Marijuana Debate - Albuquerque, NM

Discuss the national Marijuana debate in Albuquerque, NM.

Do you support the legalization of Marijuana?

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mole

Portland, OR

#299 Sep 21, 2010
NM Cannabism wrote:
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what a hater..
Another play right out of the progressive hand book. Calling people names because they disagree.
mole

Portland, OR

#300 Sep 21, 2010
NM Cannabism wrote:
<quoted text>
amen to that friend..
our police should be focusing on violent crime, not domestic
Marijuana users/growers..
hell, if someone is growing here aren't they
indirectly contributing to the economy.
aren't they spending money? paying sales taxes?
but are they paying income tax on those profits?
don't you think these local growers wouldn't love
to go legit? and participate in an open, and FREE MARKET, legal Marijuana industry?
who'd YOU rather do biz with?
a thug?
or a respected member of the community?
.. such as a legally regulated Canna-business?
You are so funny. Oakland Ca. just last month licensed 4 large scale grows. The smallest is 120,000 square feet. Care to guess who got the permits?( I will give you a hint) "BIG PHARMS". All of the small mom and pops are being forced out. Besides tell me of ONE just ONE thing that the government has gotten involved with that it hasnt screwed-up? Oregon was going to stop letting people grow thier own and start with the stores. First thing that they said was add a $100.00 an ounce tax to the pot. Tell me if you could get the same pot for a $100.00 an ounce less why would you buy it from a store? Everyone like to save a buck or hundred.
mole

Portland, OR

#301 Sep 21, 2010
Tx Raised NM Entrapped wrote:
<quoted text>
400,000 people a year die from tobacco smoking...that is the US stats only too. I'm not sure if you have heard this but tobacco does cause cancer.
But not 1 person overdosed on it.
WorkingStiff

Albuquerque, NM

#302 Sep 21, 2010
mole wrote:
<quoted text> But not 1 person overdosed on it.
Actually, you can get poisoned from tobacco just by working with it. It is absorbed through the skin into the bloodstream from the leaves. Tobacco pickers can get Green tobacco sickness from any prolonged exposure to it. If you are working all day handling tobacco, you are exposed to an equivalence to more than 50 cigarettes. Some of the symptons are gasping for air, headache, high blood pressure, vomiting and it can permanently alter brain function in children.
mole

Portland, OR

#303 Sep 21, 2010
WorkingStiff wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, you can get poisoned from tobacco just by working with it. It is absorbed through the skin into the bloodstream from the leaves. Tobacco pickers can get Green tobacco sickness from any prolonged exposure to it. If you are working all day handling tobacco, you are exposed to an equivalence to more than 50 cigarettes. Some of the symptons are gasping for air, headache, high blood pressure, vomiting and it can permanently alter brain function in children.
So no-one has over dosed from smoking tobacco yet then? Do you know what the L-D 50 on marijuana is ?

“Reform Marijuana Laws Now!”

Since: Nov 09

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#304 Sep 21, 2010
mole wrote:
<quoted text> You are so funny. Oakland Ca. just last month licensed 4 large scale grows. The smallest is 120,000 square feet. Care to guess who got the permits?( I will give you a hint) "BIG PHARMS". All of the small mom and pops are being forced out. Besides tell me of ONE just ONE thing that the government has gotten involved with that it hasnt screwed-up? Oregon was going to stop letting people grow thier own and start with the stores. First thing that they said was add a $100.00 an ounce tax to the pot. Tell me if you could get the same pot for a $100.00 an ounce less why would you buy it from a store? Everyone like to save a buck or hundred.
I read the articles. It is not a big pharma, you dumb dumb.

a private businessman who owns a lot of warehouses, etc that aren't being used anmore.

I like to be free..

I WANT TO LIVE FREE.

That's what's important. not your bottom line.

FREEDOM.. freedom to choose without fear.

you are just a puppet.. a dispensery lobbyists.

a selfish 'i got's mine' attitude..

BOGUS.

“Reform Marijuana Laws Now!”

Since: Nov 09

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#305 Sep 21, 2010
mole wrote:
<quoted text> Another play right out of the progressive hand book. Calling people names because they disagree.
you're nuts. another play? no, the truth.

“Yes We Cannabis: www.norml.org”

Since: Sep 10

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#306 Sep 22, 2010
Taxing and Regulating Marijuana will help
to keep the drug out the hands of our youth. Children can get some Bud faster than you can say Budweiser. We need to have greater public safety. Legalizing Marijuana will allow us to control this illicit market and keep drug dealers and deadly cartels out of the mix forever.

“Yes We Cannabis: www.norml.org”

Since: Sep 10

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#307 Sep 23, 2010
Legalize IT.

www.yeson19.com

“Yes We Cannabis: www.norml.org”

Since: Sep 10

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#308 Sep 23, 2010
WorkingStiff wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, you can get poisoned from tobacco just by working with it. It is absorbed through the skin into the bloodstream from the leaves. Tobacco pickers can get Green tobacco sickness from any prolonged exposure to it. If you are working all day handling tobacco, you are exposed to an equivalence to more than 50 cigarettes. Some of the symptons are gasping for air, headache, high blood pressure, vomiting and it can permanently alter brain function in children.
I have no doubt that what you say is in fact true.

Well, wouldn't you know?

Marijuana doesn't cause any such effects.

How much could we save on national healthcare costs
if only tobacco smokers could be afforded a safer alternative?

such as Marijuana, of course?
WorkingStiff

Albuquerque, NM

#309 Sep 23, 2010
Cannactivism wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no doubt that what you say is in fact true.
Well, wouldn't you know?
Marijuana doesn't cause any such effects.
How much could we save on national healthcare costs
if only tobacco smokers could be afforded a safer alternative?
such as Marijuana, of course?
I have some chickens and a friend came by to trade out one of them. He seen my tobacco plants and commented how big they are and how he picked tobacco one day. He said that back in Kentucky, he got soo sick from working with it. He was sick for weeks. Said it was the sickest he ever got. Yes, only correcting the previous poster that tobacco is very toxic even in its purest form. I don't smoke anything but love to grow the stuff and give it to my friends that do smoke. Tobacco that is. lol Completely natural without additives just like our Native American friends used to do.

FYI, Tobacco smokers smoke to get nicotine, not THC to get a high like Pot does. Nicotine is a very addictive drug though and does give the user a sense of wellness but it is not really a "high". It would do us all good if noone smoked anything at all. And even if no one drank at all as well.

“Yes We Cannabis: www.norml.org”

Since: Sep 10

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#311 Sep 24, 2010
WorkingStiff wrote:
<quoted text>
I have some chickens and a friend came by to trade out one of them. He seen my tobacco plants and commented how big they are and how he picked tobacco one day. He said that back in Kentucky, he got soo sick from working with it. He was sick for weeks. Said it was the sickest he ever got. Yes, only correcting the previous poster that tobacco is very toxic even in its purest form. I don't smoke anything but love to grow the stuff and give it to my friends that do smoke. Tobacco that is. lol Completely natural without additives just like our Native American friends used to do.
FYI, Tobacco smokers smoke to get nicotine, not THC to get a high like Pot does. Nicotine is a very addictive drug though and does give the user a sense of wellness but it is not really a "high". It would do us all good if noone smoked anything at all. And even if no one drank at all as well.
sorry but no dice. nicotine in of itself is a drug.

oh, and i used to smoke tobacco. speaking from experience friend,
i must disagree...if i didn't have my cigarette I was an assh#le.. a monster,
hungry for my fix.. in fact, you are right that tobacco, even organic tobacco, is still toxic to the human body, A DEADLY POISON IN FACT.

and it will still cause cancer, even if it's as pure as the fallen snow on a mountain peak in the Himalayas, lol.

the cannabinoids found in Cannabis can KILL cancer cells..

quite a difference in terms of 'safety' wouldn't you agree?

alcohol contributes to UNTOLD amounts of domestic violence, correct?

and tobacco and alcohol companies are in league with one another.
when I used to drink I'd smoke more and more until my pack was gone.
I used to light a cigarette with a cigarette with yet another cigarette, non stop. I could smoke 3 packs in one night of binge drinking.

yeah you're right, in a perfect world no one would do drugs.
but it will NEVER be such a utopian world, NEVER.

but people have always, since the dawn of civilization, experimented
with drugs of different sorts. They love their vices.. however,
almost all do so for the thrill, the rush of 'blood to the head', so to speak. but all drugs have different risks, different safety levels.

boil some chewing tobacco for a few hours, eat it and YOU WILL DIE
... of a nicotine induced heart attack.. ANARCHISTS' COOKBOOK REFERENCE.

drink too much booze, and YOU WILL DIE.

Smoke too much Marijuana, and YOU WILL PASS OUT.

Hmmmm. what substance would you choose, if you had to choose between the three Stiff? What's the obviously safer choice Stiff?

we can't make vices go away.. so why not ensure the safety
of the users and non-users, by making safer options available.../.
like Marijuana for responsible adults 21 and over?

offer them some BUD instead of a 'Bud'.

that's my perspective, and it makes perfect sense...
Jesus Christ

Edgewood, NM

#312 Sep 24, 2010
Cannactivism wrote:
if i didn't have my cigarette I was an assh#le.. a monster
What's your excuse now?

“Yes We Cannabis: www.norml.org”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#313 Sep 25, 2010
Jesus Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
What's your excuse now?
How dare you take the name of God in vein.

What a horrible human being, impersonating the Creator.

Shame Shame on you.

Not to mention, whoever you are, that YOU are a coward.

who are you and why should I care about you?

please, respectfully, GET LOST!

peace HATER!

“Yes We Cannabis: www.norml.org”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#314 Sep 26, 2010
New Mexico needs to legalize Marijuana.

Ask me why.

“Yes We Cannabis: www.norml.org”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#315 Sep 26, 2010
WorkingStiff wrote:
<quoted text>
I have some chickens and a friend came by to trade out one of them. He seen my tobacco plants and commented how big they are and how he picked tobacco one day. He said that back in Kentucky, he got soo sick from working with it. He was sick for weeks. Said it was the sickest he ever got. Yes, only correcting the previous poster that tobacco is very toxic even in its purest form. I don't smoke anything but love to grow the stuff and give it to my friends that do smoke. Tobacco that is. lol Completely natural without additives just like our Native American friends used to do.
FYI, Tobacco smokers smoke to get nicotine, not THC to get a high like Pot does. Nicotine is a very addictive drug though and does give the user a sense of wellness but it is not really a "high". It would do us all good if noone smoked anything at all. And even if no one drank at all as well.

sorry but no dice. nicotine in of itself is a drug.

oh, and i used to smoke tobacco. speaking from experience friend,
i must disagree...if i didn't have my cigarette I was an assh#le.. a monster,
hungry for my fix.. in fact, you are right that tobacco, even organic tobacco, is still toxic to the human body, A DEADLY POISON IN FACT.

and it will still cause cancer, even if it's as pure as the fallen snow on a mountain peak in the Himalayas, lol.

the cannabinoids found in Cannabis can KILL cancer cells..

quite a difference in terms of 'safety' wouldn't you agree?

alcohol contributes to UNTOLD amounts of domestic violence, correct?

and tobacco and alcohol companies are in league with one another.
when I used to drink I'd smoke more and more until my pack was gone.
I used to light a cigarette with a cigarette with yet another cigarette, non stop. I could smoke 3 packs in one night of binge drinking.

yeah you're right, in a perfect world no one would do drugs.
but it will NEVER be such a utopian world, NEVER.

but people have always, since the dawn of civilization, experimented
with drugs of different sorts. They love their vices.. however,
almost all do so for the thrill, the rush of 'blood to the head', so to speak. but all drugs have different risks, different safety levels.

boil some chewing tobacco for a few hours, eat it and YOU WILL DIE
... of a nicotine induced heart attack.. ANARCHISTS' COOKBOOK REFERENCE.

drink too much booze, and YOU WILL DIE.

Smoke too much Marijuana, and YOU WILL PASS OUT.

Hmmmm. what substance would you choose, if you had to choose between the three Stiff? What's the obviously safer choice Stiff?

we can't make vices go away.. so why not ensure the safety
of the users and non-users, by making safer options available.../.
like Marijuana for responsible adults 21 and over?

offer them some BUD instead of a 'Bud'.

that's my perspective, and it makes perfect sense...
Jesus Christ

Edgewood, NM

#316 Sep 26, 2010
Cannactivism wrote:
How dare you take the name of God in vein.
What a horrible human being, impersonating the Creator.
Shame Shame on you.
Not to mention, whoever you are, that YOU are a coward.
who are you and why should I care about you?
please, respectfully, GET LOST!
peace HATER!
Dear Dad,

Please, Pop, find it in your heart to shut 5ought5 up. I know we're both sick of him smearing our names over his warped ideals, so I'm thinking a bit a time down at cousin Beelzebub's should do him nicely.

Oh, and my prostitute wife and I will be coming over for dinner this Saturday.

-J.

“Yes We Cannabis: www.norml.org”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#317 Sep 26, 2010
Jesus Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear Dad,
Please, Pop, find it in your heart to shut 5ought5 up. I know we're both sick of him smearing our names over his warped ideals, so I'm thinking a bit a time down at cousin Beelzebub's should do him nicely.
Oh, and my prostitute wife and I will be coming over for dinner this Saturday.
-J.
God have mercy upon your soul Athiest.

“Yes We Cannabis: www.norml.org”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#318 Sep 26, 2010
Now that we're done with that HATER, let's move on folks, shall we?

I'm reigniting this forum's furnace, so to speak.

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Why Parents Should Support Legalizing Pot
"As parents, we know that education is often more effective than punishment, and in some cases punishment is not effective at all."
September 23, 2010 |


My son just started kindergarten. So naturally, I have been thinking a lot about the type of world and community in which I want him and our seven-year-old daughter to live. I am involved in a project to improve school lunches in our district to reinforce the nutrition lessons we teach in our home. I am a founding board member of a community group trying to improve our cityís parks. And I am working to help pass Proposition 19, the initiative to control and tax marijuana in California. It is important to me as a mother that my children grow up in a stateóhopefully a country soonóthat rejects the ineffective and damaging policy of marijuana prohibition. It may be counterintuitive, but legalizing marijuana will be better and safer for our children.

I would like to believe my kids wonít ever choose to use drugs. But whatever happens, it is certain that prohibition does not stop kids from using marijuana, and that my kids will be exposed to it along with other risky behaviors. After all, about a third of high school seniors have used marijuana within the last year, a figure that has been relatively stable over decades across the country and has not been affected by variations in laws and enforcement. Moreover, it has long been easier for kids to get marijuana than it is for them to get alcohol. The plain fact is drug dealers donít require ID, and legitimate businesses do. By taking marijuana out of the black market and placing it within the confines of safe, regulated, and licensed businesses that only sell to those 21 and over, Proposition 19 would actually reduce underage access to marijuana.

While we donít want our kids to try marijuana, if they do later on it can lead to very harsh consequences if they are caught, even for actions that are not harmful to others. And this next part is really scary: when a person is convicted of a marijuana offense, he or she is precluded from receiving federal student loans, will forever have a drug record that diminishes job prospects, and is precluded from many other benefits, not to mention being arrested, possibly serving time, and other harsh and harrowing outcomes. We donít prevent even violent criminals from getting student loans. Or underage drinkers, for that matter. I donít want people to have their lives derailed for a youthful indiscretion. Do you?

END OF PART 1

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/148278/why_pare...

“Yes We Cannabis: www.norml.org”

Since: Sep 10

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#319 Sep 26, 2010
Why Parents Should Support Legalizing Pot

"As parents, we know that education is often more effective than punishment, and in some cases punishment is not effective at all."

To truly serve public safety, we should control and tax marijuana, since under present policies, thousands of violent crimes go unsolved, while police spend valuable and scarce resources targeting thousands of non-violent adult marijuana users. Arrests for simple possession of marijuana have tripled over the last two decades. The $300 million California spends each year on marijuana enforcement would better serve our communities spent on solving and preventing violent crimes. Any new tax revenues would better serve our children if spent on drug education, drug rehabilitation, and of course shoring up our crumbling public education system.

We know our children are going to make decisions for themselves, probably at an age we think is too young. Laws are not going to be nearly as effective in guiding those choices as the messages we send to them as parents and in our public education efforts. We need to help kids navigate into adulthood with the judgment to moderate their intake of so many substances capable of abuseófrom sugar to caffeine, alcohol, prescription drugs, and, yes, marijuana. Not to mention making good decisions about sex, Internet usage, driving, studying, and extracurricular activities. As a mother, thinking through the list, I am not most terrified by the choices they might make regarding marijuana. How about you? So letís treat marijuana like alcohol, explain to our kids why they should avoid both, at least while they are young, and teach them how to be responsible about various choices in life.

This month, my five-year-old new kindergartner has taken up rollerblading. He goes fast, and has a lot of confidence. He has great balance so I resist the impulse to hover too much, even though I know a skinned knee is possible. I breathe a sigh of relief when he stops at driveways to ask if itís OK to go ahead. And I hope that he will learn to internalize that check against his daredevil tendencies. I will do my part, and I donít want the state hovering over my shoulder, reflexively criminalizing behaviors that happen to make mothers gasp. As parents, we know that education is often more effective than punishment, and in some cases punishment is not effective at all.

Women were instrumental in bringing about repeal of Prohibition in 1933, and we can be again when it comes to determining when marijuana prohibition is reversed. In my view, Proposition 19 is the right choiceónot just for true law and orderóbut for our kids.

Hanna Liebman Dershowitz is mother of a seven-year-old and a five-year-old. She is an attorney in Culver City and co-chair of the Proposition 19 legal subcommittee.

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