk...can't control your drinking...bye
it would be the same way you treat those that are coming to work drunk...the punishment for coming to work drunk or stoned could simply be called "under the influence" at that point...
the present employment screenings do not properly reflect how the responsible ones are using....so testing on a nano-gram level (similar to breathalyzer) accurately reflects "level of influence" at that moment (like breathalyzer)....the test is there...and that could easily transfer over to employers checking employees after accidents....
Under current rules, employees hurt on the job have no choice but to report to either the local emergency room or an occupational medical office. The first order of business is drug testing. It is not done by the employer. From that point your are suspended from work until the doctor says you are cleared to return. If you fail the drug test you're either fired or sent to rehab without pay if your company has that option in their policy. Your workman's comp company and the doctor has full sayso in when that person may or ever will come back to work. Repeated offences will raise your premiums to keep these people on board so one of the items to be worked out is whether or not the government wants to get in the insurance business for companies who have been outpriced. At that point ,the feds could require ALL companies large or small to be covered and make mandantory payments along with payroll taxes. If your field test were really available, why hasn't the rest of the world heard about it other than the yes/no test used today or the same test they give you at your pre-employment physical?
ThomasA

Gadsden, AL

#314 Feb 11, 2012
Something else that will have to dealt with under legalization is what to do with those who sit in jails and prisons that committed felony drug crimes and were sentenced under the laws of the land in effect at that time. Will the penal system be asked to open the doors and let these people walk the streets in your neighborhood again? With a prison record following them, their logical move would be back into a business they knew well. Just something to ponder.

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