Health Care Debate - New York, NY

Discuss the national Health Care debate in New York, NY.

Do you support President Obama's health care policy?

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Spelling Cop

Brooklyn, NY

#85 Sep 23, 2009
Lost Rights James Bovard wrote:
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Or not.....
http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/ab...
Both cannot and can not are acceptable spellings
ABSOLUTELY NOT! You are misunderstanding the author.

The only legitimate use of "can not" is this kind: "I can't make up my mind. I can go to the store tomorrow, or I can not go." It's awkward but correct.

Cannot is the more acceptable term under most circumstances in present use.
Spelling Cop

Brooklyn, NY

#87 Sep 23, 2009
sorry for the repeat.
JOE CIPP JR

Patchogue, NY

#88 Sep 23, 2009
Yirmin Snipe wrote:
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Sorry but you are just plane stupid. Look at the people that work in health care... who makes the most money? It isn't the administrators its the doctors. That means only one thing, the doctors are making the most money so they are the piece of the puzzle that is most scarce, there fore increase the number of doctors and you will have the greatest impact on overall prices.
hold on while i run up to the "wal-mart" and pick-up a doctors degree.....you're an idiot

“Small gov't.Low taxes, Freedom”

Since: Mar 07

Ronkonkoma

#89 Sep 23, 2009
Spelling Cop wrote:
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ABSOLUTELY NOT! You are misunderstanding the author.
The only legitimate use of "can not" is this kind: "I can't make up my mind. I can go to the store tomorrow, or I can not go." It's awkward but correct.
Cannot is the more acceptable term under most circumstances in present use.
I still beg to differ,Here's the explanation:

If I can not do something, then I can also do it. I can not write these words if I choose (and you may think I shouldn't), but I also can, and am, writing them. What I cannot do is know who will read them, or what they will think. I can imagine such things, but I'm limited by my experience and perceptions. So this is the rule: if you either could or could not do something, then you use two words, because you can leave out the second word if you so choose. If you could not do something no matter how much you desired or tried, then you use one word, cannot. There is no other option.

THEREFORE:

in the original context:

The government can not run the business it's already in charge of, what makes anyone think they can manage our health care?

Although many of us "believe" the government cannot run health care, the truth is, that managed correctly, it could, in fact do so.

In conclusion, in the context of the original post "can not" is equally as acceptable as "cannot", maybe even MORE so....

“Liberals: America's Cancer”

Since: Dec 07

Baldwin, NY

#90 Sep 23, 2009
Repub are dull wrote:
All Americans should have the right to affordable health care. No retreat on the public option.
Please tell me where that can be found in our Constitution?
Marc

New York, NY

#93 Sep 24, 2009
Almost anything is better than what we currently have. Most Americans have no clue what is out there in the world. They still think what they have is the best. It is soooo out dated and become only a money making machine for insurances and pharmas. It need to change back to actually being for the people. I think Obama's plan does not go far enough. That is probably because he knows that nothing will change/happen if he would do 100% of what is really needed!!!
Vic

Bay Shore, NY

#94 Sep 24, 2009
Marc wrote:
Almost anything is better than what we currently have. Most Americans have no clue what is out there in the world. They still think what they have is the best. It is soooo out dated and become only a money making machine for insurances and pharmas. It need to change back to actually being for the people. I think Obama's plan does not go far enough. That is probably because he knows that nothing will change/happen if he would do 100% of what is really needed!!!
Obama's plan is a disaster. It includes large medicare cuts, and because he and the democrats are in bed with the trial lawyers, tort reform, which is one of the few things which could actually save money in healthcare, is not included.

In addition the unionization of the healthcare workforce will result in more expensive workers, who do a poorer job, and who are impossible to get rid of even if their incompetence results in serious injury to patients.

In addition he is doing nothing to stop self referral where doctors profit from sending patients for tests at facilities they own. Doctors respond to cuts, by referring more patients for additional tests, again, this is not addressed.

All the Obama bill does is cut medicare reimbursements which will result in less services and delays and rationing in healthcare, as well as less innovation.
DannyK

Jamaica, NY

#95 Sep 27, 2009
Lost Rights James Bovard wrote:
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You are lost, you have completely missed the point.
I AM paying for other's health care NOW and I DON'T want to pay MORE. which is what will happen.
My taxes already pay for the health care of anyone on medicaid or medicare. there is no way Obama's plan can work without me having to pay MORE into a system already proven to be broken.
your war comments are non-sequitur and I will ignore them./..
Lets hope that the final bill would be cost-effective and helpful
Balto

Norwalk, CT

#96 Sep 27, 2009
Only a fool believes that government involvement in any business can be helpful or cost effective.

“Live Free or Die”

Since: Dec 07

Hooksett, NH

#97 Sep 27, 2009
There is a LOT more wrong with healthcare in this country than just the Health Insurance Companies...I would rather support a bill that takes into account the WHOLE problem, not just one piece of it.

Health Insurance Companies ARE part of the issue, as are:

1) The providers (Dr's, Hospitals, Lab's etc.)
2) Malpractice Insurance premiums (See next responsible party)
3) The legal System (How about a cap on malpractice payouts?)
And let's not forget the cost of
4) That expensive education to become a Dr.(that's what the Dr's use to justify their high cost

All I see in the government's latest attempt to fix a system that is in desperate need of repair by way of single minded focus on one area (Health Insurance) instead of fixing the ENTIRE problem - This is yet another way for politicians to score points with most American's who are financially frustrated with rising health care cost's.

“Small gov't.Low taxes, Freedom”

Since: Mar 07

Ronkonkoma

#98 Sep 27, 2009
Gotta school you on a single point vic....
Vic wrote:
<quoted text>In addition the unionization of the healthcare workforce will result in more expensive workers, who do a poorer job, and who are impossible to get rid of even if their incompetence results in serious injury to patients.
This quote, in relation to healthcare, couldn't be farther from the truth.

The fact is Vic most healthcare workers in this country are already represented by unions. If they were'nt than they would be the most abused and exploited workforce in the country.

There is already such a shortage of nurses in this country that states have been passing laws to protect them from over work and exploitation even in the absence of unionization..

While, as a rule, I agree with your assessment of union worers, in health care most of us subscribe to a higher standard of decorum.

RN's especially, need union representation as a matter of survival.

More expensive? Yeah, tell that to my kids and Mtg Company....

As for "impossible to get rid of" that's simply not true. while unions protect our jobs from overwork and dangerous care ratios. Negligence leading to injury or death is dealt with severly, including loss of job AND license.

As for "poorer job" - the fact that RN's in the US are already considered members of one of the most trustworthy professions, I'd say you're wrong on that one point.

I wholeheartedly agree, however on the rest of your post.

LRJB - RN

“Small gov't.Low taxes, Freedom”

Since: Mar 07

Ronkonkoma

#99 Sep 27, 2009
DannyK wrote:
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Lets hope that the final bill would be cost-effective and helpful
I'll drink to that!
american dream

Hopewell Junction, NY

#100 Sep 27, 2009
You might want to watch what O'Reilly had to say about this yesterday on American Dreams. Bill O'Reilly, probably the most controversial and most talked about TV journalist world wide, fulfilled a promise yesterday (Sat. Sep 26th 2009) that he gave American Dream Show host Ingrid Lemme six years ago. He appeared on Ms Lemme’s talk show, filmed at Gurney’s Inn in Montauk, in front of a live audience and aired on WVVH Hamptons TV, tri-state N.Y.- 30 guests enjoyed a fabulous ˝ hour with Ingrid and "The No Spin Zone” man who had the audience at times in tears, stunned or even hysterically laughing. Bill was certainly fresh, and bold in true Factor style, but at the same time quite charming.
illegal is illegal

Fairfield, NJ

#101 Sep 27, 2009
plotmasteram wrote:
Our N.Y. state workers comp system is a gov;t run health care scam were judges,lawyers and physicians act in collusion to deny,limit and prolong proper health care to victims.I worked 25 years for the state of ny as a Registered Nurse at a lower payscale so as i would have the benefits of health care upon retirement.I worked for what you recieve politicians are giving my benefits to those who chose not to work.
They are giving every hard working citizen's benefits to those who chose not to work, and to millions of ILLEGAL law breakers who are in the country milking off the system. There are people coming here ILLEGALLY at age 72 like Obama's aunt. What can a person at this age contribute to this country? Many other come here illegally to have children, and they get all benefits. The politicians tell us all the time that our social security funds are running out. Why? Why are they giving it to people who never worked a day? This is not fair, this is corruption, to make people work for others.
illegal is illegal

Fairfield, NJ

#102 Sep 27, 2009
foolzrushin wrote:
Allow consumers/businesses to buy insurance from any state, not just the state of residence, and you will see true competition and cost reduction instead of this 1100 page monstrosity.
There will never be cost reduccion, because what the government wants to do is to make sure that everyone living in the country has Health insurance. This means that the cost for those who pay insurance will be higher, because we will have to pay for those who cannot afford it. We will be force to pay for the 30 million illegal in the country. WAKE UP.
illegal is illegal

Fairfield, NJ

#103 Sep 27, 2009
Open your eyes5 wrote:
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Because someone can not afford health care doesn't mean they don't work. Ever heard of medicare and ERs must treat everyone? You're already paying for people's health care. Even if a person is not working, who are you to judge or assume their reasoning for not?(Many young college students are not able to work therefor cannot afford their own insurance or the extremely high insurance of the institution they are attending. There are no other options for them such as medicare.) Shall we close our eyes and lower our heads to those in this situation? If you are a nurse as you say, you must have gone to school for years. We are all human beings blessed with the gift of life, the right to be healthy and cared for comes through God and human nature, not a pay check. We are the only money making core industrial country whom operates this way, when we will live up to our Allegiance "One Nation under God...with Liberty and Justice for ALL"?
"Shall we close our eyes and lower our heads to those in this situation?"

The answer to your question is NO. But what the government should do is to worry about the citizens first, not the 30 million illegal. People who come here sick, or come here to have babies, and use our system. They get Medicaid, and Charity-care. This is what the government should not permit. And this is the reason why many citizens cannot afford to have Health insurance. WAKE UP. We have been forced to pay for all those people who are not in the country legalle. Do some research, and look at the root of the problem. Be realistic, and find out why is it that the cost of our Health insurance has to be so expensive.
illegal is illegal

Fairfield, NJ

#104 Sep 27, 2009
duh wrote:
we are going to change the system that the majority is okay with just because 17+% has no insurance,most of them receive treatment anyway.
You are 100% right. And what we need is that the government don't allow that people who are not legal in the country take away what belongs to this country's citizens who have worked, and are abiding by the law. No business, no families, no countries work properly without organizacion, and discipline. Things are out of control, and the politicians talk, and talk, without looking at the real root of the problem. If they allow people to come here illegally by the millions, and give them benefits, that means that someone has to pay for it, and that someone is the hard-working citizens.
illegal is illegal

Fairfield, NJ

#105 Sep 27, 2009
Shut Up Dummy wrote:
The government can not run the business it's already in charge of, what makes anyone think they can manage our health care?
The health care scam is the same sort of fear mongering the government has always traded in, it's just a different boogyman.
What the government should do first, is to organize the country, and everyone who lives in the country should abide by the laws. That means that people who are in the country illegally, law breakers, should not have any kind of benefits. If they have benefits, that means that they are forcing the citizens to pay for it.
illegal is illegal

Fairfield, NJ

#106 Sep 27, 2009
foolzrushin wrote:
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Knock off about 20 million illegals, another couple of million who are between jobs, and the young and healthy and the # is about 10-12 million... now that's really woth close to a trillion dollars isn't it?
I agree with you 100%. That is the problem, the more than 30 million illegal in the country. This is the reason why Health-insurance is so costly, because we have been forced to pay for those illegal who go to the emergency rooms and by law they cannot refuse to take care of them. And what Obama wants to do is to make sure that all those people have the right to Health-care benefits the same way those who pay have. He wants to make it legal, and force us to pay higher cost.
illegal is illegal

Fairfield, NJ

#107 Sep 27, 2009
Ed Burkes Mom wrote:
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Anyone with a diagnosis of TB receives automatic healthcare whether they have insurance or not. Don't believe me call the your local department of health and they'll tell you the same. Stop with the lies and misinformation.
I believe you, they come here from other countries sick, and they say that they caught it here. Those people are treated at no cost, by law, they have to be treated, and they are in the country illegally.

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