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#1513 Oct 24, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
<quoted text> 1). To the contrary, I said don't explain to me what I own. Don't put words in my mouth. You know as well as I, you were merely questioning my knowledge of what I have. It's obvious you're out of your league. It's ok, you can't know everything. Why do you choose to act like it. Sit back and learn something, I'll sit back and let you teach me something. Maybe you could help me in areas I'm weak, but don't be-little me on the bond market.
1). Can you give me an example from one of my posts where I "put words in your mouth" or when I tried to "explain what you own"?

I stated that the bond market is in dire straits and you provided me with information on junk bonds, which are not even close to exemplary of the market as a whole. Yet you continue to provide them.

Let's return to my original comments:

Stock Market: "Benchmarks lost their initial gains to end mostly flat as apprehensions about contracting profits of financial bellwethers dented investor sentiment on Friday. At the close of the trading session on Friday, markets recorded their worst weekly performance in four months."

"The financial sector had a bad run and the Financial Select Sector SPDR (ETF) dropped 1.3%. Stocks such as JPM, Citigroup Inc.(NYSE: C ), Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.(NYSE: GS ), PNC Financial Services (NYSE: PNC ) and Wells Fargo lost 1.1%, 2.2%, 1.5%, 2.8% and 2.6% respectively."

- The Financial sector is of the utmost importance. Losses within this sector are never a good sign.

Link: http://community.nasdaq.com/News/2012-10/stoc ...

Interest Rates: According to Forbes the interest rates are going to increase during the 2012 and 2013 season.

"I expect long rates to rise by about a percentage point a year for 2012 and 2013, which would leave the ten-year Treasury bond around four percent and the 30-year mortgage about 5.6 percent at the end of 2013."

"This is an ugly time for fixed-income investors."

Now, can you tell me that the market is in good shape when looking at this information?

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#1514 Oct 24, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
<quoted text>You didn't prove sh-t. You created a theory based on your interpretation. Tell us something, what has Obama done wrong? Why should it matter in this election? All your evidence can be questioned, and interpreted in different ways. Are you saying Obama did something illegal, or stupid? Are you saying he should be fired over this? Tell me what your trying to say.
Can you explain how the information I posted can be "interpreted in different ways" please?

I am stating that Crowley was wrong in her assertion that Obama in the rose garden claimed it was a terrorist attack in Libya.

I believe the evidence from the transcripts I presented more than support this fact.

Since: Sep 12

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#1515 Oct 24, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
<quoted text>That's right, I'm releasing private corporate information as proof of ownership. What do you want to do about it? Are you difficult based on ignorance, or just trying to make conversation? I never said my style was proof of anything. What I did say is experts will not promote my style. For good reason. It doesn't fit into their scheme of things. Besides the bond market is up. Banks and corporations are exercising their options to release their obligations of paying high interest. How do I know? Their buying me out with premiums. Values are up across the board. If your receiving other information, show me.
I suggest you review what "private corporate information" means. The key term being "private".

I have provided you with an ample amount of information. I suggest you reread my original post where you claimed the experts were "stupid".
Voice of Reason

Massapequa, NY

#1516 Oct 24, 2012
Helion Prime wrote:
<quoted text>
I suggest you review what "private corporate information" means. The key term being "private".
I have provided you with an ample amount of information. I suggest you reread my original post where you claimed the experts were "stupid".
TV JERK, is really going off the wall. Now TV claims that the experts are "Stupid"????? I think you should change your name TV Man/woman to "Mouth of the World", or maybe "I am a Genius", or
"you are all ignorant", or "The world according to TV Mouth".
AT lease Ben Stein's book is about his investment mistakes, and how to learn from his mistakes. But "TV Mouth" never makes a mistake, Never loses money, knows everything about everything, and speaks with a forked tongue. Now who wants to believe and follow TV MOUTH? Not anyone with brains!

Here is what TV Jerk posted, any takers for the scam-artist??

TV MAN

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Post #9
20 hrs ago


Regina wrote:
too cloudy, too much attached to it
don't believe in so much government
control.

OK, I'm TV MAN, I've got a deal for you. Don't worry, I'm defined as a free market. I believe in Capitalism. Send me your money, and I'll make sure it's invested properly. Don't worry any longer about that mean old government. You got TV MAN, the free market. Welcome to reality. It's great to be on your own.

TV Jerk advertising a scam to steal money. I wonder what the internet police would think about that??? Oh he posted that on the Healthcare KS site. He is all over the country like CRAP!

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#1517 Oct 24, 2012
Voice of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
TV JERK, is really going off the wall. Now TV claims that the experts are "Stupid"????? I think you should change your name TV Man/woman to "Mouth of the World", or maybe "I am a Genius", or
"you are all ignorant", or "The world according to TV Mouth".
AT lease Ben Stein's book is about his investment mistakes, and how to learn from his mistakes. But "TV Mouth" never makes a mistake, Never loses money, knows everything about everything, and speaks with a forked tongue. Now who wants to believe and follow TV MOUTH? Not anyone with brains!
Here is what TV Jerk posted, any takers for the scam-artist??
TV MAN
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Post #9
20 hrs ago
Regina wrote:
too cloudy, too much attached to it
don't believe in so much government
control.
OK, I'm TV MAN, I've got a deal for you. Don't worry, I'm defined as a free market. I believe in Capitalism. Send me your money, and I'll make sure it's invested properly. Don't worry any longer about that mean old government. You got TV MAN, the free market. Welcome to reality. It's great to be on your own.
TV Jerk advertising a scam to steal money. I wonder what the internet police would think about that??? Oh he posted that on the Healthcare KS site. He is all over the country like CRAP!
I find his argument over high risk bond returns incredibly unbelievable. You can't invest in Junk bonds and continuously receive high returns on your investments. If it is such a sure thing, why aren't more people doing it, and why are the EXPERTS advising against it?
Voice of Reason

Massapequa, NY

#1518 Oct 24, 2012
Helion Prime wrote:
<quoted text>
I find his argument over high risk bond returns incredibly unbelievable. You can't invest in Junk bonds and continuously receive high returns on your investments. If it is such a sure thing, why aren't more people doing it, and why are the EXPERTS advising against it?


Friend, what would you expect from a "Junkman??" Exactly, Junk, garbage, sewer sludge.
Voice of Reason

Massapequa, NY

#1519 Oct 24, 2012
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative...

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President Obama Was Wearing an Earpiece During the Monday Debate – Further Explains Why He Had no Answers During First Debate – The Earpiece Had Problems

THIS PICTURE WAS POSTED ON DRUDGE FOR THE PAST TWO DAYS – WAKE UP AMERICA – OBAMA IS A FRAUD

President Obama was wearing an earpiece during the last debate. He was advised on what to say using this earpiece.
Is that fair America???
Did Mitt Romney wear an earpiece, no of course not!
Again, this President will stop at nothing to stay in power.– N.P.Contompasis

Obama’s earpiece and wireless transmitter failed during debate (first debate)
As the mainstream media discuss theories of what happened in last nights debate, I think a very clear explanation is obvious. President Obama’s wireless transmitter and earpiece that allow him to receive answers from his handlers was malfunctioning during the debate.

THIS PICTURE WAS POSTED ON DRUDGE FOR THE PAST TWO DAYS – WAKE UP AMERICA – OBAMA IS A FRAUD
TV MAN

United States

#1520 Oct 24, 2012
Helion Prime wrote:
<quoted text>
I find his argument over high risk bond returns incredibly unbelievable. You can't invest in Junk bonds and continuously receive high returns on your investments. If it is such a sure thing, why aren't more people doing it, and why are the EXPERTS advising against it?
All you guys are so much fun. All this barking about TV MAN. Now that's funny. You say I can't invest in junk bonds and continuously receive high returns on investments. How do you know, are you a bond investor? Nobody makes great returns doing the obvious. It takes nerve and hard work. It takes knowledge, and understanding about trends. Would you have you invested your hard earned money that you need for your house note, car note, food,and entertainment, for some kid in the garage playing with computers. Most likely you wouldn't. Most people wouldn't, that's why they did't get wealthy. You people are so much fun.
TV MAN

United States

#1521 Oct 24, 2012
Correction:

All you guys are so much fun. All this barking about TV MAN. Now that's funny. You say I can't invest in junk bonds and continuously receive high returns on investments. How do you know, are you a bond investor? Nobody makes great returns doing the obvious. It takes nerve and hard work. It takes knowledge, and understanding about trends. Would you invest hard earned money that you need for your house note, car note, food,and entertainment, for some kid in the garage playing with computers. Most likely you wouldn't. Most people wouldn't, that's why they did't get wealthy. You people are so much fun.
TV MAN

United States

#1522 Oct 24, 2012
Voice of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Friend, what would you expect from a "Junkman??" Exactly, Junk, garbage, sewer sludge.
Voice of the misinformed. Don't expect an employee from some hamster wheel to understand TV MAN's plan.
Voice of Reason

Massapequa, NY

#1523 Oct 24, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
Correction:
All you guys are so much fun. All this barking about TV MAN. Now that's funny. You say I can't invest in junk bonds and continuously receive high returns on investments. How do you know, are you a bond investor? Nobody makes great returns doing the obvious. It takes nerve and hard work. It takes knowledge, and understanding about trends. Would you invest hard earned money that you need for your house note, car note, food,and entertainment, for some kid in the garage playing with computers. Most likely you wouldn't. Most people wouldn't, that's why they did't get wealthy. You people are so much fun.
The only "Hard work" you do is flapping your lips. "Most people", don't get right because they have a conscience, and believe in GOD not the thing you worship $$$$$. Get a life you probably have a financial subscription written by someone else like the "Penney Stock Maven" that does all of the picking, and when everything goes south, he is out of the Bonds before it tanks and you know it.
Tell your story walking fool, there is an old saying " A Fool and his money are soon parted" As I told you before, go to a financial blog with your boasting, which you probably did, and got laughed off of the blog.........LOL keep it up and you will get laughed off here also. Bye TV Fool!
Voice of Reason

Massapequa, NY

#1524 Oct 24, 2012
Wednesday, October 24, 2012
What Obama Doesn't Want You to Know About Benghazi

After reading an investigative article by Frank J. Gaffney Jr. with hard on the ground work of Bret Baier and Catherin Herridge at Fox News, Aaron Klein at WND.com and Clare Lopez of RadicalIslam.org . we finally understand what Obama was doing in Benghazi that you aren’t supposed to know.
President Obama didn't want you to know that he through Ambassador Stevens, Saudi and Qatar agents were using this so-called Consulate (it was not a Consulate) as a meeting place to supply and coordinate U.S. arms to the Syrian rebels who are at this time controlled by al Qaeda.
So, in other words with less than two months before a Presidential election the President didn't want to be seen by the world as supplying al Qaeda with arms. It would have and still could be a deal breaker for the American people.
As this story gains legs and more evidence streams out over the internet to Americans more and more are putting the pieces together. Some say this is another Iran-Contra Affair, which I would agree.
In the beginning the supplies to Syria were going to the right rebels but since Obama refused to commit openly and supportively to the rebels with technical and on the ground personal, al Qaeda took over.
So, instead of stopping the shipments al Qaeda continues to get our arms shipments.
This is very confusing isn't it? We have an al Qaeda affiliate in Libya attacking and assassinating one of the guys, Ambassador Stevens that was supplying their guys in Syria.
But, that’s what happens in the “fog of war” one hand sometimes never knows what the other is doing! This whole affair will become very embarrassing the Mr. Obama prior to Election Day, you can be sure of that!–

N.P.Contompasis

(just like the "fast and furious" another idiot idea from the head idiot, Obama, and they do not understand you can not deal with the Al Qaeda)
TV MAN

United States

#1525 Oct 25, 2012
Bruser wrote:
<quoted text>
Slow down greedy one, you will upset your pea brain. What happened?
I haven't been here for a while, I guess someone is taking you down a few steps, and taking the tarnish off of your GOLD. As you were told by someone, "You can't take it with you", not unless you tell them to bury you with your GOD $$$$$$.
Are you going to show your bankbook next idiot??? Now I know why you are in love with Barry Obama Soetoro, you can not stand or recognize the truth. Don't panic yet you have 2 more weeks left before all of your bonds tank fool, still time to sell them to some unsuspecting greedy person like you. Your bankbook must be as empty as your head. Calm down, everyone loses money in the stock market sooner or later, unless you are willing to go public and sell your advice, and make a complete fool of yourself. I didn't realize that you were a genius in your own mind. There too just like Barry Soetoro. I wonder if I can entice Chris Christie to make this speech about you????:
The truth about Barack Barry Soetoro Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =p_42vgOP_ZoXX
Now sit back TV Fool and learn something!
Why would you think the Market will tank? I can tell you one thing for sure. The Market can' tank because you want it to.
TV MAN

United States

#1526 Oct 25, 2012
Voice of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Here you go TV FOOL, learn from intelligent people, not from your own sick head:
http://live.wsj.com/video/how-to-really-ruin-... #!3BA23EB1-0274-450B-8824-6609 37F6CD50
Make sure you have a towel as you listen, you will need it!!!
Ben didn't say one thing I disagree with. However be aware, his bond explanation talks about investment grade bonds. I don't buy investment grade. I buy junk bonds. Investment grade doesn't pay a high enough return based on low risk. Junk bonds carry higher risk which equals much higher returns. I'm not sure you should care based on what Ben says. According to his studies you most likely belong to the group that will never have enough to make any difference.
TV MAN

United States

#1527 Oct 25, 2012
Helion Prime wrote:
<quoted text>
I find his argument over high risk bond returns incredibly unbelievable. You can't invest in Junk bonds and continuously receive high returns on your investments. If it is such a sure thing, why aren't more people doing it, and why are the EXPERTS advising against it?
Helion, are you having a problem figuring this out? Read and weep.

CONSTELLATION BRANDS INC NOTES CPN 8.375% DUE12/15/14 DTD 12/05/07 FC 06/15/08

FORD MOTOR CREDIT CO GLOBAL NOTES CPN 7.000% DUE10/01/13 DTD 09/23/03 FC 04/01/04

CNA FINANCIAL CORP BONDS NON CALL LIFE CPN 6.950% DUE01/15/18 DTD 01/13/98 FC 07/15/98

BREITBURN ENER/BREIT FIN COMPANY GTD CALLABLE CPN 8.625% DUE10/15/20 DTD 10/06/10 FC 04/15/11 CALL 10/15/15 @ 104.313 CALL2 10/15/16 @ 102.875

CHESAPEAKE ENERGY CORP SR UNSECURED CALLABLE CPN 6.875% DUE08/15/18 DTD 08/17/10 FC 02/15/11 CALL 08/15/13 @ 105.156 CALL2 08/15/14 @ 103.438

ICAHN ENTERPRISES/FIN COMPANY GTD CPN 8.000% DUE01/15/18 DTD 07/15/10 FC 01/15/11 CALL 01/15/14 @ 104.000 CALL2 01/15/15 @ 102.000

J C PENNEY & CO DEBENTURES NON CALL LIFE CPN 7.950% DUE04/01/17 DTD 04/14/97 FC 10/01/97

LORILLARD TOBACCO CO COMPANY GTD CPN 6.875% DUE05/01/20 DTD 04/12/10 FC 11/01/10
TV MAN

United States

#1528 Oct 25, 2012
To Helion Prime: Go figure

The reason for junk bonds is more then just high returns. It provides a steady stream of income.
Stocks are more about Capital Gains called appreciation. Stocks are slow and risky. Their like ranching. You buy a cow, feed it tell it's fat, and then slaughter it. I invest like a Dairy Farmer. Buy a cow, milk it ,put it back in the barn and milk again and again,and again. The stock is barely reaching it's level prior to the depression. For money invested in stocks in 2007, little has been made. Actually indexes haven't made much for 10 years. Savings doesn't pay. However junk bonds have been paying a large spread between low risk interest rates. If interest rates start moving up, laddering your bonds allow them to mature evenly and puts you in a position to re-invest at higher rates. I never put more then 5000 in any bond for protection of bankruptcy. Just my style, not telling anyone what to do.
TV MAN

United States

#1529 Oct 26, 2012
Hey "Conservatives", check this out. CEO's are telling Congress to Tax Them to avoid a "fiscal cliff". The CEO for Honeywell said that most wealthy people get it. They said Romney is a fool. They said all tax increases are not job killers, and admitted solving this issue without increases in taxes is ludicrous. TV MAN told you. Watch independents knock out Romney. Why? Because most independents are financially literate. Many conservatives today are clueless and could be dangerous for society. Not only that, their religious beliefs are interpreted in their favor. Do they really think they know what God Intends.
TV MAN

United States

#1530 Oct 26, 2012
Allow me to council Helion Prime. I will provide proof of the kind of conservative leadership "Helion Prime" is listening to.
1. Rush Limbaugh is branding a woman a "slut" because she thinks contraception should be part of her health insurance package.
2. Rep.Todd Akin's has the belief that the uterus somehow filters out unwanted sperm and Rep. Allen West's chastisement of an opponent's failure to act like a "lady" it becomes increasingly obvious some socially conservative men are stuck in a time warp.
3. Then you have Romney's binders full of women.
4. I say Romney close the binder and open your eyes.
5. Everyone should know Helion Prime supports women in binders.
6.Now you have a conservative that calls rape a God intention.

Ok folks, show me the sanity in this kind of thinking.
Where am I wrong?
Bruser

Massapequa, NY

#1531 Oct 27, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
Allow me to council Helion Prime. I will provide proof of the kind of conservative leadership "Helion Prime" is listening to.
1. Rush Limbaugh is branding a woman a "slut" because she thinks contraception should be part of her health insurance package.
2. Rep.Todd Akin's has the belief that the uterus somehow filters out unwanted sperm and Rep. Allen West's chastisement of an opponent's failure to act like a "lady" it becomes increasingly obvious some socially conservative men are stuck in a time warp.
3. Then you have Romney's binders full of women.
4. I say Romney close the binder and open your eyes.
5. Everyone should know Helion Prime supports women in binders.
6.Now you have a conservative that calls rape a God intention.
Ok folks, show me the sanity in this kind of thinking.
Where am I wrong?
Hey Nut Job, quote your sources. We know for a fact that the President is a Liar, the same as Billy boy Clinton. The Democ-rats only Lie and attack anyone questioning them, the same as TV Jerk.
He picks and choses what he will attack and answer, and the tons of posts that he has no answers for , he ignores. See the similarities? Ignorant/ignores. Case in point, Obama refuses to answer question re Benghazi, and flip flopping his story. "We didn't know, It was a protest to that movie., I said from the beginning it was a Terrorist attack" Al Qaeda said it was their attack 2 hours after it happened.Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, were part of a Global Response Staff or GRS that provides security to CIA case officers and provides countersurveillance and surveillance protection. They were killed by a mortar shell at 4 a.m. Libyan time, nearly seven hours after the attack on the Consulate began — a window that represented more than enough time for the U.S. military to send back-up from nearby bases in Europe, according to sources familiar with Special Operations. Four mortars were fired at the annex. The first one struck outside the annex. Three more hit the annex.

New Explosive Benghazi Allegations: CIA Operators Told to ‘Stand Down’ During Attack As 3 Urgent Requests for Military Back-Up Were Denied.“Joe Biden to Father of Former Navy SEAL Killed in Benghazi:‘Did Your Son Always Have Balls the Size of Cue Balls?’”

Woods, Doherty and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the Consulate which at that point was on fire….The quick reaction force from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the Consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours — enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Once more "GREEDY ONE" take your investment crap to the Financial section, the attack on Benghazi was an attack on U.S. Soil. Second attack on 9/11 of our country.

Sources: WABC, Fox News, The Blaze, CNN.....etc
TV MAN

United States

#1532 Oct 28, 2012
Bruser wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Nut Job, quote your sources. We know for a fact that the President is a Liar, the same as Billy boy Clinton. The Democ-rats only Lie and attack anyone questioning them, the same as TV Jerk.
He picks and choses what he will attack and answer, and the tons of posts that he has no answers for , he ignores. See the similarities? Ignorant/ignores. Case in point, Obama refuses to answer question re Benghazi, and flip flopping his story. "We didn't know, It was a protest to that movie., I said from the beginning it was a Terrorist attack" Al Qaeda said it was their attack 2 hours after it happened.Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, were part of a Global Response Staff or GRS that provides security to CIA case officers and provides countersurveillance and surveillance protection. They were killed by a mortar shell at 4 a.m. Libyan time, nearly seven hours after the attack on the Consulate began — a window that represented more than enough time for the U.S. military to send back-up from nearby bases in Europe, according to sources familiar with Special Operations. Four mortars were fired at the annex. The first one struck outside the annex. Three more hit the annex.
New Explosive Benghazi Allegations: CIA Operators Told to ‘Stand Down’ During Attack As 3 Urgent Requests for Military Back-Up Were Denied.“Joe Biden to Father of Former Navy SEAL Killed in Benghazi:‘Did Your Son Always Have Balls the Size of Cue Balls?’”
Woods, Doherty and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the Consulate which at that point was on fire….The quick reaction force from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the Consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.
At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours — enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.
Once more "GREEDY ONE" take your investment crap to the Financial section, the attack on Benghazi was an attack on U.S. Soil. Second attack on 9/11 of our country.
Sources: WABC, Fox News, The Blaze, CNN.....etc
Hey stupid, if you would've pay attention, the post you answered didn't have anything to do with finances. Can't you come up with something that requires your brain. First, Romney says he'll repeal Obama care in full. Then after putting his finger in the air to see which way the wind blows ,he decides to keep the good parts of Obama care. Why didn't he say that in the first place. Did he not know Obama care had good parts, or did he care. Take your pick, both answers tell you Romney will say anything for votes.

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