Health Care Debate - Walnut Cove, NC

[Anonymous]

No one should have to die because the are not insured or under insured.. No one should learn that their mother, father, grandpa or grandma or anyone they care about can not have the medical treatment they need because the Insurance Company said no... No American Citizen should have to worry about losing everything they have to afford Insurance.. NO ONE!

[Change]

I am happy with my insurance and others can afford it, however they had rather spend their money on cigarettes and alcohol.

[Anonymous]

Change wrote:

I am happy with my insurance and others can afford it, however they had rather spend their money on cigarettes and alcohol.

Did you know that every 5 hours an American dies due to lack of Health Care..

My Daughter doesn't have Health Care and neither does my son cause they can not afford it.. Right now my daughter has need of an operation, but we can not afford it so she suffers.

No one is asking you to give up your insurance if you like it, but wouldn't it be nice if it was less expensive. Wouldn't it be much nicer if the Insurance Company couldn't terminate you or raise your cost up to the point you could no longer afford it. Wouldn't you like it more if the Doctors orders for a particular treatment can not be denied by a Nurse or someone who doesn't know your condition?

Think!

[Change]

Well for starters, the insurance company cannot deny you your right to have a surgery or procedure, all they can do is deny to pay the claim, and there are many insurance companies out there who offer a very reasonable rate, but you may experience a higher deductible. Under the Obama plan I will not be able to keep my current insurance, I will have to get my insurance under a government plan. Don't you think some kind of tax incentive for example 5K back a year to go toward paying for your own insurance, from a company you choose, would be a better asset to you. I am not for giving the government control of my health insurance, they have to much control as it is now.

And as for cheap government insurance, we already have that inplace, and all of us who work pay for it, it's called Medicaid. We wouldn't have this insurance problem if those who could work would and would take responsibility for their affairs without wanting someone to do it for them, because they feel they are owed it in some way. Then you have every illegal going to the hospital ER for the most minor junk.

Just my opinion. Thanks

[Anonymous]

Change wrote:

Well for starters, the insurance company cannot deny you your right to have a surgery or procedure, all they can do is deny to pay the claim, and there are many insurance companies out there who offer a very reasonable rate, but you may experience a higher deductible.

By virtue of the Insurance Company deny paying for my operation they have prevented me from having the Operation because I can not afford to pay for the operation out of pocket..

Change wrote:

Under the Obama plan I will not be able to keep my current insurance, I will have to get my insurance under a government plan.

This I do not believe.. The President has already said that if you like the plan you have not you will be able to keep it with no questions asked.

As long as you have Insurance Coverage you will not have to choose the Government Plan..

Change wrote:

Don't you think some kind of tax incentive for example 5K back a year to go toward paying for your own insurance, from a company you choose, would be a better asset to you.

A Tax Incentive Hmm.. Let's say the $5,000 Tax Incentive you suggested.. A $5,000 Tax Incentive at a 15% Tax Rate boils down to $750.00 off the amount of taxes owed if you owed any at all.. That wouldn't pay for a month insurance coverage for a family of 3 at the current rate.. My guess is that by next year it would pay for even less..

No Real Competition between Insurance Companies is what we need the most which Obama's Plan is trying to restart.

Change wrote:

I am not for giving the government control of my health insurance, they have to much control as it is now.

Now tell me what control would the Government have over an Insurance Plan you pick for you and your family that due to the competition between the Insurance Companies the Public Option sould bring about would mean less money out of your pocket for the premium.

No anyone on Medicare? Ask them how they like it also keep in mind The Government is the Sole Provider of that.

Change wrote:

And as for cheap government insurance, we already have that inplace, and all of us who work pay for it, it's called Medicaid.

I'm so sorry, you feel that way.. Don't you think you owe something to help out your fellow man? You have any friends who have a family with children who are working everyday and still can afford Medical Insurance or can not afford to use the Insurance they have got.. Do you think it is right for that friend of your to lose everything they have simply because they got sick?

Change wrote:

We wouldn't have this insurance problem if those who could work would and would take responsibility for their affairs without wanting someone to do it for them, because they feel they are owed it in some way.

My family and I have lived on Welfare before and glad we had it. As far as working goes.. When we were on Welfare I worked each and everyday usually 10 hours a day 5 or 6 days aweek for the City of Bluefield for the Welfare I received which included Medicaid. And I was very responsible for my own affairs.

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[Anonymous]

Change wrote:

Then you have every illegal going to the hospital ER for the most minor junk.
Just my opinion. Thanks

Hey they already do that as do Americans. Would you rather pay for the Mexicans to go to the ER or would you rather catch the illness they have by having to be around them in stores and touching the same things you touch.. You know where the Swine Flu we have came from? Mexico.

I'm going to try and explain something to you and I want you to think about it before you respond..

Socialism takes away choice and frowns on Competition..

Capitalism insist on Competition which gives us the ability to choose what is best for us.

Now If you have listen well to what Obama has said you heard "you will not have to change from the Medical Coverage Plan you have now..

You make keep it".. Such words indicate Choice. As things are now could you pick another Insurance Company if you so wished or is that choice taken away from you because the Company you work for says NO!

Now for Competition.. If you heard what Obama has said about the Public Option and if you have thought about, you could see that the Insurance Companies are happy with the Status Que and their price structures have no true competition in them, but you add a Public Option to the mix and you will see the Insurance Companies competing for your Insurance Dollar.

Now Obama has offered Choice and Competition.. If you do not like Choice and Competition which is what Capitalism is based upon, I would suggest you look for a world the Glenn Beck's and the Rush Limbaugh's of the world offer because what they offer is not Capitalism is it Socialism!

[Country Girl]

GLENN BECK should be president.He has more common sense than anyone up there in Washington. You talk about choice and competition.The poor people who have lost their jobs have neither.Why did they loose their jobs? Because Pres. Clinton passed the NAFTA BILL when he was in.The people in Washington have no common sense. The government dont know why the taxes coming in have slowed down.DUH.... There are no jobs here hardly anymore DUMBUTS.Try to have a little common sense.Thats also whats wrong with the economy going down. NO JOBS.wHATS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?Also, who wants insurance controlled by the government? I for one dont. They control us enough already. WE are gradualy going to communism. The people need to stand up for what they believe in os this country is going to HELL in a handbag.

[Anonymous]

Country Girl wrote:

GLENN BECK should be president.He has more common sense than anyone up there in Washington.

We will have to disagree on Beck..

Country Girl wrote:

You talk about choice and competition.The poor people who have lost their jobs have neither.Why did they loose their jobs? Because Pres. Clinton passed the NAFTA BILL when he was in.

Actually NAFTA was a brain child of Ronald Reagan.. Bush I added his pound of flesh to it. The Clinton got it and did his share of editing the NAFTA thank God! Cause God only knows what shape we would be in if Bush I Passed it.. But Clinton had no choice but to pass the Bill cause if Bush II would have gotten it, he would have given the kitchen sink to Mexico.. So ya should be thankful Clinton added his 2 cent to the bill.

Country Girl wrote:

The people in Washington have no common sense. The government dont know why the taxes coming in have slowed down.DUH.... There are no jobs here hardly anymore DUMBUTS.Try to have a little common sense.Thats also whats wrong with the economy going down. NO JOBS.wHATS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

Exactly

Country Girl wrote:

Also, who wants insurance controlled by the government? I for one dont. They control us enough already.

You know anything about who pays for and who the Sole Provider for Medicare/Medicaid? You remind me of the lady who said, "I don't want the government to touch my Medicare" I'm sure by now she realizes the Government not only controls her Medicare/Medicaid, but the Government is also the SOLE PROVIDER..

Country Girl wrote:

WE are gradualy going to communism. The people need to stand up for what they believe in os this country is going to HELL in a handbag.

In Socialism/Communism one does not have a choice because that is taken away from them right off the bat.

In Socialism/Communism there is no Competition because there can be no free enterprise.

So far the System Beck and Limbaugh are promoting is a Socialist System

Capitalism is a Free Market Economy that provides Competition in the Markets and Free Choice for for those who make up those Markets.

Obama is promoting Capitalism because he is Promoting a Free Market, Competition and Freedom of Choice in his Health Care Reform Plan..

Remember even the Republicans say Beck doesn't represent the Republican Party.. Also keep in mind Beck/Limbaugh are only Entertainers. God be with us if people start taking them very serious.

[Change]

Mr. Jones, I have to respectfully disagree with you on our opinions. For starters, I for one do not think that I should have to pay for my fellow man, not you or anyone else, but in reality yes I already am with Medicaid. Do I want to pay more. The answer is no. The point has beed brung up about their not being any available jobs. Well the job pool has dwindled down, even for those with higher education. But let me pose this; Who creates jobs, whether it is small business or large corporation jobs. The answer would be the highly intelligent and wealthy. You do not see poor folks out here creating jobs. Now with the added taxes to the wealthy and the mandantory Health Insurance coverage that all businesses employing more than 5 people will have to add thanks to Obama, who is going to start looking for ways to cut cost, and who is going to pay for the price increases of the products / services they provide. That would be us.

As far as having current insurance through an employer, such as Blue Cross Blue Shield and another government plan insurance which I hope does not come into effect, who do you think the employer is going to get their insurance from. Not the best company with the most benefits, but from the cheapest. If a gov't plan is cheaper and cuts benefits 1/2 then who do you think they will choose.

[Change]

On another note, sorry about your daughter and her lack of surgery. However you said that since the insurance company would deny the claim, then they coldn't have the surgery. There are payment options, there are supplemental plans, and there are loans that are available. All one has to do is work to pay back the money that is owed. I am a firm believer in working to get what you have. I feel that I owe no-one anything except for the lord above. If people want things they need to get off of their tails and work for it and stop depending on the government to give everything to them.

You must not be too familiar with the hospital ED system, I see it quite alot due to my job there, and let me tell you that people years ago would not think about going to an ED unless they had an emergency. Now people are using it as a doctors office, why you ask, because they are sorry excuses for people. They give false names, addresses, and don't have insurance, and expect everyone else to pick up their tab. Same goes with ambulances, since when is it more convenient to call an ambulance for a dr. appt. or to go to the hospital than either drive yourself there or have friends or family drive you there?

[Change]

By the way, Obama is not promoting a free market, he is promoting a larger government, with the government controlling even more of our lives. I enjoy being able to make decisions for me and my family, I don't need the government to make them for me. I do agree with you as far as Beck and Rush, they are just entertainers, and people should make up their own minds for themselves and not listen to the opinions of entertainers.

[broken wheel]

No to government

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[Change]

1 more question, how old are your children, and are they employed, and do they have children?

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[Anonymous]

Change wrote:

Mr. Jones, I have to respectfully disagree with you on our opinions.

Please FJ if you don't mind.. As far as your disagreement with me, no problem. You are entitled to your opinion and it is as important as the President's Opinion..

Change wrote:

For starters, I for one do not think that I should have to pay for my fellow man, not you or anyone else, but in reality yes I already am with Medicaid. Do I want to pay more.

So you do not think you should have to pay to help someone else (your fellow man) an yet someone is paying to help you. Can you see the hypocrisy in your comment.. Or am I just not understanding what you are trying to say? No insult intended of course.

I mean here you are depending on the help of others while you do not think you are obliged to help others in your same position. I guess you are entitled to your own belief.

Change wrote:

The answer is no. The point has beed brung up about their not being any available jobs. Well the job pool has dwindled down, even for those with higher education. But let me pose this; Who creates jobs, whether it is small business or large corporation jobs. The answer would be the highly intelligent and wealthy. You do not see poor folks out here creating jobs.

I disagree on your point that only Super Intelligent Wealthy People are the only one's who creates jobs. I know people who act like they are as dumb as a box of rocks when ya first meet them.. After ya talk to the you soon realize they are as dump as a Box of Rocks.. They are even a bit slow and never had a penny to their name.. However now they are very wealthy and not because of the Lottery.. Because they worked and they worked hard and long. They came to a conclusion while working that they needed help so they hired another hard worker and then another and so on..

In West Virginia I seen "Poor Folk" working not to be poor.. How do you think the large companies started? HARD WORK.. Never short sell the Working Poor.. And these I call Working Poor will give you the shirt off their backs to strangers.. They believe they are their "Brothers keeper".

Change wrote:

Now with the added taxes to the wealthy and the mandantory Health Insurance coverage that all businesses employing more than 5 people will have to add thanks to Obama, who is going to start looking for ways to cut cost, and who is going to pay for the price increases of the products / services they provide. That would be us.

I'm sorry I believed President Obama when he said he would not sign a Bill that would add anymore to the Red Ink the USofA is in right now..

Now the tax on the Wealthy is due.. They been Bleeding the Working Poor for the last 8 years about time we get some of that money back.. Anyway it is a fact that Reagan's Trickle Down Theory just benefits the rich..

Change wrote:

As far as having current insurance through an employer, such as Blue Cross Blue Shield and another government plan insurance which I hope does not come into effect, who do you think the employer is going to get their insurance from. Not the best company with the most benefits, but from the cheapest. If a gov't plan is cheaper and cuts benefits 1/2 then who do you think they will choose.

[Anonymous]

Change wrote:

1 more question, how old are your children, and are they employed, and do they have children?

I have four children, four grandsons, 5 granddaughters and a great Grandbaby.

My two youngest are working and though all have jobs and are doing fine they can not afford to by Medical Insurance.

And yourself?

[Anonymous]

Change wrote:

On another note, sorry about your daughter and her lack of surgery. However you said that since the insurance company would deny the claim, then they coldn't have the surgery. There are payment options, there are supplemental plans, and there are loans that are available. All one has to do is work to pay back the money that is owed. I am a firm believer in working to get what you have. I feel that I owe no-one anything except for the lord above. If people want things they need to get off of their tails and work for it and stop depending on the government to give everything to them.
You must not be too familiar with the hospital ED system, I see it quite alot due to my job there, and let me tell you that people years ago would not think about going to an ED unless they had an emergency. Now people are using it as a doctors office, why you ask, because they are sorry excuses for people. They give false names, addresses, and don't have insurance, and expect everyone else to pick up their tab. Same goes with ambulances, since when is it more convenient to call an ambulance for a dr. appt. or to go to the hospital than either drive yourself there or have friends or family drive you there?

I'm so sorry, but I've got nothing else to say to you.. Especially since you are accepting help from the Governments Medicaid and don't think others should get the same Government Help you are getting.. I am Christian and firmly believe "we are our brother's keepers" as noted in the Bible.. But I guess you have your own thought on the Bible as well..

May God Soften your heart to the needs of others.

[Anonymous]

broken wheel wrote:

No to government

So now you are Anti-government?

[Anonymous]

There are many of us who believe that everyone is entitled to quality health care, regardless of their financial situation. The United States is the only advanced, Western country without universal health care--Canada, France, the UK, Germany, etc. have determined, and rightfully so, that health care is a basic human right (even Cuba has figured it out--go rent 'Sicko'). As for those who 'don't want to pay for their fellow man', what a selfish and narrow-minded view--thank goodness everyone doesn't feel that way about those who need help. Many things (that we all use and enjoy) are publically funded through taxes--things that serve the greater good: schools, roads, parks, museums. And what about medicaid/medicare, mortgage interest tax deductions, tax deductable retirement plans--I don't hear too many complaints from those who use these tax-payer-sponsored programs.