Health Care Debate - Springfield, MO

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JZ

North Liberty, IA

#1 Sep 18, 2009
Health care should be a basic human right. Other developed countries do a better job of ensuring basic health care. NO ONE should go broke because of sickness or injury
Diamond

Cedar Rapids, IA

#2 Sep 20, 2009
Health care will become a basic human right when doctors start working for nothing. It's a silly proposal.

Health care can become a "right" when people start doing what is "right." And, that's to work and become productive members of society, independent of others for assistance.

Should Joe Crackhead's medical bills be paid out of Joe WorkAllDay's paycheck? No, not one dime! WorkAllDay has his own health and that of his family to manage. He's not responsible for Crackhead's irresponsibility.
billd

Toccoa, GA

#3 Sep 20, 2009
Healthcare is not a basic human right. It is not the government's responsibilty to provide for healthcare,
SuZ

United States

#4 Sep 20, 2009
I think a Dr. takes an oath for a reason and the majority are forgetting that reason for the almighty dollar.
Example ... baby goes to Dr. FEE
Dr. give antibiotic but only after 2ND visit because you didn't allow baby to get close enough to deaths door the 1st time.
So 2ND visit Dr. gives antibiotic which the one they prescribed will likely cause thrush ... call to Dr. baby has thrush.
..oh bring baby back in for another office visit FEE (instead of connecting it with the visit should be associated with)... 3 days later as one would expect... baby has rash on butt from thrush which traveled through the system now baby needs butt cream w/ antifungal ..gotta yet pay another for another visit FEE.
Oh and then don't forget that follow up visit FEE.. which in reality was paid for 4 times over.

I used this as the example because little ones are sick all the time and this is something that happens more than a few times a year.

and to the dumbazz that thinks he should not have to worry about crackhead's URI that unknown to him in a few days will become everyone around crackheads URI passed to the child sitting next to his child in school ... well when in time your life takes that turn you might just want that table to turn ...when you start seeing what the true cost of neglecting health care can cost a community as a whole.

Where are we on the Swine Flu situation right now? any update?
SuZ

United States

#5 Sep 20, 2009
Diamond wrote:
Health care will become a basic human right when doctors start working for nothing. It's a silly proposal.
Health care can become a "right" when people start doing what is "right." And, that's to work and become productive members of society, independent of others for assistance.
Should Joe Crackhead's medical bills be paid out of Joe WorkAllDay's paycheck? No, not one dime! WorkAllDay has his own health and that of his family to manage. He's not responsible for Crackhead's irresponsibility.
So when due to some unexpected situation you become unable to as you put it...
"work and become productive members of
society, independent of others for assistance."

Expect your words to bite you in the butt.
It happens guy and you aren't above it.
Your attitude might be...but sit back and watch.
StephanRogers

Cedar Rapids, IA

#6 Sep 20, 2009
SuZ wrote:
I think a Dr. takes an oath for a reason and the majority are forgetting that reason for the almighty dollar.
Example ... baby goes to Dr. FEE
Dr. give antibiotic but only after 2ND visit because you didn't allow baby to get close enough to deaths door the 1st time.
So 2ND visit Dr. gives antibiotic which the one they prescribed will likely cause thrush ... call to Dr. baby has thrush.
..oh bring baby back in for another office visit FEE (instead of connecting it with the visit should be associated with)... 3 days later as one would expect... baby has rash on butt from thrush which traveled through the system now baby needs butt cream w/ antifungal ..gotta yet pay another for another visit FEE.
Oh and then don't forget that follow up visit FEE.. which in reality was paid for 4 times over.
I used this as the example because little ones are sick all the time and this is something that happens more than a few times a year.
and to the dumbazz that thinks he should not have to worry about crackhead's URI that unknown to him in a few days will become everyone around crackheads URI passed to the child sitting next to his child in school ... well when in time your life takes that turn you might just want that table to turn ...when you start seeing what the true cost of neglecting health care can cost a community as a whole.
Where are we on the Swine Flu situation right now? any update?
Not one penny for Crackhead's healthcare. Not one penny.

Any improvements to healthcare in America must motivate those who err in their ways to pay the full price for their mistakes.

Let's not try to use your children or anyone's children as a shield for Crackhead. He must pay his own way; no socialized healthcare for drug users. He's ridden the working man's back for far too long already.

And, while we're at it, let's not make WorkingMan pay for SmokingMan's cancer. Or FatChick's diabetes. Let's have a system that encourages individual responsiblity and health lifestyle choices. Else, we're tossing money down a dark hole.
Diamond

Cedar Rapids, IA

#7 Sep 20, 2009
SuZ wrote:
<quoted text>
So when due to some unexpected situation you become unable to as you put it...
"work and become productive members of
society, independent of others for assistance."
Expect your words to bite you in the butt.
It happens guy and you aren't above it.
Your attitude might be...but sit back and watch.
I favor helping those who are disabled due to the negligence of others but I'm not in favor of helping those who've made poor choices. Life is about choices and we are capable of making good ones.

If a person is disabled due to genetics or due to an accident for which he/she was not the cause, of course, there should be provisions to help them. That's what charities should focus on. Helping those who can't help themselves.

But, that doesn't include drug users, fast food addicts, couch sitters, school dropouts, those who organize against their employers, those who refuse to serve in the nation's defense, etc.

No healthcare for welfare queens and kings.
SuZ

United States

#8 Sep 20, 2009
My point stands ... if you deny medical care at point A point Z comes around to bite you in the butt.
Get a few years on you...you'll learn.
This sounds a bit rude but I doubt either of you can even read the DSM let alone understand what it takes to constitute a disability.
Anyway ...You go kids... tell em how it is...they're gonna this and your not gonna that.
Got it figure out do ya? Thanks for the chuckle.
Quotes

United States

#9 Sep 20, 2009
"Not one penny for Crackhead's healthcare. Not one penny."

"No healthcare for welfare queens and kings."

"Should Joe Crackhead's medical bills be paid out of Joe WorkAllDay's paycheck?"
Diamond

Cedar Rapids, IA

#10 Sep 20, 2009
SuZ wrote:
My point stands ... if you deny medical care at point A point Z comes around to bite you in the butt.
Get a few years on you...you'll learn.
This sounds a bit rude but I doubt either of you can even read the DSM let alone understand what it takes to constitute a disability.
Anyway ...You go kids... tell em how it is...they're gonna this and your not gonna that.
Got it figure out do ya? Thanks for the chuckle.
Chuckle at this: you get MORE of what you reward and LESS of what you penalize.

Take a moment and absorb that simple fact.

You'll get more irresponsible behavior if it is rewarded. You'll get less success if you penalize it. Now, do you see the error of Obama's ways? And, in your current line of thinking?

The questions for you become: am I too old to learn? Am I too old to change my stubborn mindset? Am I ready to stop shrugging my shoulders and ready to start rewarding success instead of failure?
SuZ

United States

#11 Sep 20, 2009
Your not familiar with who the state will and will not allow medical assistance. You assume and right now I dont have time to walk you though it.
Somone on deaths door with swine flu shouldnt have to also deal with the neglect of medical attention.
Contrar. to your belief the state medical assistance is now set up as a rule to assist preg. women/ and children. I believe (just to recall not to be quoted) the remaining >2000 are disabled and elderly. Medicade for families and individuals for the most part phased out. No dental care for adults period.
So we are left with your food stamp attitude...
When speaking with someone over the last few years..this person stated there is a max 500/600 dollar a month max on income to even qualify for a min. amount. I spend more in a month to eat then they bring in as an income.
Maybe you do need to reassess your compassion for your fellow man that I do feel.
Diamond

Cedar Rapids, IA

#12 Sep 20, 2009
SuZ wrote:
Your not familiar with who the state will and will not allow medical assistance. You assume and right now I dont have time to walk you though it.
Somone on deaths door with swine flu shouldnt have to also deal with the neglect of medical attention.
Contrar. to your belief the state medical assistance is now set up as a rule to assist preg. women/ and children. I believe (just to recall not to be quoted) the remaining >2000 are disabled and elderly. Medicade for families and individuals for the most part phased out. No dental care for adults period.
So we are left with your food stamp attitude...
When speaking with someone over the last few years..this person stated there is a max 500/600 dollar a month max on income to even qualify for a min. amount. I spend more in a month to eat then they bring in as an income.
Maybe you do need to reassess your compassion for your fellow man that I do feel.
There's "compassion" and then there's "enabling behaviors." It's important that you understand the difference. And, you're not alone. Too often, in the name of being compassionate, we enable even greater bad behaviors.

Before we even discuss giving freebies to people, let's ask some intelligent questions: how did they become needy? Millions are able to fend for themselves in this world. Why aren't they?

Did they drop out of school?

Did they choose to pursue illegal drugs instead of an education?

Did they refuse to serve their country in the military and, thus, become properly entitled to healthcare for not only themselves but for their dependents?

Did they smoke cigarettes despite the warning right there on each and every pack?

Did they become boozers? Did they blow their money at the casinos? Did they buy houses or cars that they didn't need instead of saving their money?

Were they hotheads at work? Were they late or disrespectful to those who hired them?

We can't throw money at behavioral problems. We must change behaviors. That's where we start -- not by promising "freebies" to misbehaving people.
SuZ

United States

#13 Sep 20, 2009
It really doesnt matter why......
Who are you to redefine the criteria establish in the DSM nor should your personal views be allowed as an excuse to prevent something as serious as the swine flu from spreading because affordable vaccines can not be offered.
You keep trying to switch this back to a way to enable.
Here's a theory for you foot the bill through the hospital incurring a loss on full hospitalization or do the real freebie and put your money into the prison system.
Diamond

Cedar Rapids, IA

#14 Sep 21, 2009
SuZ wrote:
It really doesnt matter why......
Who are you to redefine the criteria establish in the DSM nor should your personal views be allowed as an excuse to prevent something as serious as the swine flu from spreading because affordable vaccines can not be offered.
You keep trying to switch this back to a way to enable.
Here's a theory for you foot the bill through the hospital incurring a loss on full hospitalization or do the real freebie and put your money into the prison system.
You've clearly given up on addressing the issue in a meaningful way. I'd have to conclude that you're an Obamanite and rather incapable of deep thinking.
SuZ

United States

#15 Sep 21, 2009
The president's name is Obama. President Obama.
That is a matter of respect. PERIOD
I've posted the truth so if in fact what I have taken my time to post coincides with his plan then I assure you it needs to be done.
I have yet to have a chance to over look his plan in depth because I keep being annoyed with rattle brains like you and just because your thought process has yet to catch up with the issues doesn't mean I don't know what they are.
Don't assume to know someone you don't.
gp

Beijing, China

#16 Sep 21, 2009
good
The Real

Lake Charles, LA

#17 Sep 21, 2009
Diamond you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Joe the crack head can go and get health care right now and we the people pay for it. Because Joe the crack head is not required to have health insurance. President Obama is requiring Joe the crack head to get health insurance.
SuZ

United States

#18 Sep 21, 2009
I dont know how he's gonna do it ... State isn't gonna issue it.
The Real

Lake Charles, LA

#19 Sep 21, 2009
Hopefully he will lower the cost for insurance. That way people who don't get payed as much, but work just as hard can now get health insurance. More people would be putting in to the system causing the cost for covering "Crackhead Joe" cheaper. As of right now there are 46 million uninsured Americans out of 300+ million. That means when "Crackhead Joe" goes to get treatment for an STD or something 260+ million Americans pay for it. Now those that are unemployed are 14.9 million out of the 46 million that don't have insurance. That means 27 million will be required to get insurance. Now 287 million will be footing the bill for 19 million people rather then, as of now, 260 million footing the bill for 46 million.
SuZ

United States

#20 Sep 21, 2009
OK but think Joe isn't gonna be responsible as it is add to that the number of people that eat mac and cheese for the entire month because they do not have the extra money to put out reguardless
.... So when they break the law after so many times of not having the required insurance are you also willing to pay for their jail time?
There will be more than a few ... you take those number stats and think about that.
Give us an idea of how many charges for driving without insurance have been filed ... let's even see if it's possible.

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