Immigrant Amnesty Debate - Minneapolis, MN

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Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#1 Nov 29, 2011
It's just another attempt to maintain cheap labor (no unions, no benefits, no minimum wage, no vacations or sick leave) which takes jobs from Americans.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#2 Nov 29, 2011
Hmmm...my post disappeared and it seems no one has posted on this forum for over 8 hours??? That's a bit eerie. What's going on?

Anyway...I said that I oppose this idea of Newts because it is little more than a way to continue with cheap, exploitable labor, thereby taking jobs away from Americans. It also creates an unsustainable drain on our already strained SS, welfare, and health care systems. They need to go back and do it the legal way.
Capt Crunch

Wickenburg, AZ

#4 Nov 29, 2011
After closing the borders, it will be better not to break up long standing families.
Capt Crunch

Wickenburg, AZ

#5 Nov 29, 2011
Couldn't take it, eh, Le Jumbo? I finally gave you more than you could take, and you ran like the coward that you are.
Obamavilles

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Nov 29, 2011
Absolutely disagree with Gingrich. Get to the back of the line. I don't care how long they've been here. They've been breaking the law the whole time. Reagan really screwed up when he did it. Since Reagan, as a conservative, set a precedent more and more illegals think they can come here and have anchor babies hoping for future amnesty. The cycle will continue in the future unless the Feds decide to enforce the immigration laws already on the books.
aclu me

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Nov 29, 2011
cantmakeitup wrote:
Hmmm...my post disappeared and it seems no one has posted on this forum for over 8 hours??? That's a bit eerie. What's going on?
Are you being censored? I though everyone loved you?

Since: Sep 11

Champlin, MN

#8 Nov 29, 2011
aclu me wrote:
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Are you being censored? I though everyone loved you?
You know, for a moment, I wondered. It would be nice of Topix would post some kind of notice that they were having problems.
My guess is they got "blacklisted" somewhere and had to take some time to get it resolved.
Capt Crunch

Fountain Hills, AZ

#9 Nov 30, 2011
cantmakeitup wrote:
Hmmm...my post disappeared and it seems no one has posted on this forum for over 8 hours??? That's a bit eerie. What's going on?
Anyway...I said that I oppose this idea of Newts because it is little more than a way to continue with cheap, exploitable labor, thereby taking jobs away from Americans. It also creates an unsustainable drain on our already strained SS, welfare, and health care systems. They need to go back and do it the legal way.
You actually swallowed the false proposition hook, line and sinker. Newt did not propose amnesty at ant time, in fact, he specifically said that there would be no citizenship granted and that they would not be able to vote.
The gist of his proposal was that all would have to reister in order to gain residence if they had been here 25 years or more, and had been good citizens. Most of those people have raised families here and that it would be cruel to break up such families considering the hardships it would cause.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#10 Nov 30, 2011
Capt Crunch wrote:
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You actually swallowed the false proposition hook, line and sinker. Newt did not propose amnesty at ant time, in fact, he specifically said that there would be no citizenship granted and that they would not be able to vote.
The gist of his proposal was that all would have to reister in order to gain residence if they had been here 25 years or more, and had been good citizens. Most of those people have raised families here and that it would be cruel to break up such families considering the hardships it would cause.
And you have apparently swallowed a good deal of the Newt brand kool aid. A rose by any other name is still a rose. These people broke the law. They likely knew they were breaking the law and should have been aware of the consequences of breaking the law. If that breaks up families, which I agree is tragic, who is at fault for that? They have still been a drain on our health care system and have taken jobs from our citizens.
Go back and get in line like the people who really did it correctly. I would be in favor of giving them some kind of bump to the head of the line at best. What he is proposing is no different than allowing someone who committed say, several rapes, but did not get caught for 25 yrs, to not be held accountable for the crime he committed because he stayed out of trouble all that time and behaved himself. But that's ok because now he is registered.
It's still amnesty not matter how he spins it.
Capt Crunch

Fountain Hills, AZ

#12 Nov 30, 2011
cantmakeitup wrote:
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And you have apparently swallowed a good deal of the Newt brand kool aid. A rose by any other name is still a rose. These people broke the law. They likely knew they were breaking the law and should have been aware of the consequences of breaking the law. If that breaks up families, which I agree is tragic, who is at fault for that? They have still been a drain on our health care system and have taken jobs from our citizens.
Go back and get in line like the people who really did it correctly. I would be in favor of giving them some kind of bump to the head of the line at best. What he is proposing is no different than allowing someone who committed say, several rapes, but did not get caught for 25 yrs, to not be held accountable for the crime he committed because he stayed out of trouble all that time and behaved himself. But that's ok because now he is registered.
It's still amnesty not matter how he spins it.
It is easy to contradict yourself when you are talking about removing 11 to 14 million people from this country to their homeland. The logistics of such a program are staggering. You want all pof them reoved but you want them placed at the head of the line for readmission. That is the typical waffleing solution practiced by someone who only takes a stand when an idea is popular, and places the deported first in line for admission and therefor amnesty. You can't always have it both ways just to avoid critisizm. Quit straddling the fence, it's harmful to your cojones.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#13 Nov 30, 2011
Capt Crunch wrote:
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It is easy to contradict yourself when you are talking about removing 11 to 14 million people from this country to their homeland. The logistics of such a program are staggering. You want all pof them reoved but you want them placed at the head of the line for readmission. That is the typical waffleing solution practiced by someone who only takes a stand when an idea is popular, and places the deported first in line for admission and therefor amnesty. You can't always have it both ways just to avoid critisizm. Quit straddling the fence, it's harmful to your cojones.
I'm not straddling anything. And I don't mind criticism (much) when it is warranted. They need to go and yes, it would be a logistical nightmare. But not impossible. Allowing them to return and apply for citizenship through the proper channels is not amnesty. Neither is giving some preference to those who have been here for 25 yrs or more waffling but taking in to consideration any contribution they might have made to society as well as helping keep their families together.
Prosecuting and imprisoning them is not an option and the cost would be monumental.
A large number of that 14 million (and that's a low estimate) have not been here that long and have not established themselves and have brought us nothing but grief. They have bled California to death which is California's own dumb fault. They have also committed other crimes including welfare fraud, probably voter fraud, and any number of felonies and misdemeanors.
They need to go without any kind of preferential treatment and if they have been convicted of crimes, never let back in.
Believing that Newts idea is not amnesty? Now that is waffling. What, it's not amnesty because Newt proposed the idea?
Letting them all stay but not allowing them to be citizens or vote and making them register like dogs and cats at the pound?
"Allowing" them to register and stay so they can continue to work the fields for a few dollars a day because Americans won't do those jobs for that kind of money?
Hmm...what would that be called? Slavery is too strong a word. Maybe indentured servitude?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/26/ba...
From the article linked above...and he mentions only 11 million illegals..how does that number keep going down?
"Gingrich said Thursday he's in favor of "deporting all recent unattached illegals." He said he then wants a "local citizen panel" to consider whether law-abiding, taxpaying illegal immigrants who have been here 25 years or more "and have family and community" should be allowed to stay.
Gingrich, citing a plan from the Vernon K. Krieble Foundation, said some of those individuals could get a "red card" allowing them to be legal, but not giving them a path to citizenship or the right the vote."
Now how does Newt figure they are "law-abiding, taxpaying illegal immigrants"?
It's pretty obvious to most that they can't be very law-abiding if they are illegal.
None of this will do any good if we don't secure the border first and foremost and no one in Washington wants to commit to that. No one in Washington wants to lose the support of, in the case of democrats, the hispanic votes and the unions who want to get their hands on the illegals for dues, or the republicans who don't want to lose their support for cheap, disposable labor for their contributors.
There is no "easy" answer.
Buckys Mom

West Covina, CA

#14 Nov 30, 2011
Bucky wrote:
<quoted text>You are a raving lunatic.
Bucky, clean up that basement son. Quit raiding the fridge and take out the trash before leave to pick up your welfare check. Good boy.
Bucky

Minneapolis, MN

#15 Nov 30, 2011
Buckys Mom wrote:
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Bucky, clean up that basement son. Quit raiding the fridge and take out the trash before leave to pick up your welfare check. Good boy.
I've got direct deposit on the welfare check so that I have more time to post pithy comments on topix. Thanks for caring, Mom.
Capt Crunch

Fountain Hills, AZ

#16 Nov 30, 2011
cantmakeitup wrote:
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I'm not straddling anything. And I don't mind criticism (much) when it is warranted. They need to go and yes, it would be a logistical nightmare. But not impossible. Allowing them to return and apply for citizenship through the proper channels is not amnesty. Neither is giving some preference to those who have been here for 25 yrs or more waffling but taking in to consideration any contribution they might have made to society as well as helping keep their families together.
Prosecuting and imprisoning them is not an option and the cost would be monumental.
A large number of that 14 million (and that's a low estimate) have not been here that long and have not established themselves and have brought us nothing but grief. They have bled California to death which is California's own dumb fault. They have also committed other crimes including welfare fraud, probably voter fraud, and any number of felonies and misdemeanors.
They need to go without any kind of preferential treatment and if they have been convicted of crimes, never let back in.
Believing that Newts idea is not amnesty? Now that is waffling. What, it's not amnesty because Newt proposed the idea?
Letting them all stay but not allowing them to be citizens or vote and making them register like dogs and cats at the pound?
"Allowing" them to register and stay so they can continue to work the fields for a few dollars a day because Americans won't do those jobs for that kind of money?
Hmm...what would that be called? Slavery is too strong a word. Maybe indentured servitude?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/26/ba...
From the article linked above...and he mentions only 11 million illegals..how does that number keep going down?
"Gingrich said Thursday he's in favor of "deporting all recent unattached illegals." He said he then wants a "local citizen panel" to consider whether law-abiding, taxpaying illegal immigrants who have been here 25 years or more "and have family and community" should be allowed to stay.
Gingrich, citing a plan from the Vernon K. Krieble Foundation, said some of those individuals could get a "red card" allowing them to be legal, but not giving them a path to citizenship or the right the vote."
Now how does Newt figure they are "law-abiding, taxpaying illegal immigrants"?
It's pretty obvious to most that they can't be very law-abiding if they are illegal.
None of this will do any good if we don't secure the border first and foremost and no one in Washington wants to commit to that. No one in Washington wants to lose the support of, in the case of democrats, the hispanic votes and the unions who want to get their hands on the illegals for dues, or the republicans who don't want to lose their support for cheap, disposable labor for their contributors.
There is no "easy" answer.
Allowing deported illegals to be at the head of the line for readmission ,as you suggested, would certainly amount to amnesty. "Register like dogs and cats at the pound?" Is that the way you feel when you go to vote? "Do the work that Americans won't." If the proud Americans are taken off the dole, I guarantee you, they will do the work. It is not slavery to be willing to work for whatever it takes to feed and care for your family. It is called resposibility, a word that does not have much credence in todays dependent society.
The federal Government has decided that the act of crossing the border is not a punishable crime, so Newt was referring to criminal act committed after crossing the border, so being a good citizen depends on your activities after reaching here. Your last paragraph does make sense, but hardly justifies the preceeding "feel good" garbage that preceeded it.
Capt Crunch

Fountain Hills, AZ

#17 Nov 30, 2011
He's right
CRASSUS

Green Bay, WI

#18 Nov 30, 2011
My family worked damm hard to build this country. They fought wars and built highways. Not so millions of hardheaded dampbacks could sneak in and reap the benefits. And not so millions of stupid American hating liberals could make it easy for them.
Capt Crunch

Sedona, AZ

#19 Nov 30, 2011
CRASSUS wrote:
My family worked damm hard to build this country. They fought wars and built highways. Not so millions of hardheaded dampbacks could sneak in and reap the benefits. And not so millions of stupid American hating liberals could make it easy for them.
If you think that stoop and bend farm work is reaping the benefits, there are a lot of benefits out there for you to reap. But I do agree heartily that the herd needs desperately to be thinned.

Since: Sep 11

Champlin, MN

#20 Nov 30, 2011
Capt Crunch wrote:
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Allowing deported illegals to be at the head of the line for readmission ,as you suggested, would certainly amount to amnesty. "Register like dogs and cats at the pound?" Is that the way you feel when you go to vote? "Do the work that Americans won't." If the proud Americans are taken off the dole, I guarantee you, they will do the work. It is not slavery to be willing to work for whatever it takes to feed and care for your family. It is called resposibility, a word that does not have much credence in todays dependent society.
The federal Government has decided that the act of crossing the border is not a punishable crime, so Newt was referring to criminal act committed after crossing the border, so being a good citizen depends on your activities after reaching here. Your last paragraph does make sense, but hardly justifies the preceeding "feel good" garbage that preceeded it.
I see the points of your commentary. I concede that allowing preferential re-entry can be construed as just another a form of amnesty. You always keep me on my toes Capt. I still think Newt is full of himself and is just trying to appeal to the Hispanic vote. That "feel good" garbage you mentioned is an attempt to address the fact that although I believe they should go, it is not just a "black and white" issue.(most issues are not black and white)
Bucky

Minneapolis, MN

#21 Dec 1, 2011
CRASSUS wrote:
My family worked damm hard to build this country. They fought wars and built highways. Not so millions of hardheaded dampbacks could sneak in and reap the benefits. And not so millions of stupid American hating liberals could make it easy for them.
You sound very angry that the "dampbacks" as you call them are here taking away our benefits. What exactly have they taken from YOU. Are your government benefits not large enough, CRASSUS? Of course, liberals have not fought wars or built highways for our country in YOUR alternate history of the country. You may have a good point but stop the righteous indignation crap!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#24 Dec 1, 2011
HARRYS LAW wrote:
<quoted text> if was just the farm labour that would be one thing, but they’re taking all sorts of manufacturing, construction and many other blue collar jobs, this is the problem.
Perhaps we should actually start penalizing the US "citizens" that hire them for those jobs?

As long as there is work to be had, they will come here.

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