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#1469 Oct 15, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
<quoted text> 1). I could care less about your creative accounting. It doesn't really matter for those without a job. Comprehending the reasons are important. 2). Your goofy party including you, want to make this a Presidential thing, and much of it has been created by the internet. 3). The internet has taken the monopoly out of business. Entrepreneurs are very savvy creating lower costs with better technology. Welcome to the future. Figure it out idiot. Free markets are very unforgiving. Welcome to true Capitalism. What's wrong Fido need protection, and Obama wants to take it away. Try competing and using your brain. Change is good. Traditional methods are on their way out. It's called being pro active, yet you might call it progressive thinking. Exactly what the doctor has ordered.
Your post is nearly incomprehensible.

1). No accounting was involved. I merely reviewed information from the Labor Department on your behest. Clearly things aren't as prosperous as you thought

2). I never stated which party I belonged to. Simply because I disagree with Obama's fumbling of the economy doesn't make me a Republican.

3). I'm not sure what the message you're trying to convey is. That Capitalism is 'evil'? Are you claiming that Obama is a socialist? What are you referring to when you use the term "traditional methods"? What "change" are you referring to? What do you mean by "the internet has taken monopoly out of business"?
TV MAN

United States

#1470 Oct 15, 2012
Helion Prime wrote:
<quoted text>
Your post is nearly incomprehensible.
1). No accounting was involved. I merely reviewed information from the Labor Department on your behest. Clearly things aren't as prosperous as you thought
2). I never stated which party I belonged to. Simply because I disagree with Obama's fumbling of the economy doesn't make me a Republican.
3). I'm not sure what the message you're trying to convey is. That Capitalism is 'evil'? Are you claiming that Obama is a socialist? What are you referring to when you use the term "traditional methods"? What "change" are you referring to? What do you mean by "the internet has taken monopoly out of business"?
Sorry, I'm not into teaching, however it doesn't really matter. I only care about results, and I can't complain. You think whatever you like. I'll stick with my thinking, even when you disagree. All I can say is underemployment has moved down for the last two years, not up. The stock market has been moving up, not down. Interest rates are down, not up, and credit is coming back strong. Working for me.

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#1471 Oct 16, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, I'm not into teaching, however it doesn't really matter. I only care about results, and I can't complain. You think whatever you like. I'll stick with my thinking, even when you disagree. All I can say is underemployment has moved down for the last two years, not up. The stock market has been moving up, not down. Interest rates are down, not up, and credit is coming back strong. Working for me.
How can you believe any of this when I provided you with proof from the Labor Department that this is clearly not the case?

Unemployment: Refer back to my original post for information.

Stock Market: "Benchmarks lost their initial gains to end mostly flat as apprehensions about contracting profits of financial bellwethers dented investor sentiment on Friday. At the close of the trading session on Friday, markets recorded their worst weekly performance in four months."

"The financial sector had a bad run and the Financial Select Sector SPDR (ETF) dropped 1.3%. Stocks such as JPM, Citigroup Inc.(NYSE: C ), Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.(NYSE: GS ), PNC Financial Services (NYSE: PNC ) and Wells Fargo lost 1.1%, 2.2%, 1.5%, 2.8% and 2.6% respectively."

- The Financial sector is of the utmost importance. Losses within this sector are never a good sign.

Link: http://community.nasdaq.com/News/2012-10/stoc...

Interest Rates: According to Forbes the interest rates are going to increase during the 2012 and 2013 season.

"I expect long rates to rise by about a percentage point a year for 2012 and 2013, which would leave the ten-year Treasury bond around four percent and the 30-year mortgage about 5.6 percent at the end of 2013."

"This is an ugly time for fixed-income investors."

Link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/billconerly/2012/...

Credit: What credit are you referring to?
TV MAN

United States

#1472 Oct 17, 2012
Helion Prime wrote:
<quoted text>
How can you believe any of this when I provided you with proof from the Labor Department that this is clearly not the case?
Unemployment: Refer back to my original post for information.
Stock Market: "Benchmarks lost their initial gains to end mostly flat as apprehensions about contracting profits of financial bellwethers dented investor sentiment on Friday. At the close of the trading session on Friday, markets recorded their worst weekly performance in four months."
"The financial sector had a bad run and the Financial Select Sector SPDR (ETF) dropped 1.3%. Stocks such as JPM, Citigroup Inc.(NYSE: C ), Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.(NYSE: GS ), PNC Financial Services (NYSE: PNC ) and Wells Fargo lost 1.1%, 2.2%, 1.5%, 2.8% and 2.6% respectively."
- The Financial sector is of the utmost importance. Losses within this sector are never a good sign.
Link: http://community.nasdaq.com/News/2012-10/stoc...
Interest Rates: According to Forbes the interest rates are going to increase during the 2012 and 2013 season.
"I expect long rates to rise by about a percentage point a year for 2012 and 2013, which would leave the ten-year Treasury bond around four percent and the 30-year mortgage about 5.6 percent at the end of 2013."
"This is an ugly time for fixed-income investors."
Link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/billconerly/2012/...
Credit: What credit are you referring to?
Stop trying to make sense out of the so called experts. Most of these people are risk managers. Their stupid. Stop acting like the herd mentality. I'm a bond daddy, and make my living on different streams of income. Interest rates are going no where for a while. Check out corp.bonds and you might comprehend. In fact bonds are becoming hard to get, because institutions are buying them up. My daughter is a teacher and she allowed me to invest her money with the money managers of her plan. It's called a 403B plan. I put her money in the S and P 500 index for 49%, and 51% in high yield corp. bonds. Her return for the last twelve months is 19.89 percent. From year to date it's 11.99 percent. It's only bad for fixed income invested in stupid CD's or some stock that pays nothing. It's stupid for people invested in mutual funds with high fee's. Junk bonds are kicking a-s. If you can read between the lines on a balance sheet you'll find the tricks, and comprehend a healthy company over a bankrupt company. It's a game and you haven't figured it out. Romney has, and so have I. Private investment firms like Bain are taking advantage of company's that were over loaded in debt, and their revenue fell, and wasn't able to service the operating expenses. We love good company's that are short on cash. We gobble them up, cut operating expenses, and take the cash. It's easy when you have the money to kick people while their down. Get it "FOOL".

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#1473 Oct 17, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
<quoted text>Stop trying to make sense out of the so called experts. Most of these people are risk managers. Their stupid. Stop acting like the herd mentality. I'm a bond daddy, and make my living on different streams of income. Interest rates are going no where for a while. Check out corp.bonds and you might comprehend. In fact bonds are becoming hard to get, because institutions are buying them up. My daughter is a teacher and she allowed me to invest her money with the money managers of her plan. It's called a 403B plan. I put her money in the S and P 500 index for 49%, and 51% in high yield corp. bonds. Her return for the last twelve months is 19.89 percent. From year to date it's 11.99 percent. It's only bad for fixed income invested in stupid CD's or some stock that pays nothing. It's stupid for people invested in mutual funds with high fee's. Junk bonds are kicking a-s. If you can read between the lines on a balance sheet you'll find the tricks, and comprehend a healthy company over a bankrupt company. It's a game and you haven't figured it out. Romney has, and so have I. Private investment firms like Bain are taking advantage of company's that were over loaded in debt, and their revenue fell, and wasn't able to service the operating expenses. We love good company's that are short on cash. We gobble them up, cut operating expenses, and take the cash. It's easy when you have the money to kick people while their down. Get it "FOOL".
What does this have to do with the information I posted? You can't just write off experts on the subject by calling them stupid (which is ironic since you used "their" instead of the proper "they're"). Corporate bonds have weakened since the downgrade in 2011 and they have low yields as of today's reports. Given the uncertain global economic picture, investors are more likely to invest in municipal bonds, this way they won't be exposed to the volatility of countries like Spain. Thus, your assertion that corporate and junk bonds are the way to go is completely false. I addressed S&P In one of my other posts. I believe information gathered states that it was down over the past few months. How you got your client a 2% increase is beyond me.

Please stop referring to me as "fool", it's rather childish, and it's a real detriment to whatever argument you're trying to make.
TV MAN

United States

#1474 Oct 17, 2012
Is there something wrong with you.
Check out these yields. Maybe you'll learn something.

FORD HOLDING INC DEBENTURE NON CALL LIFE CPN 9.375% DUE03/01/20 DTD 03/01/90 FC 09/01/90

CONSOL ENERGY INC COMPANY GTD CALLABLE CPN 8.000% DUE04/01/17 DTD 10/01/10 FC 04/01/11 CALL 04/01/14 @ 104.000 CALL2 04/01/15 @ 102.000

EAGLE ROCK ENER PART/FIN COMPANY GTD CPN 8.375% DUE06/01/19 DTD 12/01/11 FC 06/01/12 CALL 06/01/15 @ 104.188 CALL2 06/01/16 @ 102.094

COOPER TIRE & RUBBER NOTES NON CALLABLE CPN 8.000% DUE12/15/19 DTD 12/13/99 FC 06/15/00

GOODYEAR TIRE & RUBBER SENIOR NOTES CPN 8.250% DUE08/15/20 DTD 08/13/10 FC 02/15/11 CALL 08/15/15 @ 104.125 CALL2 08/15/16 @ 102.750

NRG ENERGY INC SR UNSECURED CPN 8.500% DUE06/15/19 DTD 06/05/09 FC 12/15/09 CALL 06/15/14 @ 104.250 CALL2 06/15/15 @ 102.830

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#1475 Oct 18, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
Is there something wrong with you.
Check out these yields. Maybe you'll learn something.
FORD HOLDING INC DEBENTURE NON CALL LIFE CPN 9.375% DUE03/01/20 DTD 03/01/90 FC 09/01/90
CONSOL ENERGY INC COMPANY GTD CALLABLE CPN 8.000% DUE04/01/17 DTD 10/01/10 FC 04/01/11 CALL 04/01/14 @ 104.000 CALL2 04/01/15 @ 102.000
EAGLE ROCK ENER PART/FIN COMPANY GTD CPN 8.375% DUE06/01/19 DTD 12/01/11 FC 06/01/12 CALL 06/01/15 @ 104.188 CALL2 06/01/16 @ 102.094
COOPER TIRE & RUBBER NOTES NON CALLABLE CPN 8.000% DUE12/15/19 DTD 12/13/99 FC 06/15/00
GOODYEAR TIRE & RUBBER SENIOR NOTES CPN 8.250% DUE08/15/20 DTD 08/13/10 FC 02/15/11 CALL 08/15/15 @ 104.125 CALL2 08/15/16 @ 102.750
NRG ENERGY INC SR UNSECURED CPN 8.500% DUE06/15/19 DTD 06/05/09 FC 12/15/09 CALL 06/15/14 @ 104.250 CALL2 06/15/15 @ 102.830
Cherry picking yields isn't very constructive...
TV MAN

United States

#1476 Oct 18, 2012
Helion Prime wrote:
<quoted text>
Cherry picking yields isn't very constructive...
Are you kidding, cherry picking is what it's all about. would you like a few more? try these on for size.

CASE NEW HOLLAND INC COMPANY GTD CPN 7.750% DUE09/01/13 DTD 03/01/10 FC 09/01/10

CHESAPEAKE ENERGY CORP SENIOR NOTES CALLABLE CPN 7.250% DUE12/15/18 DTD 05/27/08 FC 12/15/08

COOPER TIRE & RUBBER NOTES NON CALLABLE CPN 8.000% DUE12/15/19 DTD 12/13/99 FC 06/15/00

EQUINIX INC SENIOR NOTES CALLABLE CPN 8.125% DUE03/01/18 DTD 03/03/10 FC 09/01/10 CALL 03/01/14 @ 104.063 CALL2 03/01/15 @ 102.031

ICAHN ENTERPRISES/FIN COMPANY GTD CALLABLE CPN 7.750% DUE01/15/16 DTD 07/15/10 FC 01/15/11 CALL 01/15/13 @ 103.875 CALL2 01/15/14 @ 101.938

Should I keep going.
This is what I do, it's called investing, however you got to have money. Get ya some.
fact check

Charleston, IL

#1477 Oct 18, 2012
Finally a look at Romney's tax plan.

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/
TV MAN

United States

#1478 Oct 18, 2012
Helion Prime wrote:
<quoted text>
What does this have to do with the information I posted? You can't just write off experts on the subject by calling them stupid (which is ironic since you used "their" instead of the proper "they're"). Corporate bonds have weakened since the downgrade in 2011 and they have low yields as of today's reports. Given the uncertain global economic picture, investors are more likely to invest in municipal bonds, this way they won't be exposed to the volatility of countries like Spain. Thus, your assertion that corporate and junk bonds are the way to go is completely false. I addressed S&P In one of my other posts. I believe information gathered states that it was down over the past few months. How you got your client a 2% increase is beyond me.
Please stop referring to me as "fool", it's rather childish, and it's a real detriment to whatever argument you're trying to make.
Using the proper there,their, or they're, doesn't make you money. I don't boggle the mind with b.s. that doesn't pay good. Where did you come up with a 2% increase? Do you consider two months ample investment time, give me a break. I've been laddering purchases for my daughter for the last three years. You don't purchase everything in one lump sum, or all at one time. My daughter has been acquiring stock and bonds over the last three years and her maturity dates or laddered in case of interest rate increases. The bond market is through the roof. Until the values start dropping interest rates aren't going any where. If they go up, bond values will move down, and if you've laddered your investments you'll be able to take advantage of higher rates. It's called working while sitting down not standing up. Ask Romney he does it every day. Like I said he's not some little businessman or business owner. He transfers their wealth to himself. Smart guy. Get it yet, Big Shot.
Voice of Reason

Massapequa, NY

#1479 Oct 19, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
<quoted text>Using the proper there,their, or they're, doesn't make you money. I don't boggle the mind with b.s. that doesn't pay good. Where did you come up with a 2% increase? Do you consider two months ample investment time, give me a break. I've been laddering purchases for my daughter for the last three years. You don't purchase everything in one lump sum, or all at one time. My daughter has been acquiring stock and bonds over the last three years and her maturity dates or laddered in case of interest rate increases. The bond market is through the roof. Until the values start dropping interest rates aren't going any where. If they go up, bond values will move down, and if you've laddered your investments you'll be able to take advantage of higher rates. It's called working while sitting down not standing up. Ask Romney he does it every day. Like I said he's not some little businessman or business owner. He transfers their wealth to himself. Smart guy. Get it yet, Big Shot.
Helion, this TV Jerk is just that. He has made enough typo's to fill another dictionary, and he calls anyone out for a mis-type?
Just like a true money grabber and Liberals(when he can make money out of it) He lives for $$$$, and has no GOD but $$$$. Let me know if you can take it with you Fool! He talks about Romney. What about Hussein Phony Obama. Here are his speeches from 2008-2009, and his same speech in 2012. Nothing new here the same old phony promises, and more spending of American voters dollars. I wonder how long it will take before the information on how much money he has secretly stashed away in off shore accounts? Listen to these
empty rhetorical speeches:

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Too bad he doesn't have the tel-prompter to check on what he had promised before, and never did anything new. 4 more years of empty promises. At least Romney has a successful history, Obama hid all of his past, and made sure no one could expose him by passing laws to ensure that, including his supposed Birth Certificate. Why doesn't he release his Hawaii birth certificate??? If the American people love suffering then vote for Obama again. People like TV Jerk make money on the backs of other people, probably with information given to him by the DNC on what Barry Obama Soetoro
has told them. Ha ha, and he has the audacity to talk about other people. Notice Barry Soetoro couldn't talk about his domestic achievements, or his foreign policies, he has none. He will throw everyone under the bus, Hillary, Rice.....etc for the terrorists
attacks, that he first blamed a movie for.
Crawl back into your hole TV Fool!.
TV MAN

United States

#1480 Oct 19, 2012
Voice of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Helion, this TV Jerk is just that. He has made enough typo's to fill another dictionary, and he calls anyone out for a mis-type?
Just like a true money grabber and Liberals(when he can make money out of it) He lives for $$$$, and has no GOD but $$$$. Let me know if you can take it with you Fool! He talks about Romney. What about Hussein Phony Obama. Here are his speeches from 2008-2009, and his same speech in 2012. Nothing new here the same old phony promises, and more spending of American voters dollars. I wonder how long it will take before the information on how much money he has secretly stashed away in off shore accounts? Listen to these
empty rhetorical speeches:
http://www.youtube.com/watch... real name is voice of fools.
v=fZgQhnNRSuw&feature=yout ube_gdata_player
Too bad he doesn't have the tel-prompter to check on what he had promised before, and never did anything new. 4 more years of empty promises. At least Romney has a successful history, Obama hid all of his past, and made sure no one could expose him by passing laws to ensure that, including his supposed Birth Certificate. Why doesn't he release his Hawaii birth certificate??? If the American people love suffering then vote for Obama again. People like TV Jerk make money on the backs of other people, probably with information given to him by the DNC on what Barry Obama Soetoro
has told them. Ha ha, and he has the audacity to talk about other people. Notice Barry Soetoro couldn't talk about his domestic achievements, or his foreign policies, he has none. He will throw everyone under the bus, Hillary, Rice.....etc for the terrorists
attacks, that he first blamed a movie for.
Crawl back into your hole TV Fool!.
Your real name is voice of fools.
Voice of Reason

Massapequa, NY

#1481 Oct 20, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
<quoted text>Your real name is voice of fools.
When you have no logical, or sensible answer, the liberal thing to do is to attack the poster. True "money loving fool" that you are.
As I posted, "you are not going to take it with you when you leave this life". I can just hear you crying " Bury my money with me"!
Why aren't you on the "financial blogs?". You claim to be smarter than an ex-Judge Kithel who tore apart the Obama(Soetoro), Pewlousy,Reid Healthcare bill. You do not pay attention to logical, proven facts,and respond with facts by saying "Using the proper there,their, or they're, doesn't make you money. I don't boggle the mind with b.s. that doesn't pay good." You are a sham, and a phony lying, money grabbing, scrooge, and probably a soulless, atheistic person. Too bad you expose your greed in such a way. Once again, why don't you go on the financial blogs with you crap, your inane semantics would be better suitable there than on this blog. You try to intimate that you are a millionaire. Are you trying to say that you do not need brains to scam money?? I guess that is why you are a Barry Soetoro Obama fan. Remember fool, "A fool and his gold are soon parted", one bad investment, and your love "money" are gone. Then what would you have left??? Emptiness, just like your soul. What a waste of life!
Voice of Reason

Massapequa, NY

#1482 Oct 20, 2012
Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:48 PM EDT
This is a lengthy list of lies told by this president, a list Glenn Beck went through on radio
1) BIDEN: Look, I was there when we did that with Social Security in 1983. I was one of eight people sitting in the room that included Tip O’Neill associating with President Reagan.
GLENN: Okay. Now he was talking about how great President Reagan was. First of all, Joe Biden never thought President Reagan was great. I mean, these guys hated him when he was in office. But he’s specifically talking about how great Reagan is and how we need to get together, and he was, as he just said, in the room. Now, I should mention here that even as cynical as I have become about these progressive politicians, I took Biden at his word on that. And who would say that?“I was there.” Okay, then you can dance around it. But then he followed up,“I was in the room with about eight people when we did this.” Fortunately ABC’s Jake Tapper didn’t take him at word. Jake looked into it and found out that, yes, Joe Biden was not in the room. He lied. He wasn’t in the room working out that deal. He was not one of the key negotiators. Tapper called Biden on it, caught him in his bold&#8209;face lie and how did he respond? This is what the office said: In 1983 the then Senator Biden was one of many senators who weighed in on budget&#8209;related issues from the party leadership including on Social Security reform. In particular he was one of the group of members who met with Tip O’Neill while the speaker was negotiating with President Reagan on reform specifics. In those meetings the vice president, other members gave their thoughts on the negotiations to the speaker and the Senate majority leader &#8209;&#8209; or minority leader Robert Byrd.
2) Obama claimed he did not cut permits and licenses for oil and gas leases on federal land and federal waters in half.
After Obama called Romney a liar for bringing up the figure, Chris Wallace found out Romney was right but only after the debate was over.
3) Obama’s campaign claimed Romney was planning a $5 trillion tax cut for the wealthy.
Stephanie Cutter has come out and admitted this is untrue.
4) OBAMA:“ We stabilized the banking system but we got back every dime we used to rescue the banks with interest.”
GLENN: Did we really? Because according to the Congressional Budget Office we’re losing $24 billion on that deal. The same day he said that, the CBO comes out and says we’ve lost $24 billion. That’s a lot of dimes, Mr. President.
5) OBAMA:“Under Governor Romney’s definition, there are a whole bunch of millionaires and billionaires who are small businesses. Donald Trump is a small business.”
GLENN: No, Mr. President, Donald Trump has upwards of 25,000 employees, or more. His revenue and his other millionaires and billionaires receive &#8209;&#8209; the revenues that he receives makes him ineligible for this. Another lie. The president told Univision that he inherited the scandalous, deadly, and disastrous Fast and Furious program.
6) OBAMA: First of all, I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field&#8209;initiated program begun under the previous administration. When Eric Holder found out about it, he discontinued it.
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GLENN: This is an outrageous lie, according to ABC News. ABC reports in actuality the Fast and Furious program was started October 2009. October 2009. That’s the year the president got in. Bush’s last day ended in ’08. Instead Obama claims Bush started it, Holder discovered it and stopped it. Instead of beginning the plan in 2009? What? What an outrageous lie. How the media is not all over this administration for this, how the media thinks this ends up well for them or for any American, you cannot allow somebody with this much power to out&#8209;and&#8209;ou t lie over and over and outrageous lies.
(and that is without touching on Benghazi)
Voice of Reason

Massapequa, NY

#1483 Oct 20, 2012
Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:48 PM EDT

This is a lengthy list of lies told by this president, a list Glenn Beck went through on radio

1) BIDEN: Look, I was there when we did that with Social Security in 1983. I was one of eight people sitting in the room that included Tip O’Neill associating with President Reagan.

GLENN: Okay. Now he was talking about how great President Reagan was. First of all, Joe Biden never thought President Reagan was great. I mean, these guys hated him when he was in office. But he’s specifically talking about how great Reagan is and how we need to get together, and he was, as he just said, in the room. Now, I should mention here that even as a &#8209;&#8209; even as cynical as I have become about these progressive politicians, I took Biden at his word on that. And who would say that?“I was there.” Okay, then you can dance around it. But then he followed up,“I was in the room with about eight people when we did this.” Fortunately ABC’s Jake Tapper didn’t take him at word. Jake looked into it and found out that, yes, Joe Biden was not in the room. He lied. He wasn’t in the room working out that deal. He was not one of the key negotiators. Tapper called Biden on it, caught him in his bold&#8209;face lie and how did he respond? This is what the office said: In 1983 the then Senator Biden was one of many senators who weighed in on budget&#8209;related issues from the party leadership including on Social Security reform. In particular he was one of the group of members who met with Tip O’Neill while the speaker was negotiating with President Reagan on reform specifics. In those meetings the vice president, other members gave their thoughts on the negotiations to the speaker and the Senate minority leader Robert Byrd.

2) Obama claimed he did not cut permits and licenses for oil and gas leases on federal land and federal waters in half.

After Obama called Romney a liar for bringing up the figure, Chris Wallace found out Romney was right but only after the debate was over.

3) Obama’s campaign claimed Romney was planning a $5 trillion tax cut for the wealthy.

Stephanie Cutter has come out and admitted this is untrue.

4) OBAMA:“ We stabilized the banking system but we got back every dime we used to rescue the banks with interest.”

GLENN: Did we really? Because according to the Congressional Budget Office we’re losing $24 billion on that deal. The same day he said that, the CBO comes out and says we’ve lost $24 billion. That’s a lot of dimes, Mr. President.

5) OBAMA:“Under Governor Romney’s definition, there are a whole bunch of millionaires and billionaires who are small businesses. Donald Trump is a small business.”

GLENN: No, Mr. President, Donald Trump has upwards of 25,000 employees, or more. His revenue and his other millionaires and billionaires receive &#8209;&#8209; the revenues that he receives makes him ineligible for this. Another lie. The president told Univision that he inherited the scandalous, deadly, and disastrous Fast and Furious program.

6) OBAMA: First of all, I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field&#8209;initiated program begun under the previous administration. When Eric Holder found out about it, he discontinued it.
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GLENN: This is an outrageous lie, according to ABC News. ABC reports in actuality the Fast and Furious program was started October 2009. October 2009. That’s the year the president got in. Bush’s last day ended in ’08. Instead Obama claims Bush started it, Holder discovered it and stopped it. Instead of beginning the plan in 2009? What? What an outrageous lie. How the media is not all over this administration for this, how the media thinks this ends up well for them or for any American, you cannot allow somebody with this much power to out&#8209;and&#8209;ou t lie over and over and outrageous lies.
(and that is without touching on Benghazi)
Voice of Reason

Massapequa, NY

#1484 Oct 20, 2012
Something TV Jerk doesn't want to read, it is "FACTS"

By Jake Tapper

Oct 16, 2012 4:33pm
In VP Debate, Biden Seemed to Overstate His Role in Social Security Reform
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During the vice presidential debate last week, Vice President Joe Biden seemed to significantly overstate his role in the 1983 negotiations over Social Security.

Asked about Medicare reform, the vice president said,“Look, I was there when we did that with Social Security in 1983. I was one of eight people sitting in the room that included Tip O’Neill negotiating with President Reagan. We all got together and everybody said, as long as everybody’s in the deal, everybody’s in the deal, and everybody is making some sacrifice, we can find a way.”

The comment would seem to suggest that Biden was one of the few, key players “in the room” working in a bipartisan way to reform Social Security.

On “Meet the Press” on April 29, 2007, then-Sen. Biden made a similar claim, saying he was “one of five people — I was the junior guy — in the meeting with Bob Dole and George Mitchell when we put Social Security on the right path for 60 years.”

But according to the historical record, Biden was not one of the small group of people in “the room,” or in “the meeting”— nor was he even a key player in reforms.

Those close to the Social Security reform process say that the chief negotiations were made between then-Sens. Bob Dole, R-Kansas, and Daniel Patrick Moynihan, D-N.Y., through the National Commission on Social Security Reform, which worked throughout 1982 on recommendations to help guarantee the solvency of the program, and conducted final negotiations in January 1983. The commission kept President Ronald Reagan and House Speaker Tip O’Neill, D-Mass., in the loop throughout the process.

President Reagan signed their work into law in April 1983. There were 15 members of the commission, including Dole, Moynihan, and two other senators; Biden was not one of them. Nor was he at the signing ceremony.

I guess TV Fool is in good company with the lying
Democ-rats.
Voice of Reason

Massapequa, NY

#1485 Oct 20, 2012
Mark Levin (WABC radio) receives a telephone call from a NeuroSurgeon, that he was called in to a meeting by the HHS, that if they were called in on an emergency call, and the patient was over 70 years old, they have to wait until the HHS United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)indicates what treatment they can receive.....I guess TV Jerk wasn't called in on that meeting.....lol. All joking aside this is the death panel that we have been warning you Seniors about. Listen to this and make your own mind up, and just maybe it will tell you whom to vote for, keeping in mind yourself and maybe your over 70 year old parents and grand-parents.(The radio station verified the caller was a bon-a-fide NeuroSurgeon)

TV MAN

United States

#1486 Oct 21, 2012
Voice Of Fools: Please stop all the rant, it's boring and worthless. No one cares.
Voice of Reason

Massapequa, NY

#1487 Oct 22, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
Voice Of Fools: Please stop all the rant, it's boring and worthless. No one cares.
Whats wrong TV Fool, the truth hurts? Don't worry when Romney wins, and straightens up the ship, the opportunity to make money will be ten-fold, the only difference is that, "Everyone" will be able to make money, and I guess you are fearful that you will not be so unusual then, and your Idiot hat won't be so shiny then, and you won't be able to go on bragging about your love, "$$$$". Worry more about your soul fool, that is the only thing we will have when the end of the road comes for all of us. Do everyone a favor, you claim I and others rant, then stop ranting and showing off on this blog. If you deem what is posted as worthless, it means that you yourself are worthless. Take stock of your life Fool, the sand is running out. You call me "Voice of fools", then you are calling yourself a fool. But I guess you don't realize that, otherwise you wouldn't be posting your inane posts, and backing an "actor", and a professional "Liar", who hides himself and all of his prior actions because he doesn't want anyone to realize that he is the "Captain of Fools", which is what those that follow him are.
Now go into the corner, and try to make your God,"$$$$" happy.
what sense

Massapequa, NY

#1488 Oct 22, 2012
Candy Crowley validates Obama?s lie
10:02 AM

From the Desk of:
David Martin, Executive Vice President
Media Research Center

Hubert,

During last week’s town hall debate, the American people who were watching saw one of the most stunning and disgraceful single examples of moderator malpractice in the history of presidential debates. CNN’s Candy Crowley allowed Barack Obama to lie to the American people about his administration’s Libya cover-up.

Even worse, she then validated this lie of extraordinary magnitude by certifying it as honest and by attacking Mitt Romney when he pressed the president on his administration's cover-up.

Crowley robbed tens of millions of Americans of the truth on national primetime television. Real journalists – who were fed the Obama Administration's Libya lies for two weeks – should be furious.

Crowley was solely responsible for choosing the questions, meaning that it was her decision that there be only one question about Libya and nothing about anything else dealing with foreign policy.

Her question selection process was typically left wing. Going into the debate, the Media Research Center has documented that since 1992, moderators have called upon voters with a liberal agenda twice as often as those with a conservative agenda.

The citizens selected by Crowley matched that tilt exactly, with six pro-Obama/liberal-themed questions, vs. three pro-Romney questions, and two others scored as neutral.

Crowley was an utter disaster, and was, by far, the worst moderator of the 2012 election.

The Libya cover-up continues, and the national news media need to start asking some tough questions – including questions about one of their own.

If Obama was correct that on Day 1 he said it was a terrorist attack, why did his UN ambassador say on five different national interviews that it was a YouTube video that was responsible, and who put her up to it? If he saw this as a terrorist attack from the very beginning, why did the president himself blame it on a video six times during a UN speech?

Why has he made the statement so many times, as has Hillary Clinton, as has Jay Carney, as have others?

And why did Candy Crowley validate this lie?

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