Immigration Debate - Des Moines, IA

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#1 Sep 6, 2010
It's just wrong.
Vet

Mcdonough, GA

#2 Sep 6, 2010
wildcat_rose09 wrote:
It's just wrong.
I will explain this one more time though I'm sure you understand. A sovereign nation has the right and obligation to protect its sovereignty . These ILLEGALS premeditate an ILLEGAL invasion of our borders. That makes them ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRIMINALS . I do not give a damn why they come or how hard they work or that they are poor, That is Mexico's problem . I work to support MY family not Pedro's family. You obviously want open borders for 1 of 2 reasons . You are ILLEGAL or you are a Socialist Democrat who wants their votes to stay in power. If you want to ignore Immigration Law then we will ignore Civil Rights Law. Fair is fair, right , entiende hombre. ARREST and DEPORT all ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRIMINALS.

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Since: Oct 07

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#3 Sep 11, 2010
Vet wrote:
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I will explain this one more time though I'm sure you understand. A sovereign nation has the right and obligation to protect its sovereignty . These ILLEGALS premeditate an ILLEGAL invasion of our borders. That makes them ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRIMINALS . I do not give a damn why they come or how hard they work or that they are poor, That is Mexico's problem . I work to support MY family not Pedro's family. You obviously want open borders for 1 of 2 reasons . You are ILLEGAL or you are a Socialist Democrat who wants their votes to stay in power. If you want to ignore Immigration Law then we will ignore Civil Rights Law. Fair is fair, right , entiende hombre. ARREST and DEPORT all ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRIMINALS.
Believe it or not I'm white as they come. No where near being one of these illegal immigrants. I just don't understand it especially when historically Americans stole this land first by driving Indians (and of course a majority of both Indian and whites died from disease) and then we drove out everyone else including the Spanish who had already been colonizing before England.

Yeah, that's the past and this is apparent future, but why must we be so unwelcoming? They're fleeing to what they think is the better country isn't that something Americans should be proud of? You can tell me that sooner or later that an immigrant is going to be chosen for something over me because they get this benefit or that benefit and will work for low wages, but it probably won't change my opinion.

Maybe I am too nice.
Vet

Atlanta, GA

#4 Sep 11, 2010
wildcat_rose09 wrote:
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Believe it or not I'm white as they come. No where near being one of these illegal immigrants. I just don't understand it especially when historically Americans stole this land first by driving Indians (and of course a majority of both Indian and whites died from disease) and then we drove out everyone else including the Spanish who had already been colonizing before England.
Yeah, that's the past and this is apparent future, but why must we be so unwelcoming? They're fleeing to what they think is the better country isn't that something Americans should be proud of? You can tell me that sooner or later that an immigrant is going to be chosen for something over me because they get this benefit or that benefit and will work for low wages, but it probably won't change my opinion.
Maybe I am too nice.
If you want to live in a land without borders, there are none. ARREST and DEPORT. Isn't 20 million enough?

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#5 Sep 11, 2010
Vet wrote:
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If you want to live in a land without borders, there are none. ARREST and DEPORT. Isn't 20 million enough?
I'd much rather be happy that there are different skin colors and cultures in America than see a place filled with white people. I'd go insane and probably end up leaving the country I was born in.
Vet

Atlanta, GA

#6 Sep 11, 2010
wildcat_rose09 wrote:
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I'd much rather be happy that there are different skin colors and cultures in America than see a place filled with white people. I'd go insane and probably end up leaving the country I was born in.
If you think this is NOT a multi cultural society, you are in denial. We are speaking of Immigration law and those who violate it. Not allowing ILLEGALS here in no way prevents us from having ALL colors here.

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#7 Sep 11, 2010
Vet wrote:
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If you think this is NOT a multi cultural society, you are in denial. We are speaking of Immigration law and those who violate it. Not allowing ILLEGALS here in no way prevents us from having ALL colors here.
I know that this is a multi-cultural society. It's a society with no respect for different cultures or people. That's my problem. And I still not understand the whole ILLEGALS thing. There's too many of them here as you've mentioned to gather them up and deport them. Sounds like the round-up Hitler did with the Jews. But I see your argument is solely based on the fact that they are illegal. So what can be done to fix that? I saw the price for them to get a green card and become an American citizen should be reduced. I heard from a friend that she had to pay up to $1,000 dollars.

That's why most of them come here and try to get a job first and then they attempt to maybe take that test or whatever it may be they need to. It's just I wish there were some ounce of respect in this country.
Vet

Atlanta, GA

#8 Sep 11, 2010
wildcat_rose09 wrote:
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I know that this is a multi-cultural society. It's a society with no respect for different cultures or people. That's my problem. And I still not understand the whole ILLEGALS thing. There's too many of them here as you've mentioned to gather them up and deport them. Sounds like the round-up Hitler did with the Jews. But I see your argument is solely based on the fact that they are illegal. So what can be done to fix that? I saw the price for them to get a green card and become an American citizen should be reduced. I heard from a friend that she had to pay up to $1,000 dollars.
That's why most of them come here and try to get a job first and then they attempt to maybe take that test or whatever it may be they need to. It's just I wish there were some ounce of respect in this country.
Lose the "Hitler" argument To expect these ILLEGALS to respect our immigration laws has NO RELATION TO HITLER and you are delusional to say it does. All legal cultures are respected and have the same civil rights and to say differently is a lie. You want to reward ILLEGALS . What do you think the LEGAL immigrants who come and jump through the hoops and learn English and get a job and assimilate think of these ILLEGALS . I have heard them and they abhor the ILLEGALS . You do NOT reward criminal behavior!

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Since: Oct 07

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#9 Sep 13, 2010
Vet wrote:
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Lose the "Hitler" argument To expect these ILLEGALS to respect our immigration laws has NO RELATION TO HITLER and you are delusional to say it does. All legal cultures are respected and have the same civil rights and to say differently is a lie. You want to reward ILLEGALS . What do you think the LEGAL immigrants who come and jump through the hoops and learn English and get a job and assimilate think of these ILLEGALS . I have heard them and they abhor the ILLEGALS . You do NOT reward criminal behavior!
You know what you can call me a liar and you can me delusional. I'm not going to say you're wrong or that you're right either. There's going to be people who will disagree with you and agree with you. Obviously, I have a strange way of thinking about it. Maybe if I did a little more research on the subject my thoughts will change, but perhaps not. Who knows. I'm done arguing with you. And you can sit at your computer reading this with a smug grin telling yourself you've won, but you really haven't. No one wins because the issue of immigration isn't black and white. There is a gray area and you can say that I'm right there in between the side that's for it and the side that's totally against those who break the immigration LAW, like yourself.

But you shouldn't have to call me delusional for having my opinion. Nor a liar and maybe the "Hitler" reason was to far-fetched, but it seems similar when people say things like "all immigrants need to be DEPORTED" It sounds as if you're calling for a round-up...well, maybe it's more similar to that of cattle. Let's round them all up and then boot them out. Yeah, they're breaking laws like you said...anyway, it doesn't make me delusional or a liar for having an opinion.

There's one group that doesn't have a rights like we do if you really think about. It's the most publicly announced one all over the place. Some states accept it, some don't. So on a technicality there's a section of people who don't have complete civil rights. I'm sure you'll say I'm wrong for that too, if you can figure out what I'm talking about. And to say again I'm done with this.
iowan

Oyens, IA

#10 Nov 3, 2010
Absolutely. The rest of the borders states should follow suit. Why is this even a debate?

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Since: Oct 07

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#11 Dec 1, 2010
It is a debate because it raises the issue if morality for most people. Why must Americans or whoever be so condescending of immigrants when what they are only doing is trying to survive no matter how ILLEGAL it is. What has happened to empathy? Is there none anymore?
Vet

Atlanta, GA

#12 Dec 1, 2010
wildcat_rose09 wrote:
It is a debate because it raises the issue if morality for most people. Why must Americans or whoever be so condescending of immigrants when what they are only doing is trying to survive no matter how ILLEGAL it is. What has happened to empathy? Is there none anymore?
I will explain this one more time though I'm sure you understand. A sovereign nation has the right and obligation to protect its sovereignty . These ILLEGALS premeditate an ILLEGAL invasion of our borders. That makes them ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRIMINALS . I do not give a damn why they come or how hard they work or that they are poor, That is Mexico's problem . I work to support MY family not Pedro's family. You obviously want open borders for 1 of 2 reasons . You are ILLEGAL or you are a Socialist Democrat who wants their votes to stay in power. If you want to ignore Immigration Law then we will ignore Civil Rights Law. Fair is fair, right , entiende hombre. ARREST and DEPORT all ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRIMINALS.

If you do not want our laws enforced , then lock and load. We know what to do.
Dude

Rolla, MO

#13 Dec 2, 2010
Vet wrote:
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I will explain this one more time though I'm sure you understand. A sovereign nation has the right and obligation to protect its sovereignty . These ILLEGALS premeditate an ILLEGAL invasion of our borders. That makes them ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRIMINALS . I do not give a damn why they come or how hard they work or that they are poor, That is Mexico's problem . I work to support MY family not Pedro's family. You obviously want open borders for 1 of 2 reasons . You are ILLEGAL or you are a Socialist Democrat who wants their votes to stay in power. If you want to ignore Immigration Law then we will ignore Civil Rights Law. Fair is fair, right , entiende hombre. ARREST and DEPORT all ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRIMINALS.
What you do to the least of my creations, you do to me.
If you do not want our laws enforced , then lock and load. We know what to do.
What you do to the least of my creations, you do to me.

“Where is the love?”

Since: Oct 07

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#15 Dec 3, 2010
Vet wrote:
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I will explain this one more time though I'm sure you understand. A sovereign nation has the right and obligation to protect its sovereignty . These ILLEGALS premeditate an ILLEGAL invasion of our borders. That makes them ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRIMINALS . I do not give a damn why they come or how hard they work or that they are poor, That is Mexico's problem . I work to support MY family not Pedro's family. You obviously want open borders for 1 of 2 reasons . You are ILLEGAL or you are a Socialist Democrat who wants their votes to stay in power. If you want to ignore Immigration Law then we will ignore Civil Rights Law. Fair is fair, right , entiende hombre. ARREST and DEPORT all ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CRIMINALS.
If you do not want our laws enforced , then lock and load. We know what to do.
I actually have no reason for the borders to be open. I'm just I guess an overly sympathetic person of sorts who doesn't really think of the legal matters tied to this issue. I am not an ILLEGAL immigrant nor am I a SOCIALIST Democrat, but views however do lie with the Democrats, if you hadn't figured that out already. I have absolutely no reason for wanting to keep their votes for power. Honestly, that's probably one of the lamest reasons, but I guess the truth is that happens doesn't it?

My sympathetic side for the situation cannot logically intrepret the whole law side of the isse (and you may call me ignorant for that), but the government is screwed up in so many ways. All government is and most of the time all PEOPLE are screwed up no matter gender, race etc. You have your opinion I have mine. And you should know (although I responded) you wasted your time repeating what I should already understand. And yes I do understand your side, but that just sounds mean.

Since: Jan 10

Des Moines

#16 Dec 15, 2010
This has been the biggest subversive influence in our nations history. If you can't win an actual war, the next best thing is to become the majority of voters.

Since: Feb 11

Des Moines, IA

#17 Feb 16, 2011
Illegal means illegal, not come on it and we'll look the other way.
Old Fogy

Miami, FL

#18 Feb 19, 2011
Arguements one way or the other make NO DIFFERENCE !!!!! These are ILLEGALS, period !!!!!! They are criminals the minute they illegally enter the United States. There is no defense for violating any law of this Country. The ONLY solution is DEPORTATION !!!!!!!! Any politican who does not do what his OATH has demanded of him to do is a TRAITOR to this Country. There is no middle ground, FOLLOW the law, ENFORCE the law, the Country will be better for it!!!!
Sondy Vet

Bishopville, MD

#19 Feb 19, 2011
Illegal means ILLEGAL. They increase crime, welfare, medical and education costs. Let's put a stop to it NOW!
Jan from Iowa

Johnston, IA

#20 Feb 20, 2011
Good for Arizona.We are overran here in Iowa,and no one has the ball`s to do anything about it.Sad but true.

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