Health Care Debate - Jacksonville, FL

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Do you support President Obama's health care policy?

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“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#790 Sep 17, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong bunker boy. You don't know diddle about a free market, or wall street. If you believe your own BS. Shame on you. I never defined a free market, because there's no such thing. Americans couldn't handle a true free market, and I'm sure you wouldn't like it. I'm aware of the fact some health care has kicked in with a few rules, however its not 100% until 2014. Hold your hate back, you got no proof. You got no proof your ideas work. It's never been done "FOOL".
I may not know diddle about the free market concepts or Wall Street however, I do know how it works and how it requires a balance of components. Those components are consumer, business and yes some government, not as a means to determine the winners and losers but as a balancer.

BTW, it is not your place to define a free market, the concept of a free market is what defines it.

Now, I will agree with you that a majority of Americas could not handle a free market economy neither could a majority of businesses. For that fact the government we have allowed to grow could not handle it either.

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#791 Sep 17, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
<quoted text> What do you want to do, just give up? I got ya, you want to leave it to the free market. We have been "FOOL", look what it got us.
A free market economy sure as heck works better than what we have.

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#792 Sep 17, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
<quoted text>What do you mean customize, I've been doing that for years, where have you been. TV's and Groceries can't compare to moral hazards. Besides it's simple , get insurance. You must have been dealing with bad doctors. My doctors have always treated me as a patient, not some risk management program.
I guess I will have to further simplify this debate, I assumed you were a man of logic. Just to clarify my doctors have always at a personal level treated me very well. Have you ever had a doctor suggest or order test that he did not think was needed but was either required by law of the insurance company for the assumed diagnoses? The medical industry full of wasted test, doctors’ visits and prescriptions simple because doctors are too afraid to tell many (not you and I it sounds like) that request by the patient would be a waste of time and resources. How many of those people take children to the emergency room for a runny nose all because it cost them nothing. We have the one of, if not the best health care in the world the issue is cost?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#795 Oct 2, 2012
Notice to all Seniors:
Are you ready to meet with the Obama-care Death Panel. The obama-care has written in to it that starting 2014, anyone over 65 that has Medicare ,
MUST MEET WITH A GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE COMMITTEE,
WHO WILL OVERSEE YOUR HEALTH CARE, AND TELL YOU WHAT MEDICATIONS YOU CAN OR CAN NOT TAKE, INCLUDING TREATMENTS.
In England, according to the British National Health Services(on their own website www.nhs.uk.com ) that they had Euthanized 130,000 seniors last year.
This is where Obama will be able to add 56 million people on Medicare, including Illegal Immigrants. Check it out for yourself this is no lie!!!!
This is it

Lawrenceville, GA

#797 Oct 2, 2012
I HAVE A NEW ANNOUNCEMENT TO MAKE! Excuse me! It's my pleasure and duty Per E pluribus enum out of many we are one.... The Judge in Pennsylvania just turn down the Nasty Republican voter ID Law! Pennsylvania Will Remain Blue!

I HAVENT DREAM OF NOTHING ELSE FOR YEARS!
NomoreObozo

Jacksonville, FL

#805 Oct 22, 2012
Too many reasons to list
what sense

Massapequa, NY

#806 Oct 22, 2012
Another Lie that Obama told the American people, and the Liberal/socialists ate it up.
WARNNG to Seniors. Death panel for those over 70, thanks to Obamacare:

Mark Levin (WABC radio) receives a telephone call from a NeuroSurgeon, that he was called in to a meeting by the HHS, that if they were called in on an emergency call, and the patient was over 70 years old, they have to wait until the HHS United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)indicates what treatment they can receive.....I guess TV Jerk wasn't called in on that meeting.....lol. All joking aside this is the death panel that we have been warning you Seniors about. Listen to this and make your own mind up, and just maybe it will tell you whom to vote for, keeping in mind yourself and maybe your over 70 year old parents and grand-parents.(The radio station verified the caller was a bon-a-fide NeuroSurgeon)

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
Nancy McCord

Jacksonville, FL

#807 Oct 22, 2012
I am a senior with pre-existing medical conditions. I am shocked at the results of this poll! I am unable to work as a result and have to live and survive on a meager pension and $281.00 of social security. I am a college educated woman who is a physician's daughter. If you oppose Obamacare you are sentencing people like me to misery and/or possible death! Let us love our neighbors as ourselves, as the bible states....and be proud of our president who cares deeply about us.

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#808 Oct 22, 2012
Nancy McCord wrote:
I am a senior with pre-existing medical conditions. I am shocked at the results of this poll! I am unable to work as a result and have to live and survive on a meager pension and $281.00 of social security. I am a college educated woman who is a physician's daughter. If you oppose Obamacare you are sentencing people like me to misery and/or possible death! Let us love our neighbors as ourselves, as the bible states....and be proud of our president who cares deeply about us.
Nancy,
Sorry to hear about your life condition however let me ask you a question.

Would you put a gun to you children’s or grandchildren’s head and force them to pay for your healthcare as a last resort of life? Would you force them to take loans out for your survival? Would you ask or even demand that then give up their entire finical future to maintain yours?

Since you seem like a reasonable person I would suspect you would be so selfish.

I do have one question why is your retirement income only $281.00 and is that per week or month?
TV MAN

United States

#809 Oct 23, 2012
Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
<quoted text>
Nancy,
Sorry to hear about your life condition however let me ask you a question.
Would you put a gun to you children’s or grandchildren’s head and force them to pay for your healthcare as a last resort of life? Would you force them to take loans out for your survival? Would you ask or even demand that then give up their entire finical future to maintain yours?
Since you seem like a reasonable person I would suspect you would be so selfish.
I do have one question why is your retirement income only $281.00 and is that per week or month?
For someone calling themselves logic, you have an absurd way of demonstrating it. The definition of logic : Logic is the study of the principles of correct reasoning. It seems you've missed the logic of insurance. Premiums represent an income stream that protects us against costs we can't afford as individuals. In order for insurance to comply with one's needs it must be capable to meet its operating expenses. Free Markets can't comprehend service without payment. In other words insurance can't effectively
function with fewer and fewer participants. This system works when you have the healthy paying for those that are sick. If one believes they can afford health care without the help of insurance that in itself normally isn't a problem. However, you should consider paying for insurance as an investment for your sick days on this earth. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.If you live long enough, you'll receive all your money and more in return. See you don't get it. You pay so others don't need to pay for you. Freedom of choice concerning health services, can't compare to normal service within a free market system. If you're willing to take the risk of pulling your check book out with any chance of illness, you shouldn't worry about receiving a great return on your insurance premium. The only person that doesn't benefit from insurance, is a taker, or someone that dies without ever experiencing an illness. I don't think that would be a good bet. Pay for your insurance,stop whining, or lose it to the government. Simple is that. Period.
Bruser

Massapequa, NY

#813 Oct 25, 2012
Voice of Reason wrote:
Wednesday, October 24, 2012
What Obama Doesn't Want You to Know About Benghazi
After reading an investigative article by Frank J. Gaffney Jr. with hard on the ground work of Bret Baier and Catherin Herridge at Fox News, Aaron Klein at WND.com and Clare Lopez of RadicalIslam.org . we finally understand what Obama was doing in Benghazi that you aren’t supposed to know.
President Obama didn't want you to know that he through Ambassador Stevens, Saudi and Qatar agents were using this so-called Consulate (it was not a Consulate) as a meeting place to supply and coordinate U.S. arms to the Syrian rebels who are at this time controlled by al Qaeda.
So, in other words with less than two months before a Presidential election the President didn't want to be seen by the world as supplying al Qaeda with arms. It would have and still could be a deal breaker for the American people.
As this story gains legs and more evidence streams out over the internet to Americans more and more are putting the pieces together. Some say this is another Iran-Contra Affair, which I would agree.
In the beginning the supplies to Syria were going to the right rebels but since Obama refused to commit openly and supportively to the rebels with technical and on the ground personal, al Qaeda took over.
So, instead of stopping the shipments al Qaeda continues to get our arms shipments.
This is very confusing isn't it? We have an al Qaeda affiliate in Libya attacking and assassinating one of the guys, Ambassador Stevens that was supplying their guys in Syria.
But, that’s what happens in the “fog of war” one hand sometimes never knows what the other is doing! This whole affair will become very embarrassing the Mr. Obama prior to Election Day, you can be sure of that!–
N.P.Contompasis
(just like the "fast and furious" another idiot idea from the head idiot, Obama, and they do not understand you can not deal with the Al Qaeda)
Do the American people want another 4 years of failed foreign policy(really no policy as Obama has no idea of what to do)
It is like having a 2 year old steer aboat loaded with 100 people aboard, the boat will sink taking with it the hundred of people aboard. The only difference is that Obama has a motor boat to get off the boat as it heads for a crash. You people that voted for Obama the first time, have the excuse that you did not know what he was about, and that he is the worse President we have ever had, but he is one of the Best LIARS the world has ever seen.
If you vote for him a second time, then you are the fools, for he is just doing what LIARS always do.
TV MAN

United States

#814 Oct 25, 2012
Bruser
Massapequa, NY

Obama is God intended.
Bruser

Massapequa, NY

#815 Nov 13, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
Bruser
Massapequa, NY
Obama is God intended.
You keep praying to him, I will pray to Almighty GOD, Father , Son, and the Holy Spirit. Remember pray to Obuma on your death-bed. and see where you wind up!!!!
Shelly

Jacksonville, FL

#819 Feb 2, 2013
TV MAN wrote:
Bruser
Massapequa, NY
Obama is God intended.
Obama is your God ,not anyone with a brains God.
findmeanadvisor

United States

#822 Feb 27, 2013
Well we can ask to authorities to provide us with more details about Obama health care policy and know more and understand it. there are possibilities that it will give us some goo thing......

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#823 Feb 5, 2014
Story form LA times
After overcoming website glitches and long waits to get Obamacare, some patients are now running into frustrating new roadblocks at the doctor's office.
A month into the most sweeping changes to healthcare in half a century, people are having trouble finding doctors at all, getting faulty information on which ones are covered and receiving little help from insurers swamped by new business.
Experts have warned for months that the logjam was inevitable. But the extent of the problems is taking by surprise many patients — and even doctors — as frustrations mount.
Danielle Nelson said Anthem Blue Cross promised half a dozen times that her oncologists would be covered under her new policy. She was diagnosed last year with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and discovered a suspicious lump near her jaw in early January.
But when she went to her oncologist's office, she promptly encountered a bright orange sign saying that Covered California plans are not accepted.
"I'm a complete fan of the Affordable Care Act, but now I can't sleep at night," Nelson said. "I can't imagine this is how President Obama wanted it to happen."
To hold down premiums under the healthcare law, major insurers have sharply cut the number of doctors and hospitals available to patients in the state's new health insurance market.
Now those limited options are becoming clearer, and California officials say they are receiving more consumer complaints about access to medical providers. State lawmakers are also moving swiftly to ease some of the problems that have arisen.
"It's a little early for anyone to know how widespread and deep this problem is," said California Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones. "There are a lot of economic incentives for health insurers to narrow their networks, but if they go too far, people won't have access to care. Network adequacy will be a big issue in 2014."
The latest travails come at a crucial time during the rollout of Obama's signature law. Government exchanges and other supporters of the healthcare law are trying to boost enrollment, particularly among young and healthy people, ahead of a March 31 deadline.
Of course, complaints about outdated provider lists and delays in getting a doctor's appointment were common long before the healthcare law was enacted. But some experts worry the influx of newly insured patients and the cost-cutting strategies of health plans may further strain the system.
Maria Berumen, a tax preparer in Downey, was uninsured for years because of preexisting conditions. The 53-year-old was thrilled to find coverage for herself and her husband for $148 a month after qualifying for a big government subsidy.
She jumped at the chance in early January to visit a primary-care doctor for long-running numbness in her arm and shoulder as a result of bone spurs on her spine. The doctor referred her to a specialist, and problems ensued. At least four doctors wouldn't accept her health plan — even though the state exchange website and her insurer, Health Net Inc., list them as part of her HMO network.
"It's a phantom network," Berumen said.
It was no surprise to her family doctor, Ragaa Iskarous. She has run into this problem repeatedly with other patients in the last month, the doctor said. "This is really driving us crazy."
Berumen said she was seen by a neurosurgeon Thursday — after state regulators intervened on her behalf.
Insurers say they are working hard to resolve customers' problems as they arise, and they continue to add physicians to augment certain geographic areas and medical specialties.
"Any huge implementation like this comes with a lot of moving parts," said Health Net spokesman Brad Kieffer. "There is a learning curve for everyone, and we expect as time goes on these issues should dissipate."
Looking to head off potential problems, government regulators and patient advocates are pushing for tougher rules to ensure health plans provide timely access to care.

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#824 Feb 5, 2014
"I'm a complete fan of the Affordable Care Act, but now I can't sleep at night," Nelson said. "I can't imagine this is how President Obama wanted it to happen."
Well, while it may be a surprise to Mrs. Nelson, to those with any grasp on reality knows this is exactly how President Obama wanted it to happen. People begging for a complete takeover of Healthcare. Create a crisis so you can take advantage of the crisis!

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#825 Feb 26, 2014
Is this the beginning of the Congress to act as our representatives???

I’m sure you have not heard about this in the news but this is almost as big as impeachment, and will go a long way in restoring power to the people.

This week Rep. Tom Rice is mounting a case , HR442, to shut down Obama’s lawless rule by stopping him from making his own laws and ordering government around like he’s a king. If this is adopted, all changes he has made which are outside his authority will be reversed, including the indirect burden he is placing on civilians as well as veterans and their families to make the ACA work. Please send this to everyone you know and have them contact their congressmen about it and request they vote YES to this proposal.





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