Marijuana Debate - Antioch, IL

Discuss the national Marijuana debate in Antioch, IL.

Do you support the legalization of Marijuana?

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WOW

Chicago, IL

#21 Sep 17, 2010
@ Mystery Man

Pot is not always a gateway drug, and it's no worse than winding down with a few glasses of wine or another cocktail.

While I don't smoke anymore (personal choice), I spent plenty of years smoking a doobie at night to relax before bed. I am the parent of two straight A kids, married long term, have a professional career and earn over $100k annually. I volunteer frequently, and am a productive member of society. I am happy with what I see when I look in the mirror. I was a recreational pot smoker for over 20 years. I don't drink - don't like the way it makes me feel. I've never felt the need to try "harder" drugs.

Don't over-generalize. I've got plenty of friends who are just like me. Just as there are social drinkers vs alcoholics, there are recreational pot smokers vs drug addicts. Why should I be treated any differently that a social drinker?
Mystery Man

Naperville, IL

#22 Sep 17, 2010
Why should I be treated any differently that a social drinker?

You should because bottom line is its still illegal.
I'm glad you lead a great life.
Not many can really say they are that happy in life.
But that isn't an excuse to commit a crime.
People embezzle money from their place of work. Is that ok if they have a good life too ?

I didn't say MJ is a gateway drug, although it is.
What i had said was most people caught with MJ also have other drugs on them.
And you don't see druggies with a bottle of Jim Beam in their back pocket when they get pulled over.

And you go to jail a lot longer for drugs then for booze.
I'm not condoning booze either. I want to see the drunk driver get arrested just as much.
But booze at home is still legal MJ is not.
No matter how you want to justify the use of MJ bottom line is its illegal and its going to stay illegal.
Its nothing personal its just the reality.
Mary Jane

Lake In The Hills, IL

#23 Sep 17, 2010
It seem as though the world has taken another look at Marijuana, and there are social/medical benefits for those who suffer from Cancer and certain digestive disorders.

My Mom (bless her heart) died from cancer in 1985 and long before she died her Doctors offered her POT for relief from the pain and discomfort associated with Chemotherapy, and to assist her in re-gaining lost weight.
WOW

Chicago, IL

#24 Sep 17, 2010
"You should because bottom line is its still illegal."

But why? Because the government says so? I've never heard anyone have a valid reason for why alcohol is legal and marijuana isn't.
Mystery Man

Naperville, IL

#25 Sep 17, 2010
Mary Jane wrote:
It seem as though the world has taken another look at Marijuana, and there are social/medical benefits for those who suffer from Cancer and certain digestive disorders.
My Mom (bless her heart) died from cancer in 1985 and long before she died her Doctors offered her POT for relief from the pain and discomfort associated with Chemotherapy, and to assist her in re-gaining lost weight.
I'm sorry for your loss. I lost my wife that same year. Then in 08 i lost my mom on the very same day.

Your mom must not have lived in IL in 85.
I seriously doubt any doctor in IL that year or any other year would have offered MJ to a patient.
There are other drugs for pain and for weight gain.
Especially considering she was on Chemo. They watch those drugs very carefully i just can't believe a doctor would offer unregulated MJ under those circumstances.

In any event this issue for legalizing MJ based on medical purposes is a poor argument to make.
It has not been thoroughly tested to prove its real worth as a medicine.
And its only a very small fraction of people who get it anyway.
Finally there are states that do allow it for medical use.

The truth is MJ users are just using those who could POSSIBLY benefit from it to further their desire for an illegal substance that they have no intention of using for medical reasons.

Do you really want to further their cause ?
Knowing they use people like your mom to hide behind.
S Hanam

Grayslake, IL

#26 Sep 17, 2010
Prohibition will never stop personal behavior. If you peruse leap.com (law enforcement against prohibition) you will see that we are not winning the 'war on drugs'. Demand escalates the prices of these cheap compounds and make for crime syndicates to rule the distribution of these drugs. More people are dying from enforcement and competition amongst these groups. And, as an after thought, the US already allows two of the most dangerous drugs to be used by adults, alcohol and tobacco. This is a Public Health issue, not simply a legal issue and should be treated as such.
Mary Jane

Lake In The Hills, IL

#27 Sep 17, 2010
She lived in Illinois and she was treated at Evanston Hospital!

A number of studies indicate medical benefits of THC for cancer and AIDS patients by increasing appetite and decreasing nausea, blocking the spread of some cancer-causing herpes simplex viruses. It has been shown to assist some glaucoma patients by reducing pressure within the eye, and is used, in the form of cannabis, by a number ofmultiple sclerosis patients for relieving spasms. Effects include relaxation; euphoria; altered space-time perception; enhancement of visual, auditory, and olfactory senses; disorientation; and appetite stimulation.

Synthetic THC, also known under the substance name dronabinol, is available as a prescription drug under the trade name Marinol in several countries including the United States, Netherlands, and Germany.
Mary Jane

Lake In The Hills, IL

#28 Sep 17, 2010
Cannabis was criminalized in various countries beginning in the early 20th century. It was outlawed in South Africa in 1911, in Jamaica (then a British colony) in 1913 and in the United Kingdom and New Zealand in the 1920s.

Canada criminalized marijuana in the Opium and Drug Act of 1923, before any reports of use of the drug in Canada. In 1925 a compromise was made at an international conference in Haag about the International Opium Convention that banned exportation of "Indian hemp" to countries that had prohibited its use, and requiring importing countries to issue certificates approving the importation and stating that the shipment was required "exclusively for medical or scientific purposes". It also required parties to "exercise an effective control of such a nature as to prevent the illicit international traffic in Indian hemp and especially in the resin".

In the United States the first restrictions for sale of cannabis came in 1906 (in District of Columbia). In 1937, the Marijuana Transfer Tax Act was passed, and prohibited the production of hemp in addition to marijuana. The reasons that hemp was also included in this law are disputed. The Federal Bureau of Narcotics agents reported that fields with hemp were also used as a source for marijuana dealers. Other authors claim have claimed that it was passed in order to destroy the hemp industry, largely as an effort of businessmen Andrew Mellon, Randolph Hearst, and the Du Pont family.

With the invention of the decorticator, hemp became a very cheap substitute for the paper pulp that was used in the newspaper industry. Hearst felt that this was a threat to his extensive timber holdings.

Mellon, Secretary of the Treasury and the wealthiest man in America had invested heavily in the Du Pont family’s new synthetic fiber, nylon, which was also being outcompeted by hemp.
S Hanam

Grayslake, IL

#29 Sep 17, 2010
Sorry for all those repeat postings. Also the correct link is: www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

I think it is irrelevant to state that peopple should not use cannabis because it is illegal when the question is should it be leagal or not.
BTW a recent (2010) study shows that drivers who are stoned are less likely to be involved in auto accidents than those who are sober and most definitely those who are drunk.

It has been shouwn by our own government's studies asked for by Nixon: "Shelton Report, 1972" that tobacco is a gateway drug. Pot is a gateway to the underbelly of crime. I advocate no drug use for personal reasons not legal.
Mystery Man

Naperville, IL

#30 Sep 17, 2010
S Hanam wrote:
Prohibition will never stop personal behavior. If you peruse leap.com (law enforcement against prohibition) you will see that we are not winning the 'war on drugs'. Demand escalates the prices of these cheap compounds and make for crime syndicates to rule the distribution of these drugs. More people are dying from enforcement and competition amongst these groups. And, as an after thought, the US already allows two of the most dangerous drugs to be used by adults, alcohol and tobacco. This is a Public Health issue, not simply a legal issue and should be treated as such.
So because we can't stop crime we shouldn't even try ?
Maybe the next time someone is breaking into your house the cops should say "gee sorry Hanam we're not winning the war on breaking & entering because its still going on"
You can't possibly be serious in saying alcohol & smoking is worse then heroin and cocaine.
I'm not saying they don't all kill. Even chocolate can kill you.
But Heroin and cocaine are far more deadly then alcohol and smoking.
Go talk to a doctor before you say anything more on it.
Supporter

Justice, IL

#31 Sep 17, 2010
Legalize and tax marijuana. The money wasted on enforcement should be spent on education.
Supporter

Justice, IL

#32 Sep 17, 2010
Legalize and tax. Money and man power wasted on enforcement can be better used to control real crime.
Mystery Man

Naperville, IL

#33 Sep 17, 2010
Supporter wrote:
Legalize and tax. Money and man power wasted on enforcement can be better used to control real crime.
we already legalize and tax alcohol and we still get crime related to alcohol.
So that's not a solution.
fgsfds

Arlington Heights, IL

#34 Sep 22, 2010
Mystery Man wrote:
<quoted text>
we already legalize and tax alcohol and we still get crime related to alcohol.
So that's not a solution.
Yeah, but alchohol doesn't make you violent, it makes you chill.
tak

Arlington Heights, IL

#35 Sep 24, 2010
dumb wrote:
<quoted text>
You've never heard of bloodsports? The gladiators? Watched movies like the Running Man? The government could probably rake in the PPV dough by selling viewing rights to executions. Can't make money, huh.
Well the gladiators were a couple thousand years ago, and Running Man was a pretty cool movie. The point is: there's no reason for it to be illegal, as it is already smoked by a ton of people anyway. The least the government can do is make some tax money.
W'sup den?
Mystery Man

Lake In The Hills, IL

#36 Sep 24, 2010
fgsfds wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, but alchohol doesn't make you violent, it makes you chill.
Get lost creep.
I read what you wrote in the thread about the death of Bob Heath.
I didn't know Bob but he sounds like a well loved guy.
His grieving family & friends didn't deserve you're crappy comment.
So as far as i'm concerned you are a creep and i could care less what you have to say on any subject to any person.
VyvB

United States

#37 Sep 24, 2010
Mystery Man wrote:
So as far as i'm concerned you are a creep and i could care less what you have to say on any subject to any person.
Agreed.
say no to prohibition

Elizabethtown, KY

#38 Oct 10, 2010
Mystery Man wrote:
<quoted text>
we already legalize and tax alcohol and we still get crime related to alcohol.
So that's not a solution.
But we don't have Al Capone type figures getting rich and powerful from bootlegging liquor.
There are some characters making lots of money from pot because it is illegal. And they have no problem killing people to try and hold on to their share of the market.

And to those who try the "well I guess we should legalize murder and theft because people are gonna do it anyway, hurf hurf..." type of argument: Having and using marijuana is a victimless crime. That's the difference, see.
If pot is actually harmful, then a marijuana user would be choosing to harm themselves.

My understanding is that we americans should be free to choose to harm ourselves, or just take a personal risk, if we so choose.
Why does the government not step in and throw me in jail because I use tobacco products? They are possibly killing me, right?
But that's my choice. Laws can restrict where I smoke a cigarette, because others may not choose to expose themselves to cigarette smoke. That's fine. That is dealing with observable exposure to a substance that could affect a person's health.
But to tell people that they are not even allowed to take a personal 'risk' is wrong, and is the opposite of freedom.

Killing people, robbing, raping, etc., these are crimes with obvious perpetrators and victims.

If smoking pot makes one a victim, and also makes one the perpetrator, then both of those terms become meaningless.

I fail to see why people shouldn't also be jailed for inflicting alcoholic beverages upon themselves, if the government is so busy caring about the well-being of us, the people.
Smoke it if you got it

Grayslake, IL

#39 Oct 23, 2010
We legalize alcohol and anti anxiety meds like valium and xanax. Marijuana is natural, not man made.
VyvB

United States

#40 Oct 25, 2010
Smoke it if you got it wrote:
We legalize alcohol .... Marijuana is natural, not man made.
Alcohol is a natural fermentation process. Just sayin'.

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