Health Care Debate - Mineral, VA

[Anonymous]

Nationalization and taxation of a program such as this is unconstitutional. And we know that whenever Government sticks it's hands into anything the cost of doing business always goes up. I have yet to see the government "save" any money for anything. Make promises, get authorization and then lie after lie to cover it's incompetency.

[HamburgerJames]

Ronster23117 wrote:

And we know that whenever Government sticks it's hands into anything the cost of doing business always goes up. I have yet to see the government "save" any money for anything

Then you have not looked very far.
Go ahead, show me some national health care systems that cost more than what we pay.
The evidence is abundant when we look at other governments "sticking their hand in" health care.

Cute cliche, but in real life the opposite of what you claim is true. Government run health care elsewhere costs far less. Where did you get the idea we pay less because the government is not involved?

Not only do we pay twice as much as most industrialized nations with national health care, we lag far behind in just about every category that rates performance.
Longevity, infant mortality, percentage of children with immunizations, percentage of doctors, percentage of hospital beds,- you name it, you will find the performance of our overpriced system is shockingly dismal.
Look at all these categories and the unmistakeable conclusion is we are being way overcharged for a crappier product.

That is why there is a booming industry in this country of "health care tourism" where it is cheaper for an American to fly to another country, have expensive dental work done, for example; have a nice vacation and still save money. The quality of service they get is the same, since many of the foreign doctors are trained in America or Europe and their facilities are designed and built by Western companies.

Right-wing pundits pull the wool over people's eyes by presenting anecdotal evidence rather than comparing government health care costs from ountry to country or comparing results aross the total spectrum in the categories I named, or in any others.

[Anonymous]

HamburgerJames wrote:

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Then you have not looked very far.
Go ahead, show me some national health care systems that cost more than what we pay.
The evidence is abundant when we look at other governments "sticking their hand in" health care.
Cute cliche, but in real life the opposite of what you claim is true. Government run health care elsewhere costs far less. Where did you get the idea we pay less because the government is not involved?

Not only do we pay twice as much as most industrialized nations with national health care, we lag far behind in just about every category that rates performance.
Longevity, infant mortality, percentage of children with immunizations, percentage of doctors, percentage of hospital beds,- you name it, you will find the performance of our overpriced system is shockingly dismal.
Look at all these categories and the unmistakeable conclusion is we are being way overcharged for a crappier product.
That is why there is a booming industry in this country of "health care tourism" where it is cheaper for an American to fly to another country, have expensive dental work done, for example; have a nice vacation and still save money. The quality of service they get is the same, since many of the foreign doctors are trained in America or Europe and their facilities are designed and built by Western companies.
Right-wing pundits pull the wool over people's eyes by presenting anecdotal evidence rather than comparing government health care costs from ountry to country or comparing results aross the total spectrum in the categories I named, or in any others.

And you REALLY think the same Gubmint that devised non-competiveness of insurance companies across state borders (which drives the cost of insurance up dramatically) is fit to run it? You obviously have not been a patient at a VA Medical Center...or a recipient of Medicaid/Medicare (both of which a growing number of physicians do not honor). I don't care who you are...Dental Insurance rarely covers the majority of charges.

It's the instant gratification and gimme, gimme, gimme mentality of whiners wanting their arses wiped at the expense of everyone else...Get a life...Get a job...Take on responsibility and quit yer bithchin and whining. If we would take a portion of that $760 Billion TARP funds and allocate it for one-way tickets to another (Socialist) country for all the whiners, then we could have, perhaps, a country filled with citizens that appreciate and desire to better themselves and not be held captive by a horde of welfare sycophants.