Marijuana Debate - Antioch, IL

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Mystery Man

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#230
Mar 19, 2013
 
we're not that far off.
One difference is you want to always relate it to alcohol.
And it can't be.
Nor more then seatbelt laws and motorcycle helmets can.
Just for example.
You can measure alcohol in a system thus knowing when a DUI is warranted.
You can't measure when someone is impaired by marijuana to the point of a DUI.
If anything that is your answer why it should be illegal.
Any while you may accept the fact that it will be regulated as much or even more so then tobacco.
I'm willing to bet others don't realize that.
That think it should be light up whenever and wherever you feel like it.
That legally will never happen no matter what laws are passed.

On a personal note i appreciate conversing with you.
Frustrated Parent

Round Lake, IL

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#231
Mar 19, 2013
 
It is bad enough up here in Antioch with the drugs and Alcohol. This is all we would need.
Mystery Man

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#232
Mar 19, 2013
 
Frustrated Parent wrote:
It is bad enough up here in Antioch with the drugs and Alcohol. This is all we would need.
I'm guessing you'd rather see your kid locked up in a cage with rapist and murders to be used as their play toy, just for having a plant in his/her possession......wise choice Einstein, I totally agree.
carrie

Round Lake, IL

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#233
Mar 19, 2013
 
banging my head against the wall

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#234
Mar 19, 2013
 
Mystery Man wrote:
we're not that far off.
One difference is you want to always relate it to alcohol.
And it can't be.
Nor more then seatbelt laws and motorcycle helmets can.
Just for example.
You can measure alcohol in a system thus knowing when a DUI is warranted.
You can't measure when someone is impaired by marijuana to the point of a DUI.
If anything that is your answer why it should be illegal.
Any while you may accept the fact that it will be regulated as much or even more so then tobacco.
I'm willing to bet others don't realize that.
That think it should be light up whenever and wherever you feel like it.
That legally will never happen no matter what laws are passed.
On a personal note i appreciate conversing with you.
You make some very good points regarding the comparisons between alcohol and marijuana; however, I believe that DUI can be established through standard and non-standard field sobriety testing (which doesn't require a device to capture a measured result).

My bias: While the legality of marijuana doesn't affect me directly, I personally believe that a reduction in crime might be a result of legalization. Although, I think we could see an increase in traffic accidents too.

(THEN AGAIN... maybe we could see an economic boost in the local sales of snack foods to cure the munchies! ha!)
Mystery Man

Gurnee, IL

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#235
Mar 19, 2013
 
Mister Rourke wrote:
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You make some very good points regarding the comparisons between alcohol and marijuana; however, I believe that DUI can be established through standard and non-standard field sobriety testing (which doesn't require a device to capture a measured result).
My bias: While the legality of marijuana doesn't affect me directly, I personally believe that a reduction in crime might be a result of legalization. Although, I think we could see an increase in traffic accidents too.
(THEN AGAIN... maybe we could see an economic boost in the local sales of snack foods to cure the munchies! ha!)
I actually laughed at the munchies line.
Our economy can use a boast.

But i don't agree on less crime.
I'm going to assume you mean that IF it became legal crime would drop since it could be legally sold instead of through a dealer of illegal drugs.

Lets assume that happens exactly that way.
The drug dealers don't want to lose money or business so they must then do one of two things.
1 ) raise the cost of other drugs.
2 ) push even younger more naive customers into buying their other illegal products.
And of course that increases not decreases crime.

As for field test for DUI those alone would be at risk of getting thrown out of court.
You're totally right there would be a serious increase in auto accidents. Maybe even work related accidents for those working around machinery.

I wonder how Obamacare is going to deal with this problem.
I wonder how car insurance is going to deal with this increase in auto accidents.

Those that love the idea of legalization never mention anything about these concerns. All they can think of is that MAYBE it might relieve some pain for cancer patients. Yet probably none of those poster even have cancer. Its all just an excuse for their addiction.

Thanks for your post.

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#236
Mar 19, 2013
 
News Reader 2011 wrote:
Quite honestly, this debate has become quite boring.
Couldn't agree more.
Mystery Man

Gurnee, IL

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#237
Mar 19, 2013
 
WaywardDaughter wrote:
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Couldn't agree more.
Actually NewsReader wrote twice more after posting that.
So i guess NewsReader changed her mind.
But heck if you want to stop posting then just stop.
No one is forcing you to post.

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#238
Mar 23, 2013
 
quite boring indeed.......any good arguments yet? cars are there regardless so using driving and dui laws as an excuse is out. lets just ban cars. make them illegal too. they kill alot of people a year, right behind cigarettes and alcohol. make cars and driving illegal. seatbelts and motorcycle helmets? how is that even close to a reasonable comparison? compare trains and rollercoaster cars why dont ya. there is a certain amount of risk involved in anything you do. some activities warrant more risk and caution than others, hence motorcycle riding compared to driving. a simple experiment could tell you that. how could could you compare being inside a 4000 pound padded machine with restraints, head protection, body protection, and 20 different air bags to a 600 pound external driven vehicle with only a helmet and blue jeans to get in the way of the 4000 pound padded machines? going to the moon on the shuttle or florida on a boeing? come on now man. at least show some intelligence. even a successful and knowledgeable poster such as newsreader can see it. anybody have a good argument against cannabis please? next?
Mystery Man

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#239
Mar 23, 2013
 
You're an admitted user and a great example of why it should be illegal.
LilyLake

Round Lake, IL

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#240
Mar 23, 2013
 
time to legalize this stuff
i dont smoke it but i know lots of people who do
everyday people who hold jobs and raise families
i would rather see people smoking this instead of drinking alcohol which is terrible for you
Mystery Man

Oklahoma City, OK

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#241
Mar 23, 2013
 
I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and shit out smarter statements than you people.
Mystery Man

Gurnee, IL

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#242
Mar 23, 2013
 
LilyLake wrote:
time to legalize this stuff
i dont smoke it but i know lots of people who do
everyday people who hold jobs and raise families
i would rather see people smoking this instead of drinking alcohol which is terrible for you
You want to see them behind the wheel of a car ?
Or running a machine on a job ?
That usage goes up if it becomes legal.
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#243
Mar 23, 2013
 
Why don't you people go to the library and brush up on your ignorance?.......or better yet stay at home and drink yourself to death, it's legal to do so.
LilyLake

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#244
Mar 24, 2013
 
Mystery Man wrote:
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You want to see them behind the wheel of a car ?
Or running a machine on a job ?
That usage goes up if it becomes legal.
No I dont want to see either
but I dont want another penny wasted on trying to stop something that cant be stopped
There are laws in place already to stop people from driving while intoxicated so that wont change
Its a waste of time and money to keep it illegal when there are worse things out there that are legal
If you want to fight addiction and crime go after the real problems
opiates, heroin and alcohol
Mystery Man

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#245
Mar 24, 2013
 
LilyLake wrote:
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No I dont want to see either
but I dont want another penny wasted on trying to stop something that cant be stopped
There are laws in place already to stop people from driving while intoxicated so that wont change
Its a waste of time and money to keep it illegal when there are worse things out there that are legal
If you want to fight addiction and crime go after the real problems
opiates, heroin and alcohol
I commend you for not using it or any other illegal drug.
I too don't want to waste money.
I feel the money for forced rehab is a total waste.
Jail is the best solution for criminals. But that's another topic.
Drunk driving laws and penalties are useless on illegal marijuana while driving.
It can't accurately be measured in the field.

As for minor crime VS major crime
we can't let go minor criminals just to only go after major criminals.
Otherwise you would not go after a shop lifter in favor of going after a bank robber.
Or not go after a bar fight starter to go after instead a knife fight.
Sorry but even small criminals have to be arrested too.
The justice system does not pick and choose based on your definition of real criminals.
So minor drug offenders need to be arrested just like major offenders do.
Mystery Man

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#246
Mar 24, 2013
 
...and once again I am right, you dummies should just give up, I know everything.
LilyLake

Round Lake, IL

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#247
Mar 24, 2013
 
Mystery Man wrote:
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I commend you for not using it or any other illegal drug.
I too don't want to waste money.
I feel the money for forced rehab is a total waste.
Jail is the best solution for criminals. But that's another topic.
Drunk driving laws and penalties are useless on illegal marijuana while driving.
It can't accurately be measured in the field.
As for minor crime VS major crime
we can't let go minor criminals just to only go after major criminals.
Otherwise you would not go after a shop lifter in favor of going after a bank robber.
Or not go after a bar fight starter to go after instead a knife fight.
Sorry but even small criminals have to be arrested too.
The justice system does not pick and choose based on your definition of real criminals.
So minor drug offenders need to be arrested just like major offenders do.
I appreciate your comments but we know most of this is wrong.
Drivers are caught driving under the influence all the time. Field sobriety tests cover most substances. Alcohol being the most apparent but that is why they do field sobriety tests and make someone take a breathalyzer if they smell alcohol. When you fail the sobriety tests, further testing is done. People are arrested on a daily basis for driving under the influence of things other than alcohol.

We also know that rehab does work for most minor drug offenses and is much less expensive. The justice system does pick and choose criminals, that is why there are misdemeanor offenses and felony offenses.

Jails cannot be filled with misdemeanor offenders like pot smokers. Its a waste of time and money. Jails are meant to keep the rest of the citizens of this country protected. They arent meant to keep people in there because you dont like what they do in their spare time.
Mystery Man

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#248
Mar 24, 2013
 
LilyLake wrote:
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I appreciate your comments but we know most of this is wrong.
Drivers are caught driving under the influence all the time. Field sobriety tests cover most substances. Alcohol being the most apparent but that is why they do field sobriety tests and make someone take a breathalyzer if they smell alcohol. When you fail the sobriety tests, further testing is done. People are arrested on a daily basis for driving under the influence of things other than alcohol.
We also know that rehab does work for most minor drug offenses and is much less expensive. The justice system does pick and choose criminals, that is why there are misdemeanor offenses and felony offenses.
Jails cannot be filled with misdemeanor offenders like pot smokers. Its a waste of time and money. Jails are meant to keep the rest of the citizens of this country protected. They arent meant to keep people in there because you dont like what they do in their spare time.
There is more then one real issue here.

When they do arrest someone for under the influence other than alcohol they always have something to back it up. Drugs in the car - on the person, a pipe, paper, etc.
But if it became legal there would not be a law against having those items in the car. Only a law against its usage while driving.
So in truth it would become even harder to arrest them then it is now. Even though the law won't change on the driving part.
Again alcohol is a separate issue and has always been treated differently.

Rehab has never worked. That is why there is so many repeaters out there. In fact if anything they move on to worse drugs.

I agree jails are over crowded. We don't need to lock up white collar criminals like Scooter Libby. We do need to lock up those who can harm innocent people. Like druggies who steal for drug money, beat up innocent people for drugs, and cause car accidents while driving or running away from cops. Yeah i prefer jail for them.
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#249
Mar 24, 2013
 
Mystery Man wrote:
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There is more then one real issue here.
When they do arrest someone for under the influence other than alcohol they always have something to back it up. Drugs in the car - on the person, a pipe, paper, etc.
But if it became legal there would not be a law against having those items in the car. Only a law against its usage while driving.
So in truth it would become even harder to arrest them then it is now. Even though the law won't change on the driving part.
Again alcohol is a separate issue and has always been treated differently.
Rehab has never worked. That is why there is so many repeaters out there. In fact if anything they move on to worse drugs.
I agree jails are over crowded. We don't need to lock up white collar criminals like Scooter Libby. We do need to lock up those who can harm innocent people. Like druggies who steal for drug money, beat up innocent people for drugs, and cause car accidents while driving or running away from cops. Yeah i prefer jail for them.
rehab works all the time
rehab vs jail is a much better solution
you should really learn a thing or two before you post things that dont really make any sense or are backed up by any facts

Scooter libby is a felon. the jury convicted Libby on four counts (one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury, and one count of making false statements)

yeah i prefer jail for good ole scooter rather than a pot smoker

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