Health Care Debate - Lawton, OK

Discuss the national Health Care debate in Lawton, OK.

Do you support President Obama's health care policy?

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Angel

Foster, OK

#1 Nov 22, 2009
Obama doesnt know what he is doing when it comes to that. Also his yes men dont either.
gdmd78

Lawton, OK

#2 Dec 9, 2009
Too expensive...includes care for illegal aliens and they want to pay for abortions also...not particularly against women having abortions for medical reasons especially, but don't feel government (taxpayers) should be responsible for paying for them.
RDT

Nottingham, MD

#3 Dec 20, 2009
Obamacare raises taxes, lowers funding for MediCare, provides kickbacks through MediGap to AARP for their support and doesn't do anything to address the problems of rising health care costs. Private insurance companies now get 31 million guaranteed insurance policies. Everyone should be happy but those insured paying for their own policies that will go up in price thanks to increased government involvement in 1/6 of our economy. Entitlement programs always grow in cost to the taxpayer. America is getting what we deserve for voting the Obamessiah into office.
atheist angel

Reston, VA

#4 Jan 22, 2010
We already have socialized healthcare!! So why is it good enough for service members, but not for the rest of America? The people against it need to come out of their compounds, leave the guns and anger and look at it for what it really is--not what they are told to see by the Republicans. The other poster needs to dip into reality; every President has yes men.
Dave

Miami, FL

#5 Jan 22, 2010
atheist angel wrote:
We already have socialized healthcare!! So why is it good enough for service members, but not for the rest of America? The people against it need to come out of their compounds, leave the guns and anger and look at it for what it really is--not what they are told to see by the Republicans. The other poster needs to dip into reality; every President has yes men.
First service members have paid for it. If you want it go in the service its that easy. As to looking at it for what it really is; OK it's about control plain and simple. Government control over life and death decisions made by some one in Washington. By the way what two government programs work better than private ones?
atheist angel

Reston, VA

#6 Jan 22, 2010
Dave wrote:
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First service members have paid for it. If you want it go in the service its that easy. As to looking at it for what it really is; OK it's about control plain and simple. Government control over life and death decisions made by some one in Washington. By the way what two government programs work better than private ones?
My husband is active duty and I am a veteran; so we do have it. Furthermore, there are no 'death panels'(just drummed up hype from the Republican party, much the same as communism was in the 50's) and to talk about life/death decisions--doesn't privatized health care do a good job at running that? Research how many people, young and old alike, have died because the insurance either refused to approve coverage, took to long, decided it wasn't worth the risk, deemed the cancer or tumors 'non-life threatening', you can only go to Dr.s they say are ok...it goes on and on. It's sad, but a fact of life; people have to die for more to be born. I don't think that anyone likes that idea, in fact it makes me cringe a bit even though I know that is just part of life's natural process. A couple of my cousins are Dr.s in France and in Luxembourg. I've spoke with them about their thoughts on the way their system is ran vs ours. Both told me about how much easier it is for everyone there from newborn to 100! They have said the same as the rest of my family and friends that live overseas, some who left here to go back due to health issues. Again, the government would have no more 'control' than a private health insurance company.
Dave

Miami, FL

#7 Jan 22, 2010
atheist angel wrote:
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My husband is active duty and I am a veteran; so we do have it. Furthermore, there are no 'death panels'(just drummed up hype from the Republican party, much the same as communism was in the 50's) and to talk about life/death decisions--doesn't privatized health care do a good job at running that? Research how many people, young and old alike, have died because the insurance either refused to approve coverage, took to long, decided it wasn't worth the risk, deemed the cancer or tumors 'non-life threatening', you can only go to Dr.s they say are ok...it goes on and on. It's sad, but a fact of life; people have to die for more to be born. I don't think that anyone likes that idea, in fact it makes me cringe a bit even though I know that is just part of life's natural process. A couple of my cousins are Dr.s in France and in Luxembourg. I've spoke with them about their thoughts on the way their system is ran vs ours. Both told me about how much easier it is for everyone there from newborn to 100! They have said the same as the rest of my family and friends that live overseas, some who left here to go back due to health issues. Again, the government would have no more 'control' than a private health insurance company.
First thanks for your service. I too have served (retired) lived overseas for about 12 years have seen their systems up close and you can have them. I had to leave Germany due to family medical problems so I really have an up close account. I never said anything about death panels only life and death decisions being made by people in Washington far removed from those having to face the problem. In case of bad private insurance you may be able to change with government mandated programs you have no recourse. Like being a soldier you can't sue the government but you can a private insurance company.
atheist angel

Reston, VA

#8 Jan 23, 2010
Dave wrote:
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First thanks for your service. I too have served (retired) lived overseas for about 12 years have seen their systems up close and you can have them. I had to leave Germany due to family medical problems so I really have an up close account. I never said anything about death panels only life and death decisions being made by people in Washington far removed from those having to face the problem. In case of bad private insurance you may be able to change with government mandated programs you have no recourse. Like being a soldier you can't sue the government but you can a private insurance company.
Thank you for your service as well! And let me apologize now for misunderstanding you about the death panels. When you stated life and death decision, I associated it with the so called death panels (I hear about it almost everyday from somebody). I'm pretty sure that we can find people that have had good and bad experiences with social and private healthcare. I support social healthcare because I really feel we'd be better off as a nation in regards to allowing everyone to seek medical care (besides emergency room care). Perhaps we could agree that since we have both had/have serious medical issues, we can attest to the toll it takes when worried about ourselves or loved ones being taken care of. Not everyone can afford insurance, and not everyone qualifies for Medicare/Medicaid. Those people are left in limbo and have to decide to either to keep working at a rate that doesn't allow for them to properly care (medically speaking) for their families or quit working to recieve welfare provided they were not in a position to further advance their education/skills. I do have the same problem as you regarding the right to sue. Personally, I don't think that anything or anyone should be exempt from questioning or being held legally accountable. I would propose a social healthcare system that would include the allowance of malpractice claims, etc to be taken to court. I do know that every competent adult is responsible for planning ahead, but sometimes wrenches are thrown in the mix and it is just heartbreaking to see a little kid with cancer who can't get all the treatment available because they were born into a financially challenged family or the elderly couple that are in their 70's and still being forced to work.

While I certainly understand that the Dr.s have to get paid to stay in business, I can't imagine how callous you'd have to be to diagnose a treatable life threatening condition to a child or parent (or anyone else)--but withhold treatment due to lack of insurance or lack of ability to afford the copays. I say this because on of my cousin's (a Dr.) friends had attempted suicide because of the emotional toll that Dr.s often hide. Some are driven by money and some are driven by their love of life and compassion for their fellow human beings. Knowing you have the skill, equipment, and medicine to help a family be happy but not being able to provide it because of all the red tape is heartbreaking.
Dave

Miami, FL

#9 Jan 23, 2010
atheist angel Thank you for have a real point of view and willing to discuss the points! It's rare today.

I agree that there are many cases: of poor care, people in need, and other areas in-which the system could be improved. My problems with this bill are many: the way in-which it was pushed through in back door closed meetings, no open debate, it's length (about 1,000 pages), the need to bribe ones own party to get votes, the cost, the control of health care by politicians far removed from those needing care, no recourse for the care provided, the number of doctors that say they will retire if passed, the added number of people without an increase in care providers, forcing someone to buy something they have chosen not to buy, and that it goes against the constitution.

When someone is facing a major health problem having to deal with the government bureaucracy this bill will have to impose can in no way improve quality of care, speed of treatment, or lessen the mental stress.

If the results of this bill will be so great why are the fees, taxes and other payments to the government enforced immediately but the increase in care not to take effect for years? We will pay for ten years of treatment but only receive five; so that the actual results of the bill won't be felt until after the next presidential election.

All in all when I add it up I can't see any good coming to the people outside of Washington but, I can see a lot money and power going to Washington.
Urpopedoesboys

Reston, VA

#10 Sep 2, 2010
Only uneducated redneck bubba's would not understand that we pay for healthcare anyways!!...You know the ones without any insurance, skips out on medical bills driving up high costs & the Mary Beth's & Timmy Todd's who consider breeding an actual career and sucking off the welfare system. Socialized healthcare is good enough for the military..and we pay anyways, then of course let's go the more economic route.
Laura

Albania

#11 Sep 28, 2010
i agree
Brad Alexander

Madison, WI

#12 Sep 28, 2010
I agree What he has done is spent alot time and tax money to cause those of us who pay for health insurance to pay higher premiums.
2nd Lt Tobias C Alexand

Westbury, NY

#13 May 26, 2012
The Department of Defense announced today the death of two soldiers who were supporting Operation Enduring Freedom.

They died May 20, in Tarin Kowt, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked their unit with an improvised explosive device. They were assigned to the 168th Brigade Support Battalion, 214th Fires Brigade, Fort Sill, Okla.

Killed were:

Capt. Jesse A. Ozbat, 28, of, Prince George, Va., and

2nd Lt. Tobias C. Alexander, 30, of Lawton, Okla.
gotti

Desoto, TX

#14 May 26, 2012
he is a crook. Dont trust him. he is why the nation has.crumbled. We our looses are homes,.jobs,.school systems are terrible. Yet he keep sending iraq billions of.dollars. He has cut every program our taxes pay for..not to mention social security..every town is ruined by drugs n pedadiles... U absolutely disgust me.
Lt Brandon J Landrum

Centereach, NY

#15 May 7, 2013
The Department of Defense announced today the death of 1stLt. Brandon J. Landrum, 26, of Lawton, Okla., who was supporting Operation Enduring Freedom. 
1stLt. Brandon J. Landrum died May 4, in Maiwand, Afghanistan, of injuries sustained when his vehicle was attacked by an enemy improvised explosive device. He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 36thInfantry, 1stBrigade Combat Team, 1stArmored Division, Fort Bliss, Texas. 

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