Health Care Debate - Seattle, WA

Discuss the national Health Care debate in Seattle, WA.

Do you support President Obama's health care policy?

Seattle opposes
Oppose
 
53
Support
 
50

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Bonnadee

Pittsburgh, PA

#23 Oct 4, 2009
obama's program is a national sellout of freedom

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#24 Oct 25, 2009
Bonnadee wrote:
obama's program is a national sellout of freedom
Freedom to do what?? Please be specific!
Ranny

Buford, GA

#26 Oct 26, 2009
What middle class?
Nelson

Auburn, WA

#27 Oct 26, 2009
Anything I say to explain myself your not going to listen to it anyway, I have the right to vote and I oppose the health care plan.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#28 Oct 26, 2009
Nelson wrote:
Anything I say to explain myself your not going to listen to it anyway, I have the right to vote and I oppose the health care plan.
Unless you are uberwealthy, you are one serious illness or injury from losing everything.
Ranny

Bellevue, NE

#29 Oct 26, 2009
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
Unless you are uberwealthy, you are one serious illness or injury from losing everything.
That is such BS!!
Ranny

Bellevue, NE

#30 Oct 26, 2009
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
Freedom to do what?? Please be specific!
Freedom to choose. Got it, lunkhead??!!

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#31 Oct 27, 2009
Ranny wrote:
Freedom to choose. Got it, lunkhead??!!
Freedom to choose what?

Insurance companies? I get to choose the insurance company my employer pays. How is that a choice?

Freedom to choose a doctor? I can only go to the ones my Insurance company approves. How is that a choice?

Freedom to choose treatment? I can only have the treatment my insurance company approves. How is that a choice?

Freedom to choose to live? I can only afford life saving treatment if my insurance company approves it. How is that a choice?

Clearly you are deluded!!!

Get it now? Pinhead!!

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#32 Oct 27, 2009
Ranny wrote:
<quoted text>That is such BS!!
Last year, I broke my leg. If I paid for it myself, the bill would have been $60,000. That would have completely nuked my financial life and that was only a broken leg.

This is not BS. This is reality. Get acquainted with it.
R.S.B.

Seattle, WA

#33 Oct 27, 2009
I want the government out of my private life, and I will not pay these bungling idiots to take charge of my health.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#34 Oct 27, 2009
[QUOTE who="R.S.B."]I want the government out of my private life, and I will not pay these bungling idiots to take charge of my health.[/QUOTE]

And you think insurance executives are smart or give a flying hoot whether you live or die?

What a maroon!!

Their motive is profit. They will deny your claim for any excuse they can get away with and hike your premium for the same reasons.
Hot Dog

Seattle, WA

#35 Oct 27, 2009
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
And you think insurance executives are smart or give a flying hoot whether you live or die?
What a maroon!!
Their motive is profit. They will deny your claim for any excuse they can get away with and hike your premium for the same reasons.
Yeah you're right, We're gonna need government health care, I have a feeling we'll be seeing an epidemic of lead poisining.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#36 Oct 27, 2009
Hot Dog wrote:
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Yeah you're right, We're gonna need government health care, I have a feeling we'll be seeing an epidemic of lead poisining.
If you would stop licking your toys from China, that might not be such a big problem.
Hot Dog

Seattle, WA

#37 Oct 27, 2009
Sorry there Anona Miss, my toys are made in America.
Mr_Huntington

United States

#38 Oct 30, 2009
Strong oppose.

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Since: Dec 08

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#39 Oct 30, 2009
Mr_Huntington wrote:
Strong oppose.
Do you actually have rational or are you just following the fundie led crowd like good sheeple?
Mr_Huntington

San Jose, CA

#40 Nov 1, 2009
No, I oppose and I have many reasons in my studies. But I don't always want to have to say it by typing it out. So I just simply said what I did. This thread doesn't ask why.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#41 Nov 1, 2009
Mr_Huntington wrote:
No, I oppose and I have many reasons in my studies. But I don't always want to have to say it by typing it out. So I just simply said what I did. This thread doesn't ask why.
Yup, just following the fundie preacher led crowd like good sheeple. That's why you don't have a rationale.
Bruce Deile

Bellingham, WA

#43 Nov 2, 2009
The U.S. ranks 1 in amount of healthcare spending per person yet 37th in healthcare performance (World Health Organization). Editorialist Nicholas Kristoff cites the C.I.A. World Factbook ranking the U.S. 42nd in infant mortality, a "national disgrace....that the average baby is less likely to survive in the U.S. than in Bejing or Havana" (New York Times; 1/12/05). According to Dr. Kenneth Liegner's testimony before the New York State Assembly Committee on Health (11/27/01), a 7-year-old Lyme disease patient was kept alive on expensive medication until, due to insurance company policy, "she died within one month of cessation of intravenous antibiotic treatment." Liegner adds, "Metropolitan Life Insurance Company had an important formative role in the creation of the National Institutes of Health. This raises the issue of possible ongoing undue influence of the insurance industry in setting national public health priorities".

On the other hand, although the U.S. is the only industrialized country with no pharmaceutical price cap, "The National Institutes of Health said rules designed to reduce conflicts of interest at the agency went too far. So instead of barring thousands of employees from owning stock in pharmaceutical and bio-technology companies, only about 200 senior employees will be affected...." ('NIH Revises Ethics Rule on Stock Ownership'; USA Today; 8/26/05). So it's not only insurance companies influencing public health policy. Tragically, "Right -to-Life" proponents legislate against universal healthcare, practicing socio-economic Darwinism in creating more American roadkill.
Bruce Deile

Bellingham, WA

#44 Nov 2, 2009
Consider these non-profit healthcare CEO salaries buried in the 'Money' section of USA Today: Catholic Healthcare West CEO-$1 mil.+$896,000 expenses/ allowances; Memorial-Sloan Kettering CEO-$2.3 mil. "with 2 surgeons making $1.6 mil. each"; Kaiser Permanente's Foundation Hospital outgoing President-$7.4 mil.; and Universal Health Services CEO-$16.2 million dollars in 2003 ('Non-profit Hospitals Top Salaries May Be Due For a Checkup'; USA Today; 9/30/2004)

Non-profit funds are procured under the guise of altruism but become organizational charity theft when used for extravagant salaries. The rationalization is that such salaries are necessary to attract leading professionals within a competitive system, and are a drop in the bucket compared to overall healthcare costs. But isn't that a most terrible commentary on America to say the economy demands we act as pigs with the charity money?

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