Health Care Debate - Richmond, VA

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I support our President, there is no reason that any citizen of the USA should go without health care period. Gitmo detainees have the best care, so do those in prison. What's wrong with this picture?

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My Opinion wrote:

I support our President, there is no reason that any citizen of the USA should go without health care period. Gitmo detainees have the best care, so do those in prison. What's wrong with this picture?

I think it is a basic right of any American to 'BUY' health insurance! Why should the government pay for it? It is beyond me why people think the government should pay for this.

PLEASE AMERICA citizens summons up your pride! Pay your own way stop waiting on the government to pay it for you. I work for a bank, I see people who have the big homes, the big boats, nice cars, borrow money to go on vacation, yet think the government should pay for us all to have health care. Now what is wrong with this picture? It's about priorities and choices. Give up a vacation that cost you $3000 and pay that toward your health care.

My Opinion

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I purchase my own health care, not from employer as we are self employed, cost for three people over $1,000.00/month. We have NO debt, live within our means, no big house here, take care of our not new but nice cars, all bills paid upon receipt and still can afford a 3000.00 vacation. We pay more than the average joe blow in taxes, are law abiding citizens and am still willing to pay a bit more so that no citizen is without good medical care. So, I am paying my own way and because of the former President, paying even more. I take a great deal of pride in myself & country but am humble enough to want every one to afford the opportunity to go to the dr. when they are ill and receive the care they deserve. So, I do believe I have made excellent common sense choices and know what my priorities are.

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My Opinion wrote:

I purchase my own health care, not from employer as we are self employed, cost for three people over $1,000.00/month. We have NO debt, live within our means, no big house here, take care of our not new but nice cars, all bills paid upon receipt and still can afford a 3000.00 vacation. We pay more than the average joe blow in taxes, are law abiding citizens and am still willing to pay a bit more so that no citizen is without good medical care. So, I am paying my own way and because of the former President, paying even more. I take a great deal of pride in myself & country but am humble enough to want every one to afford the opportunity to go to the dr. when they are ill and receive the care they deserve. So, I do believe I have made excellent common sense choices and know what my priorities are.

Then apparently that doesn't apply to you. But I would ask you, are you willing to pay 13% sales tax and much greater to cover it? Are you willing to wait 4-5 months for simple procedures such as an MRI or CAT scan? Those are real wait times not exaggerated. You can Google it yourself ... Ontario Medical Wait Times. But, I don’t have to Google it, I live it every day. In Ontario the sales tax is 13% and Canada doesn’t have the military expense that the U.S. has.

But, I still contend that many people could afford it if they would cut back on luxuries. I see it every day. People complaining and whining about what they have to pay for their coverage, and even some that say they can’t afford it, but aren’t willing to forfeit some of their pleasures.

I am very sincere when I tell you that Canada’s healthcare program is almost bankrupt. Hospitals are closing everywhere. Some people have to travel 20-30 miles for medical emergencies. And when they get to the hospital they have to wait hours because there are not enough doctors.

I am willing to pay extra to help others, but not to help everyone. Some people need to buck up and do for themselves. For those who can’t then there can be a legitimate plan to help them.

Rob

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We are the still the richest country in the world. Why cant we all be insured. At the end of the day its going to lower the cost of healthcare. no one will lose jobs. We are going to need doctors and nurses until the end of time.

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Rob wrote:

We are the still the richest country in the world. Why cant we all be insured. At the end of the day its going to lower the cost of healthcare. no one will lose jobs. We are going to need doctors and nurses until the end of time.

Rob, I have to disagree. I read a report last week that said we are now the 2nd richest country in the world. As far as everyone being insured, it just plain and simple doesn't work!

TV Man

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Escape, you need to stop all your negative bu--st.
It would be simple for everyone to have insurance in the second wealthest country in the world.
IT's call pay for it.
But we don't want to pay the cost of all the scams, lies, scare tactics, and ineffective drugs, just to line the pockets of the drug companies and the insurance companies. Now be honest, If your life was not on the line, would you just pay anything? And if your life was on the line do you think you should pay more then you have or just die? Can you answer that question.

TV Man

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Escapee, please allow me to add something to the health care issue. People in America that I have witnessed will fight harder for a price on a big screen TV or a car then their own health care. What's that all about. If we would all put up a fight and not buckle to all the tests and drugs they put us on ,maybe we could help each other. But it seems like your willing to just hand over a blank check. Now how is that going to help anyone.

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TV Man wrote:

Escape, you need to stop all your negative bu--st.
It would be simple for everyone to have insurance in the second wealthest country in the world.
IT's call pay for it.
But we don't want to pay the cost of all the scams, lies, scare tactics, and ineffective drugs, just to line the pockets of the drug companies and the insurance companies. Now be honest, If your life was not on the line, would you just pay anything? And if your life was on the line do you think you should pay more then you have or just die? Can you answer that question.

LOL Well if you aren't the pot calling the kettle black! After all the rants you have went on about how horrible a country we have and how the politicians are ripping us off, and you tell me to stop the negativity. Whew now that is funny!

Why are you so eager to buy into such a plan that is on the table now? I have said repeatedly that the system needs to be revamped, but not scrapped.

But to answer your questions, I believe this is where you are misled. No one dies from not having health insurance in the UNITED STATES. People get the treatments they need but then owe a ton of money. That is not effective either but, people don't die from not having insurance or the money.

On the other hand, you present yourself to the hospital in Canada without a government issued card which states you are entitled to their care, and you WILL have to pay up front or they WILL turn you away. Huge debate in Canada right now.

And do you really think our government can afford to pay for all the medical bills that Americans rack up each year? I pointed out about the U.S. being the 2nd richest because we have lost ground because of our deficit and because of wastful spending.

You are turning a blind eye if you don't see what such a policy would do to the U.S. No, I don't think I am smarter than Obama or anyone on his team, but I do think I am intelligent enough to draw a conclusion based on real evidence and real facts.

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TV Man wrote:

Escapee, please allow me to add something to the health care issue. People in America that I have witnessed will fight harder for a price on a big screen TV or a car then their own health care. What's that all about. If we would all put up a fight and not buckle to all the tests and drugs they put us on ,maybe we could help each other. But it seems like your willing to just hand over a blank check. Now how is that going to help anyone.

You are using my argument. I think people need to give up some of the things they THINK is so important in their life to afford their own health care. But people aren't willing to do it. Health care to many is way down their list of priorities.

Where have I said I am willing to hand them a blank check? I have stated multiple times that I think there are things that need to be done to drive down the cost of health care. I don't believe in capping salaries, that is wrong for the American people.

As far as stopping taking pills and having test done, how is the new plan going to change that? If you have a doctor that is prescribing medication and/or unneccessary tests, then you need to find a new doctor. As of right now there are plenty to choose from.

Better yet, how will the government providing every U.S. citizen with health care stop the companies such as Labs and Manufacturers from making money? They will still be in existence, they will still have a service to provide, it just means that the money they will receive will come from a different source, THE GOVERNMENT!

I am all for accountability, and I think each person in the U.S. needs to be accountable for their own health care including eating right, exercising and not smoking and drinking.

Mitch

Ruston, LA

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When we have more options we have more control as comsumers.

TV Man

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To disagree with your opinion is absurd.
What I don't hear from you is a plan.
I created a plan on numerous posts, and you indicated the ideas were great, but not possible.
Your ideas are reasonable, but not sustainable.
Your ideas do nothing in order to contain future costs.
As I have said, the medical industry must change it's culture to health intervention, and health prevention to be suatainable.
This may be a tall order, but it must be done.
And the industry must be held accountable for value not only growth.
Until the big Pharma and insurance companies are challenged, medicine for profit will continue to prevail.

TV Man

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Escapee:

I keep posting facts and information that answers most all your questions.
You keep falling for the bait ( Gov. Gov. Gov.)
Everyone must focus on the real problem (Capitalism out of control)
Please don't confuse Yesterdays Capitalism with current Capitalism.
Look, Goverment was never designed to make a profit.
Goverment was created to redistribute in order to protect society from greed.
To say social security or medicare are failures is absurd.
They were not created to show a profit, only to make people happy and to protect society from greed.( They are doing exactly what they have been designed to do)
Any program or enity must adjust and restructure for changes of the future.
Society Security and Medicare will adjust , restructure, change just like any other business.
Once that is done, which it will.
It will be good for many more years.
Capitalism that works creates value before growth.
Capitalism that becomes greedy creates growth at any expense.
The Medical industry must focus on pure and honest Capitalism, which is created by taking care of value not growth.
Example for all to see:
Capitalism as we know it articulates a visionary business purpose. That purpose being growth. Drug companies quest for growth subtly diluted their power of purpose driven philosophy. In 1950, George Merck reminded us what a drug company stood for.
1. We try never to forget that medicine is for the people.
2. It is not for the profits.
3. The profits follow, and if we have remembered that, they have never failed to appear.
It seems as if drug companies and capitalism don't mix. This is why we need the goverment to protect and secure Americans with drug companies just as they do against crime.
I keep reminding you goverment must protect and secure the American people from capitalism gone greedy

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