Health Care Debate - Mineral, VA

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Since: Aug 09

Locust Grove, VA

#1 Sep 22, 2009
Nationalization and taxation of a program such as this is unconstitutional. And we know that whenever Government sticks it's hands into anything the cost of doing business always goes up. I have yet to see the government "save" any money for anything. Make promises, get authorization and then lie after lie to cover it's incompetency.
HamburgerJames

Burke, VA

#2 Oct 16, 2009
Ronster23117 wrote:
And we know that whenever Government sticks it's hands into anything the cost of doing business always goes up. I have yet to see the government "save" any money for anything
Then you have not looked very far.
Go ahead, show me some national health care systems that cost more than what we pay.
The evidence is abundant when we look at other governments "sticking their hand in" health care.

Cute cliche, but in real life the opposite of what you claim is true. Government run health care elsewhere costs far less. Where did you get the idea we pay less because the government is not involved?

Not only do we pay twice as much as most industrialized nations with national health care, we lag far behind in just about every category that rates performance.
Longevity, infant mortality, percentage of children with immunizations, percentage of doctors, percentage of hospital beds,- you name it, you will find the performance of our overpriced system is shockingly dismal.
Look at all these categories and the unmistakeable conclusion is we are being way overcharged for a crappier product.

That is why there is a booming industry in this country of "health care tourism" where it is cheaper for an American to fly to another country, have expensive dental work done, for example; have a nice vacation and still save money. The quality of service they get is the same, since many of the foreign doctors are trained in America or Europe and their facilities are designed and built by Western companies.

Right-wing pundits pull the wool over people's eyes by presenting anecdotal evidence rather than comparing government health care costs from ountry to country or comparing results aross the total spectrum in the categories I named, or in any others.

Since: Aug 09

Locust Grove, VA

#3 Oct 31, 2009
HamburgerJames wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you have not looked very far.
Go ahead, show me some national health care systems that cost more than what we pay.
The evidence is abundant when we look at other governments "sticking their hand in" health care.
Cute cliche, but in real life the opposite of what you claim is true. Government run health care elsewhere costs far less. Where did you get the idea we pay less because the government is not involved?

Not only do we pay twice as much as most industrialized nations with national health care, we lag far behind in just about every category that rates performance.
Longevity, infant mortality, percentage of children with immunizations, percentage of doctors, percentage of hospital beds,- you name it, you will find the performance of our overpriced system is shockingly dismal.
Look at all these categories and the unmistakeable conclusion is we are being way overcharged for a crappier product.
That is why there is a booming industry in this country of "health care tourism" where it is cheaper for an American to fly to another country, have expensive dental work done, for example; have a nice vacation and still save money. The quality of service they get is the same, since many of the foreign doctors are trained in America or Europe and their facilities are designed and built by Western companies.
Right-wing pundits pull the wool over people's eyes by presenting anecdotal evidence rather than comparing government health care costs from ountry to country or comparing results aross the total spectrum in the categories I named, or in any others.
And you REALLY think the same Gubmint that devised non-competiveness of insurance companies across state borders (which drives the cost of insurance up dramatically) is fit to run it? You obviously have not been a patient at a VA Medical Center...or a recipient of Medicaid/Medicare (both of which a growing number of physicians do not honor). I don't care who you are...Dental Insurance rarely covers the majority of charges.

It's the instant gratification and gimme, gimme, gimme mentality of whiners wanting their arses wiped at the expense of everyone else...Get a life...Get a job...Take on responsibility and quit yer bithchin and whining. If we would take a portion of that $760 Billion TARP funds and allocate it for one-way tickets to another (Socialist) country for all the whiners, then we could have, perhaps, a country filled with citizens that appreciate and desire to better themselves and not be held captive by a horde of welfare sycophants.
Beware

Locust Grove, VA

#4 Jan 19, 2010
I despise the backroom deals, the complete non-existence of transparency (unless you happen to be a union rep or business rep that has sold out to the Democratic Spcialist agenda under the guise of being "progressive" and government has no authority to force anyone to enroll in a health care plan. The Constitutional battles and lawsuits will commence at any hint of it passing in any form.

I think there are quite a few voters that finally smell the odor of elected officials, in DC, representing everything except "we the people". I guess they'll have to learn the hard way...
Beware

Locust Grove, VA

#5 Jan 19, 2010
HamburgerJames wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you have not looked very far.
Go ahead, show me some national health care systems that cost more than what we pay.
The evidence is abundant when we look at other governments "sticking their hand in" health care.
Cute cliche, but in real life the opposite of what you claim is true. Government run health care elsewhere costs far less. Where did you get the idea we pay less because the government is not involved?
Not only do we pay twice as much as most industrialized nations with national health care, we lag far behind in just about every category that rates performance.
Longevity, infant mortality, percentage of children with immunizations, percentage of doctors, percentage of hospital beds,- you name it, you will find the performance of our overpriced system is shockingly dismal.
Look at all these categories and the unmistakeable conclusion is we are being way overcharged for a crappier product.
That is why there is a booming industry in this country of "health care tourism" where it is cheaper for an American to fly to another country, have expensive dental work done, for example; have a nice vacation and still save money. The quality of service they get is the same, since many of the foreign doctors are trained in America or Europe and their facilities are designed and built by Western companies.
Right-wing pundits pull the wool over people's eyes by presenting anecdotal evidence rather than comparing government health care costs from ountry to country or comparing results aross the total spectrum in the categories I named, or in any others.
You've obviously not lived in countries that have government run Healthcare... I have; Japan and Germany...neither were all that great AND you do have to "take a number" in order to be seen by a specialist. How about this: Anyone desiring to go under government healthcare...how about if we find a country that will take you and let you emmigrate.
If Congress would just grow a set and reign in lawyers (tort reform is long overdue in ALL areas) and break Insurance company monopolies for intrastate competition...insurance costs decrease due to competition.
ps...we don't pay "twice as much" as industrialized nations when you compare apples to apples (e.g. excluding champagne insurance policies that unions have as well as companies that provide great insurance policies in lieu of pay.
There are low-cost Health care delivery models which work (e.g. Grand Junction, Co). It's a shame that politicos deem fit to ignore them as a solution (perhaps it's because they function perfectly fine WITHOUT government intrusion?
Newman

United States

#6 Jan 20, 2010
If the government cannot run a post office, they cannot run healthcare. The government already controls over 50% of the health care system, which is why costs are outrageous.
Ron

Locust Grove, VA

#7 Jan 27, 2010
Everything the government puts it's tentacles in becomes a money and power-grabbing fiasco...and costs are always understated. It's long overdue that we hold every representative accountable for their actions regardless of party affiliation. Can you hear U.S.(We the People) yet???
Frank

Maidens, VA

#8 Jan 30, 2010
Moving too fast no bipartisan support. Senators Web and Warrner will not take calls or respond to emails about it

Since: Aug 09

Locust Grove, VA

#9 Jan 31, 2010
Frank wrote:
Moving too fast no bipartisan support. Senators Web and Warrner will not take calls or respond to emails about it
I agree. I've called and sent dozens of emails and faxes. They don't bother to acknowledge or respond to them. I'll do everything in my power to make sure everyone I know knows the truth and that they'll be able to sift through the bs and find suitable replacements. We did it with Kaine (the absentee Governor) and we'll do it to Webb and Warner...the Obama suck-ups.
Beware

Locust Grove, VA

#10 Mar 12, 2010
YouTube - THE GREAT RENEGER.avi
Jabba the Limbaugh

Houston, TX

#11 Mar 18, 2010
The preceeding idiocy has been brought to you by the Republican National Committe bought and paid for by Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield, Aetna, and Cigna........suckers.
Veritas

San Antonio, TX

#12 Mar 19, 2010
HamburgerJames wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you have not looked very far.
Go ahead, show me some national health care systems that cost more than what we pay.
The evidence is abundant when we look at other governments "sticking their hand in" health care.
Cute cliche, but in real life the opposite of what you claim is true. Government run health care elsewhere costs far less. Where did you get the idea we pay less because the government is not involved?That is not what this bill does at all.Not only do we pay twice as much as most industrialized nations with national health care, we lag far behind in just about every category that rates performance.
Longevity, infant mortality, percentage of children with immunizations, percentage of doctors, percentage of hospital beds,- you name it, you will find the performance of our overpriced system is shockingly dismal.
Look at all these categories and the unmistakeable conclusion is we are being way overcharged for a crappier product.
That is why there is a booming industry in this country of "health care tourism" where it is cheaper for an American to fly to another country, have expensive dental work done, for example; have a nice vacation and still save money. The quality of service they get is the same, since many of the foreign doctors are trained in America or Europe and their facilities are designed and built by Western companies.
Right-wing pundits pull the wool over people's eyes by presenting anecdotal evidence rather than comparing government health care costs from ountry to country or comparing results aross the total spectrum in the categories I named, or in any others.
In those countries you cite they do not have a for profit healthcare system.this bill does not address that. Actually where they already have this mandated plan this abomination is modeled after it has been a resounding failure.Read about it.They cant call it unintended consequences because they already know what this plan will do!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274...
ru kidding

Effingham, IL

#14 Mar 30, 2010
What u say here is true.
HamburgerJames wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you have not looked very far.
Go ahead, show me some national health care systems that cost more than what we pay.
The evidence is abundant when we look at other governments "sticking their hand in" health care.
Cute cliche, but in real life the opposite of what you claim is true. Government run health care elsewhere costs far less. Where did you get the idea we pay less because the government is not involved?
Not only do we pay twice as much as most industrialized nations with national health care, we lag far behind in just about every category that rates performance.
Longevity, infant mortality, percentage of children with immunizations, percentage of doctors, percentage of hospital beds,- you name it, you will find the performance of our overpriced system is shockingly dismal.
Look at all these categories and the unmistakeable conclusion is we are being way overcharged for a crappier product.
That is why there is a booming industry in this country of "health care tourism" where it is cheaper for an American to fly to another country, have expensive dental work done, for example; have a nice vacation and still save money. The quality of service they get is the same, since many of the foreign doctors are trained in America or Europe and their facilities are designed and built by Western companies.
Right-wing pundits pull the wool over people's eyes by presenting anecdotal evidence rather than comparing government health care costs from ountry to country or comparing results aross the total spectrum in the categories I named, or in any others.

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