Health Care Debate - Waycross, GA

[Deb]

We can't even take care of the people on social Security, no raise, what are the elderly going to do?????? Fix that first !!!!

[big john]

we need the health care

[Tuvok]

big john wrote:

we need the health care

Oh Yeah we need it? Like shooting our selves in the foot with a gun. I guess you have not been keeping up with what it is going to cost you out of your pocket.

1. lets use the income here in Waycross of most people of around $16,000 20.000.00 a year, this is going to add about 150 to 200 more a month to the budget. Oh yeah we need this like a whole in head.

2 Then it will Be like a lot of the services the V.A have in which I can speck off Being a disabled Vet my self.( which the white house has compared this to)
(A)First you will only get to see your doctor once a year unless your are really sick.
(B) If you Need a test done you could wait several month for it to be done unless you are dying at the time then you till be moved to the front of the line ifyou are lucky and if the equipment is in your area.
(C) The chances of getting a doctor that can speak English I think will get higher, A lot of them can barely speak broken English which is so hard to understand and they can not understand you most of the time. There are many Doctors at the V.A. That speak almost no English at all they just look at you and write things in your folder and talk to there nurse who tells them what you are saying. But they work there because the V.A. can not get anyone else to work there..Case in point the V.A. Clinic in Valdosta Ga lost 2 Doctors last June and they can not get anyone to replace them.
(D) Thanks to the upcoming health plan when you get older they( your Doctor) will talk you into ending your life early so you will not be a burden cost wise on your family and everyone else, The President Just had the V.A. put this back in there system and a lot of Vet's are upset about this. Telling someone that is old to end there life just because they are old to save money is uncalled for.

YEP WE REALLY NEED THIS HEALTH CARE PLAN.(NOT)

[Bored in Waycross]

I have a good reply, but it will just offend you.

[big john]

tuvok,i allready told you to stfu,,,,,you are just another ignorant republican with no self worth

[Tuvok]

Lets qoute the new law ( If you do not buy health care you can/will go to jail for 5 years or/and pay $250.000 fine) Now in saying this if a person loses there job and can not pay for health care under this plan they can go to jail, If they are married and have children, MOM and DAD can go to jail and the state can take the children...What a great plan..Yeah we need this plan..NOT..

[pops]

Yes it will be free NO cost to any one. So the man says

[Amelia]

I cannot afford the cost of health care at the present level and I hae prexisting conditions that would limit what I would have to pay vast amounts of money for.

[Amelia]

ok where has anyone ready what is actually purposed in the health care bill? I am not asking for what news casters or your uncle down the street has told you, but have you actually read any copy of the said bill? If so please enlighten us here and give us an internet addres so we can all go read the copy.
Then I can say if I am for or against it. I am not a sheep and perfectly capale of reading a document and understanding it for myself.

[Tuvok]

Amelia wrote:

ok where has anyone ready what is actually purposed in the health care bill? I am not asking for what news casters or your uncle down the street has told you, but have you actually read any copy of the said bill? If so please enlighten us here and give us an internet addres so we can all go read the copy.
Then I can say if I am for or against it. I am not a sheep and perfectly capale of reading a document and understanding it for myself.

There are several places on the internet that you can go to and down load the plan and read it. It is over 2000 pages long and so good reading...I can not think of any place where you can read it page by page on line but I would think there is some place. But most places let you down load it because it takes a while to read it..
But there are different types of the health care bill so the one you read on line is not the one they are talking about today because of voting in and out of certon things in Washington D.C. So be prepard for a lot of reading.

[cibolo]

Tuvok wrote:

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There are several places on the internet that you can go to and down load the plan and read it. It is over 2000 pages long and so good reading...I can not think of any place where you can read it page by page on line but I would think there is some place. But most places let you down load it because it takes a while to read it..
But there are different types of the health care bill so the one you read on line is not the one they are talking about today because of voting in and out of certon things in Washington D.C. So be prepard for a lot of reading.

Tuvok,its no wonder your lazy, shit for brains sorry ass can't find a job,u waste to much time posting silly ,inane crap on Topix that nobody gives a shit about,hope u rot in Waycrapp for the rest of your pathetic excuse for a life

[Tuvok]

cibolo wrote:

<quoted text>Tuvok,its no wonder your lazy, shit for brains sorry ass can't find a job,u waste to much time posting silly ,inane crap on Topix that nobody gives a shit about,hope u rot in Waycrapp for the rest of your pathetic excuse for a life

Troll or Cry Baby what are you??? Or just plain insane most likely!

[cibolo]

Tuvok wrote:

<quoted text>Troll or Cry Baby what are you??? Or just plain insane most likely!

Insane?...your the dumbf**k still in Waycrapp!

[Amelia]

Tuvok wrote:

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There are several places on the internet that you can go to and down load the plan and read it. It is over 2000 pages long and so good reading...I can not think of any place where you can read it page by page on line but I would think there is some place. But most places let you down load it because it takes a while to read it..
But there are different types of the health care bill so the one you read on line is not the one they are talking about today because of voting in and out of certon things in Washington D.C. So be prepard for a lot of reading.

So there are o actual copies of the bill they are debating right now for people to read and understand for themselves? How, then is it possible for us to make any kind of informed decision on if we are for or against something we have not even ready a primary copy of?

[Tuvok]

Amelia wrote:

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So there are o actual copies of the bill they are debating right now for people to read and understand for themselves? How, then is it possible for us to make any kind of informed decision on if we are for or against something we have not even ready a primary copy of?

There is a copy of the one from the House, One from the senate which they will combine which they are trying to work on know, But then you have liberals, Democrats and Republicans who are fighting for what they are each thing what is right.
I have read bits and peace’s of it and it is going to cost people more money in the long run. Seniors will lose there medicare in cuts, People that do not get insurance will be fined around $1000.00 a year and could spend up to 5 years in federal jail or $500.00 or 1 year in state jail.
Which I have hard time understanding who will take care of peoples children if a young couple can not afford to buy insurance? Also who will go after all these real bad people?
Along with these bills there is a lot of pork that our fine people in Washington are suppose to be weeding out but it will not happen because it is called vote buying.

The best thing to do is Email your local Congressman and ask him for a web site for the latest updated version of the health care bill

[Amelia]

Tuvok wrote:

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There is a copy of the one from the House, One from the senate which they will combine which they are trying to work on know, But then you have liberals, Democrats and Republicans who are fighting for what they are each thing what is right.
I have read bits and peace’s of it and it is going to cost people more money in the long run. Seniors will lose there medicare in cuts, People that do not get insurance will be fined around $1000.00 a year and could spend up to 5 years in federal jail or $500.00 or 1 year in state jail.
Which I have hard time understanding who will take care of peoples children if a young couple can not afford to buy insurance? Also who will go after all these real bad people?
Along with these bills there is a lot of pork that our fine people in Washington are suppose to be weeding out but it will not happen because it is called vote buying.
The best thing to do is Email your local Congressman and ask him for a web site for the latest updated version of the health care bill

Thank you for the advice on contacting my comgressman, that I can take. The whole idea of bit and pieces is what is makeing thsi issue so confusing for everyone I think. If I can find a link to a site listing the entire bil from the house and one from the senate I will post it here. As americans we are swayed far too much by any kind of media or hear say to jedge what a thing actually is anymore and we have become very complacent with letthing others think for us. It is a bad trend that will end up makeing look like a bunch of sheep following which ever newscaster we happen to like.

[Amelia]

LOL and please excuse my typos things are very busy here. : )

[Tuvok]

It is hard to say what is going to be in the bill until the finally draft is done and everyone has had a piece of the pie and everyone is happy( Senators and Congressmen.) But in the long run it is the people that will get run over like a run away freight train. There has never been a government run program that ever saved the people money. I like most people believe this is one of many programs that is going to bankrupt this country..I mean what is anther 2 or 3 Trillion Dollars we do not have???
We will just ration health care to the young and let the older people die, Or encourage them to die early because it is a burden on there Family to keep there from suffering. I know this part for a fact. I have seen it put back into the V.A. Health Care Code System as a option for long term care and as a option for the Vet to think about withholding curtain care to there self’s to end there life early so in order to put less stress on there Family’s.
This is because as you get older your medical cost on a lot of people sore way up this way if they can talk you into dying by not taking any options to extend your life you will die sooner than later this way saving money by the Billions every years to the government

[rightwinger]

big john wrote:

we need the health care

True we need healthcare. Not this healthcare bill by these thugs in washington who are trying to push this through in middle of night. Does anyone really khow whats in it. Pay into it for 10 years to get six years of healthcare. Fuzzy math, higher taxes, made in Congress.